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Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

Priorities:

- Find an ace pitcher to be on the front end of the staff. Let Liriano be a #2.
- Replace J.J. Hardy.
- Replace Orlando Hudson if he is retiring or we can find a younger version of him.
- Replace Jason Kubel. Which I am pretty sure I said before this season as well. He is not our #4 guy of the future. Time to cut ties.
- Tell Gardenhire that Division titles are not good enough and he will be fired if they can't get over the hump in the next year. $96 mil should be at least worth an ALCS.
 
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Gotta agree completely on the Kubel topic. It will be tough to get rid of him though, he's one of those "Gardy Guys" who seem to keep getting in the lineup day after day no matter what they do.
 
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You also have to at least look at getting rid of Morneau. He is great when healthy which is almost never. The team seems to do fine without him and it frees up a lot of money for a good #1 starter. I don't think you can really get much for him, But you really need to dump that $15M a year to get a half season out of the guy.

For example,

Justin Morneau-- $15,000,000
Roy Halladay--$15,750,000
Roy Oswalt-- $15,000,000
Cliff Lee--$9,000,000


But I guess it's better than paying Nathan $11.25M for nothing this season. I certainly prefer Capps at $3.25M.
 
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I'll cut Morneau slack when it comes to the concussion. If it was a year or two years ago he wouldn't have sat out the entire second half.

The new concussion awareness (which is good btw) is what kept him out.

But I do agree he needs to go through next season healthy (130+ games) to keep me on board.
 
Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

If $96 million is worth an ALCS, then what is $220 million worth? What about $160 million? $140 million?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
If $96 million is worth an ALCS, then what is $220 million worth? What about $160 million? $140 million?
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If you fail with payrolls that high then you have poor GM skills. You are overpaying guys or you don't have an eye for talent and guys who fit the team chemistry.

World Series or bust when you are in that 150-200+ mil range.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
If you fail with payrolls that high then you have poor GM skills. You are overpaying guys or you don't have an eye for talent and guys who fit the team chemistry.

World Series or bust when you are in that 150-200+ mil range.
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Or, you have a string of injuries to players so important you simply cannot put the team back together (see: Red Sox, Boston).

Again, I'm not trying to say we shouldn't want to win the WS, but this expectation now that we are spending more than then mid-90s is a little insane when other teams are spending $40 million or $60 million more than us or even doubling (and then some) our payroll.

I just think the twins have gotten a bit unlucky in getting the yankees every postseason in the first round. I think we would have beaten any of the other teams. I really do. Sure, we would have had to play the yankees at some point but an ALCS would have been nice.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Or, you have a string of injuries to players so important you simply cannot put the team back together (see: Red Sox, Boston).

Again, I'm not trying to say we shouldn't want to win the WS, but this expectation now that we are spending more than then mid-90s is a little insane when other teams are spending $40 million or $60 million more than us or even doubling (and then some) our payroll.

I just think the twins have gotten a bit unlucky in getting the yankees every postseason in the first round. I think we would have beaten any of the other teams. I really do. Sure, we would have had to play the yankees at some point but an ALCS would have been nice.
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Oakland swept us also during this losing streak. Kind of convenient to forget that.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Oakland swept us also during this losing streak. Kind of convenient to forget that.
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Ok, yes, I did forget that. That wasn't good. But let's not pretend we are better than the yankees.
 
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This team does not like to pay for pitching but has no problem paying Morneau and Mauer $15+ million.

Pavano's an older free agent who's going to command some money too. How much is it going to take to resign Thome? Are Nathan and Morneau going to come back and be productive? Why is Nick Punto still around making $4 million. Why is Delmon Young still in the field?

Paul Konerko will be a free agent and I think Prince Fielder will be too.

I kept hearing Twins officials say this year's team was built to go deep in the playoffs. I'm really sick of this, it's getting old. It was fun eight years ago, now I wonder why they bother trying to win the Central if their season is only going to be extended three games.
 
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Before I turned the game off the stat they had up was 0-13 at the plate with runners in scoring position.

And we're blaming the pitching?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Before I turned the game off the stat they had up was 0-13 at the plate with runners in scoring position.

And we're blaming the pitching?
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So very true. Clutch hitting. If the Twins aren't playing the White Sox, Tigers, Royals, or Indians, they don't have it.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
Oakland swept us also during this losing streak. Kind of convenient to forget that.
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But according to Dick Bremer last night, the Twins were the far superior team in that series.

Also, it was hilarious watching Bremer treat Justin Morneau's projected RBI total like the cost of Gob Bluth's suit. By the end of the night, Morneau was on pace to hit about 180 RBIs this season. I bet Mauer wishes he had shut it down for the season when he had that little injury at the end of the year, rather than having to eat all the **** for his team choking again.
 
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Dear Twins,

Thank you for a spectacular season and a not so much thank you for a shiatacular post season.

At least the Vikings and/or Wild and/or Timberwolves and or Gopher football teams won't let me down. ;)
 
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MaizeRage said:
But according to Dick Bremer last night, the Twins were the far superior team in that series.

Also, it was hilarious watching Bremer treat Justin Morneau's projected RBI total like the cost of Gob Bluth's suit. By the end of the night, Morneau was on pace to hit about 180 RBIs this season. I bet Mauer wishes he had shut it down for the season when he had that little injury at the end of the year, rather than having to eat all the **** for his team choking again.
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It was a good matchup for us, I thought then. Santana v Zito in game one. Morneau hit a HR in 2 of the 3 games. We lost 3-2, 5-2, 8-3 with home field advantage. Really other then Radke in game 3 we had solid starting pitching that series.

Although we did commit 3 errors in game 3.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
If $96 million is worth an ALCS, then what is $220 million worth? What about $160 million? $140 million?
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Tampa Bay made the WS with a payroll around $40 million, they won the East this year with a payroll of around $70 million. Money isnt the problem, coaching and players are the problem.
 
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Handyman said:
Tampa Bay made the WS with a payroll around $40 million, they won the East this year with a payroll of around $70 million. Money isnt the problem, coaching and players are the problem.
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BS. Money is the problem. Are you telling me that a team that spends $220 million is on equal footing with a team that spends $80 million?

There are three things that are important for a player when deciding on a team to play for: Money, money, and money. Without money, you don't get the players.

Tampa Bay is also goiong to lose some of these players to FA when they get what they're actually worth. Just like the Dodgers this year. THey had to dump payroll because resigning a guy like matt kemp isn't going to happen for the same price they are paying him now.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
BS. Money is the problem. Are you telling me that a team that spends $220 million is on equal footing with a team that spends $80 million?

There are three things that are important for a player when deciding on a team to play for: Money, money, and money. Without money, you don't get the players.

Tampa Bay is also goiong to lose some of these players to FA when they get what they're actually worth. Just like the Dodgers this year. THey had to dump payroll because resigning a guy like matt kemp isn't going to happen for the same price they are paying him now.
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You know there are teams like the Cubs, Tigers, White Sox and Mets that totally defeat your money argument. Winning is not purely about your payroll.
 
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JF_Gophers said:
You know there are teams like the Cubs, Tigers, White Sox and Mets that totally defeat your money argument. Winning is not purely about your payroll.
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No, it's not. It's buying the right players AND having a manager competent enough to get them to play with each other.

The twins have the latter. THe other teams the former. And for the record, I never said it was purely about payroll. And it's not entirely exclusive of payroll either like some seem to make it out to be. It's both.
 
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