Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

[The Rube]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

That's batting average (of which they are 4th in the AL) and not average with RISP. AVE with RISP is not kept, however the Twins despite being 2nd in TPA are 5th in R while both NY and TB get more usage out of their TPA than MN (1st in R but only 4th in TPA while TB is 3rd in R but only 6th in TPA). In addition MN is 5th in the AL in OPS, 5th in TB and 8th in HR.

I am not sure why pointing such staticstics out gets some people in such a frenzy. I am not saying the season is over, but some of us believe that they need to improve if they plan to advance past the best teams in the AL, despite the fact that on occasion teams rise past such statistics in the post-season. Is it really that unreasonable to be unsatisfied with their RISP and bring it up? The OMG YOUER DUM! reactions are far more off the mark than being concerned that this could bite them in the arse in the post-season.

I still hold out that the law of averages will work this out by the end of the season, but it's unquestionably reasonable to talk about it.

And many of us are saying that just because we beat the Brewers "only by a run in extra innings" doesn't mean that the NYY will beat us in the playoffs.

Yes, there are concerns, but let's not write them off quite yet. I'm with ya on the "it'll work itself out" thoughts.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

That's batting average (of which they are 4th in the AL) and not average with RISP. AVE with RISP is not kept, however the Twins despite being 2nd in TPA are 5th in R while both NY and TB get more usage out of their TPA than MN (1st in R but only 4th in TPA while TB is 3rd in R but only 6th in TPA). In addition MN is 5th in the AL in OPS, 5th in TB and 8th in HR.

I am not sure why pointing such staticstics out gets some people in such a frenzy. I am not saying the season is over, but some of us believe that they need to improve if they plan to advance past the best teams in the AL, despite the fact that on occasion teams rise past such statistics in the post-season. Is it really that bizarre to be unsatisfied with their RISP and bring it up? The OMG YOUER DUM! reactions are far more off the mark than being concerned that this could bite them in the arse in the post-season.

I still hold out that the law of averages will work this out by the end of the season, but it's unquestionably reasonable to talk about it.

Huh? What are you talking about? That's what a split is. It takes a situation, and calculates the teams respective stats in that situation. That is their AVG w/ RISP.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

And many of us are saying that just because we beat the Brewers "only by a run in extra innings" doesn't mean that the NYY will beat us in the playoffs. .

Let's not obfuscate the points here. I think their record against NYY and TOR speaks for itself, and that what NYY and TB do with their TPA as compared to the Twins is presently a cause for concern.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

Huh? What are you talking about? That's what a split is. It takes a situation, and calculates the teams respective stats in that situation. That is their AVG w/ RISP.

I know what a split is, but that is total batting AVE, not AWRISP. That stat IS NOT KEPT.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

I know what a split is, but that is total batting AVE, not AWRISP. That stat IS NOT KEPT. Dear Parise.

It sure as hell is. Pick the split with bases loaded. It drops down to .177.

OMFG!! IT CHANGED!

 

[Bakunin]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

I still hold out that the law of averages will work this out by the end of the season, but it's unquestionably reasonable to talk about it.

If the guys coming up to hit w/ RISP are the team's worst hitters, that would explain a lot about the inability to produce. In today's game, Harris was 0-4 and Kubel was 1-5. Many of those at-bats occurred with guys on base, and both of them are hitting around .200 (in fairness to Harris, he hasn't had regular playing time this season; Kubel has no excuse as the regular DH).

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

It sure as hell is. Pick the split with bases loaded. It drops down to .177.

OMFG!! IT CHANGED!

I didn't notice the tab at the top - either way they are behind both the TB and NYY which is my point all along. Not that the season is over, but they have work to do if they are to be expected to compete in the playoffs.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

I didn't notice the tab at the top - either way they are behind both the TB and NYY which is my point all along. Not that the season is over, but they have work to do if they are to be expected to compete in the playoffs.

They're behind NYY by .002. They're behind the best team in baseball by .021. This is absurd. Look, it warrants discussion I agree. But let's not blow it out of proportion.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

They're behind NYY by .002. They're behind the best team in baseball by .021. This is absurd. Look, it warrants discussion I agree. But let's not blow it out of proportion.

I bet that table thingy doesn't take the GRIT factor into account.

 

[Slap Shot]

They're behind NYY by .002. They're behind the best team in baseball by .021. This is absurd.

And both those teams do better with R from TPA while the TWINS drop in rank in R as compared to TPA. The fact is those teams do more with less than MIN and there's nothing absurd about it.

 

[Bakunin]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

What amazes me is the Twins have scored the second most runs with the bases loaded - despite hitting .177 w/ an OBP of .241.

I think part of the problem is many of the walks/hits with RISP are being wasted because that simply loads the bases - and we all know what happens in that situation (ahem, we just witnessed it a few minutes ago).

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

And both those teams do better with R from TPA while the TWINS drop in rank in R as compared to TPA. The fact is those teams do more with less than MIN and there's nothing absurd about it.

Actually, you're partially wrong on that account as well. The yankees lead the league in R/TPA overall. The Rays are 4th and the twins are 10th.

With RISP, the yankees drop down to 5th, the Rays do move up to 2nd, and the twins move down to 13th. The yankees drop even further than the twins do.

In terms of raw numbers, the twins increase their production by 263% with RISP (good for 26th in the majors) while the yankees increase their production 259% (good for last). Now, this partially has to do with the fact that the yankees already produce the most runs per AB.

So the twins actually IMPROVE with RISP more-so than the yankees.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

I wonder if the odds on the Twins just dropped significantly because they lost to the Brewers...if so maybe I should make a bet or two!

It was a good season guys...I say trade Mauer because we can't win!

We need those Chinese groundcrew guys from Major League to tell us what they think of this team

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

Assuming a likely 2-4 finish the next 2 home series that puts us on pace for 91 wins.

Thankfully we are in the Central where 91 gets you a playoff (either 163 or real).

 

[sagard]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

What amazes me is the Twins have scored the second most runs with the bases loaded - despite hitting .177 w/ an OBP of .241.

I think part of the problem is many of the walks/hits with RISP are being wasted because that simply loads the bases - and we all know what happens in that situation (ahem, we just witnessed it a few minutes ago).

Bottom line is the most IMPORTANT thing a player can do to help his team score runs is to get on base. The hits will eventually come. Hopefully this season, although we may have used all our clutch hits a couple years ago.

The Twins as a team are doing a great job getting on and will eventually start knocking guys in. This is despite some of the usual suspects and Kubel not playing very well yet.

Would have been nice to sweep that bunch of dogs we played this weekend.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

I wonder if the odds on the Twins just dropped significantly because they lost to the Brewers...if so maybe I should make a bet or two!

It was a good season guys...I say trade Mauer because we can't win!

We need those Chinese groundcrew guys from Major League to tell us what they think of this team

THELMA:You see the new lineup the Indians got?
BOBBY: I never heard of most of 'em.


BUSINESS EXECUTIVE: I don't know the majority of these names.


LONGSHOREMAN: Who are these f*in' guys?


GROUNDSKEEPER: 그들은 참담하다. (They're sh*y.)

 

[Dude Love]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

That's two games in a row where Gardy has PH Thome with 1st base open. Everyone in the universe knew the Brewers would intentionally walk Thome to get to whatever smallball loser was hitting next. Completely brainless.

 

[pgrass01]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

That's two games in a row where Gardy has PH Thome with 1st base open. Everyone in the universe knew the Brewers would intentionally walk Thome to get to whatever smallball loser was hitting next. Completely brainless.

In the Sunday game, first base was not open. So a walk to Thome moves the winning run (Young) into scoring position and forces the Brewers to throw strikes to Plouffe. If they didn't pinch hit Thome, they would have pitched to Harris, most likely not a great matchup. Unfortunately, they had no other options off the bench.

 

[Slap Shot]

Actually, you're partially wrong on that account as well.

The yankees lead the league in R/TPA overall. The Rays are 4th and the twins are 10th.

Your second part is what I've been referring to all along. The fact is they both get more out of their PA than MN. Of course, unlike Handy you seem capable of recognizing I've not even remotely said the season is over and expect the law of averages to work their way through by the end of the season, but that doesn't mean it's not something to watch as time goes by.

 

[Dude Love]

Re: Minnesota Twins 2010: Part II - The Franchise Strikes Back

You people do realize that there are only two teams in baseball (Tampa and Philly) with a better record than the Twins? I'm not even entertained anymore by your whining using all your stupid little numbers and statistics.