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Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

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dxmnkd316 said:
No, it's not. It's buying the right players AND having a manager competent enough to get them to play with each other.

The twins have the latter. THe other teams the former. And for the record, I never said it was purely about payroll. And it's not entirely exclusive of payroll either like some seem to make it out to be. It's both.
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You have theoretically the best hitter in baseball on the team, Thome, Kubel, Hudson, and Delmon Young after a FANTASTIC year at the plate.

And they go 0-13 with Runners in Scoring Position against the Yankees in the playoffs.

These guys can't handle the pressure. Plain and simple.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
You have theoretically the best hitter in baseball on the team, Thome, Kubel, Hudson, and Delmon Young after a FANTASTIC year at the plate.

And they go 0-13 with Runners in Scoring Position against the Yankees in the playoffs.

These guys can't handle the pressure. Plain and simple.
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Ok, what do you propose they do about it?
 
Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

dxmnkd316 said:
Ok, what do you propose they do about it?
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I'm not sure there is anything you can do. You don't blow up a team that wins it's division almost every year.

It is what it is.

But, don't blame the manager or the pitching or even the front office when the entire lineup can't hit in the playoffs. Maybe they need a psychologist on staff?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
And we're blaming the pitching?
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While the team failed miserably at clutch hitting, it doesn't change the fact that the pitching staff gave up 5-6 runs per game.

FWIW, MN got two hits with RISP (one hit was a single with a guy on 2nd that did not score a run) last night.
 
Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

dxmnkd316 said:
No, it's not. It's buying the right players AND having a manager competent enough to get them to play with each other.

The twins have the latter. THe other teams the former. And for the record, I never said it was purely about payroll. And it's not entirely exclusive of payroll either like some seem to make it out to be. It's both.
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So we dont have the right players? We didnt back in 06 when we had the MVP, the Cy Young Award Winner and the batting champ? Come on that is ridiculous that team didnt even get beat by the Yanks they got swept by Oakland.

Face it, this team and this manager dont have the intestinal fortitude to handle the pressure when the chips are down. Gardy is to baseball what Marty Shottenheimer or Denny Green was to football...good enough to win before the games have real meaning.

BTW take a gander at Texas' payroll and tell me money matters...just saying. ($55 million)
 
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Handyman said:
So we dont have the right players? We didnt back in 06 when we had the MVP, the Cy Young Award Winner and the batting champ? Come on that is ridiculous that team didnt even get beat by the Yanks they got swept by Oakland.

Face it, this team and this manager dont have the intestinal fortitude to handle the pressure when the chips are down. Gardy is to baseball what Marty Shottenheimer or Denny Green was to football...good enough to win before the games have real meaning.

BTW take a gander at Texas' payroll and tell me money matters...just saying. ($55 million)
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You're complete dismissal of payroll is ridiculous at best

What do you propose we do to fix the team?
 
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There is nothing we can do, we are stuck where we are because the fans would go apecrap if they took a chance.

And I didnt completely dismiss it, I just think it is a crutch people who are satisfied with the teams performance use as an excuse for the team to go nowhere. The team makes plenty of money and spends plenty of money, they spend it on the wrong people but since they win division titles (yawn) they must be pretty good.

Plenty of non-Yankee teams seem to do just fine, it is only the Twins that pee down their leg year in and year out. 1 ALCS appearance in 6 playoff runs is a joke, and in any other town people would be ticked off. (except Atlanta where they dont care about sports especially the Braves) But since the Twins sucked for a decade before this people turn a blind eye. They are just happy they get to watch the games and cheer for Baby Jesus.

Whatever...I am over this :)
 
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Handyman said:
There is nothing we can do, we are stuck where we are because the fans would go apecrap if they took a chance.

And I didnt completely dismiss it, I just think it is a crutch people who are satisfied with the teams performance use as an excuse for the team to go nowhere. The team makes plenty of money and spends plenty of money, they spend it on the wrong people but since they win division titles (yawn) they must be pretty good.

Plenty of non-Yankee teams seem to do just fine, it is only the Twins that pee down their leg year in and year out. 1 ALCS appearance in 6 playoff runs is a joke, and in any other town people would be ticked off. (except Atlanta where they dont care about sports especially the Braves) But since the Twins sucked for a decade before this people turn a blind eye. They are just happy they get to watch the games and cheer for Baby Jesus.
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nice dodge
 
Re: Minnesota Twins Offseason 2010-11: Well, at least we have the outdoor stadium...

What dodge, I admitted there was nothing we can do. The team is just good enough that nothing can be done without risking all of it. So here we are. Yeah dodge indeed :rolleyes:

Personally, I would jettison half the pitching staff, bring in a new bench coach and third base coach, trade Kubel, not sign Punto and see where go from there. (I would have to look at contracts and so on to decide more) Doing all that would cause riots though and you know it.

I would also tell Gardy that it is now time to start winning the games that matter most. The fact that Ozzie has a WS title and we dont is a big problem.

I am not a GM though, or an owner I am just sick of the crutch people use to excuse the Twins when other "cheap" teams do better than them.
 
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You imply that you would get rid of gardy, who do you replace him with?
 
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According to articles earlier in the year (May). Things could of changed since then as far as re-signings during the season.

Free Agents: Carl Pavano, Orlando Hudson, Matt Guerrier, Jesse Crain, Jim Thome.
Arbitration: Slowey, Casilla, Young, Liriano, Neshek, Condrey, Hardy.

- Jason Kubel has a club option year ($5.25m) or a small buyout ($350k).
- Nick Punto has a club option year ($5m) or a small buyout ($500k).

Pay increases coming to Cuddyer, Blackburn and Baker.
 
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I dunno, since I wouldnt do it now technically I wouldnt have to think about that until next year ;)

I can tell you it wouldnt be someone that is a "players coach" I want someone to light a fire under these guys butts. Who that is, honestly I am not sure but I if I had the resources of a GM I probably would :p

Also, to be fair if he didnt put up a fight with the firing of his friends Liddle and Ulger I probably would be more lenient.

edit: I would sign Pavano and Thome, let Guerrier go most likely and have to think about O-Hud and Crain. (see what they want) Buyout Kubel and let him go bye bye.
 
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Handyman said:
I dunno, since I wouldnt do it now technically I wouldnt have to think about that until next year ;)

I can tell you it wouldnt be someone that is a "players coach" I want someone to light a fire under these guys butts. Who that is, honestly I am not sure but I if I had the resources of a GM I probably would :p

Also, to be fair if he didnt put up a fight with the firing of his friends Liddle and Ulger I probably would be more lenient.

edit: I would sign Pavano and Thome, let Guerrier go most likely and have to think about O-Hud and Crain. (see what they want) Buyout Kubel and let him go bye bye.
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Buy out Kubel, and try to resign for cheap.
 
MaizeRage said:
But according to Dick Bremer last night, the Twins were the far superior team in that series.

Also, it was hilarious watching Bremer treat Justin Morneau's projected RBI total like the cost of Gob Bluth's suit. By the end of the night, Morneau was on pace to hit about 180 RBIs this season. I bet Mauer wishes he had shut it down for the season when he had that little injury at the end of the year, rather than having to eat all the **** for his team choking again.
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Jebus crispus you're an angry mofo. I'm sure Bremer is the only homer dope in all of announcing, right?
 
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Well, if we're going to play armchair psychologist, how about if the problem is Minnesota is the kind of place where certain people can feel free to do their jobs without fear of firing, being booed, etc. And that leads to teams that pretty much get along, and do pretty well. But to get to the really highest level of play, you need something more than that, and something not so nice.

The two examples that jump to mind are 1) Pavano -- I think a big reason why he's done well here is that the fans -- and the players, I'd have to think -- let him do his job, and don't throw him under the bus after one or two shaky appearances, and 2) Kent Hrbek -- I've always hated Kent Hrbek, and it all stems from pulling Ron Gant off the bag and then playing like the little ***** kid we all knew growing up who doesn't know what you're talking about. That's a d!ck move to me. But I have to admit, he knew how to win when it mattered.

I know those aren't great examples -- Pavano's pitched great in the playoffs for us. But I agree with Handyman (unless I'm misreading you) -- I don't think you can have both. So I don't know if there is a solution. It seems like most teams are either Kansas City/Seattle/Pittsburgh (almost always sucking though probably a nice place to see a game) or Mets/Phillies/Dodgers (almost always spending buckets and buckets and still having nasty and grumpy fans). And we've got this tenuous in-between. I dunno. I'm keeping my season tickets. I'm a masochist, I guess. :p
 
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Slap Shot said:
Jebus crispus you're an angry mofo. I'm sure Bremer is the only homer dope in all of announcing, right?
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Hawk, Darling, and the entire Yankee staff retired?
 
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