THat's been my exact sentiment. The wider that gap gets, the less likely you're going to see a school outside of the Blue Bloods can rise up. I get that we aren't going to be a destination the way WI, MN, or MI are, but the deck is being stacked against us more and more each year.
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THat's been my exact sentiment. The wider that gap gets, the less likely you're going to see a school outside of the Blue Bloods can rise up. I get that we aren't going to be a destination the way WI, MN, or MI are, but the deck is being stacked against us more and more each year.
Eddie Schorr
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I think we're entering an era where a B1G school can poach a coach from a North Dakota or Boston College if they really want to. We're not there yet, but that billion dollars that the three networks are trucking towards the B1G is on its way. As a B1G fan, I'm not saying that to gloat. I'm saying it because it's an unfortunate development and not one that's good for college hockey.
TalonsUpPuckDown
Roll along you BG Warriors!
Try being a MAC football school where not only does a P5 school pay an assistant more than your head coach makes, it's multiples higher. MAC schools used to hire a lot of P5 assistants as head coaches. Those days are in the rear view mirror now. Ettu CCHA?
I know a lot of people are rubbed the wrong way by him, but Wodon had a fantastic thread about this a few weeks ago when it comes to paying players and how so many people are so worried about the top 5% of college athletics that they forget about the other 95%. I'm not going to get into the pros and cons of money coming into college athletics, but I really wish people would go into it with their eyes open. Paying top end players of the big 2 sports is going to necessarily mean that the rest of the athletic departments are going to be depleted. This is going to happen in 2 ways. First, the Olympic sports are going to be the first ones affected within each school's own athletic department as the money they used for scholarships is going to be eaten up by pay. Second, smaller schools aren't going to be able to pay athletes, so a player is going to obviously go where the money is.
The same can be said of this arms race in coaching. There are literally 6 schools with hockey teams in the country whose athletic departments are getting payments from TV rights that are literally bigger than the budget of entire athletic departments. We can't possibly keep up with that kind of money. I don't necessarily blame those schools for taking advantage of it, but as a fan, be careful what you wish for. At what point do smaller schools just give up and say "we can't compete, we're closing up shop on sports"? I know this sounds doomsdayish, but this situation is tough. It's the basketball equivalent of Mark Few leaving Gonzaga after getting everything he needed to compete in a small conferenece, building it up for 10+ years and then leaving because he gets an offer that he can't refuse.
Puckstopper467
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Honestly I have been thinking about this one, Hastings has made Mankato a destination for higher profile players. I think Minnesota State needs to invest and go out and get a big name coach or someone like Michigan State did that will be a guy that Players want to play for and will pass on other schools to come in. This is not an easy thing, however with the crowds in Mankato the school needs to find the $.. If this was 2 years ago, Rico would have been a great choice. Hastings got a great deal and not too many schools can pay that much, but for Minnesota State go high get the name that can bring in the players.
I think you have to go with Knott. Has earned it plus he has been more influential in the Mavs run then ppl are giving him credit for. Most recruited players I believe will stay if he stays. A lot of uncertainty right now and this will only test the program.
I will say I'm shocked in Hastings leaving for Wisconsin. If Granato couldn't turn them around i wonder how it will go for him there. I'm wishing him all the best for sure though
TalonsUpPuckDown
Roll along you BG Warriors!
When Bergeron moved on, the continuity thing came into play with the new hire at BG. We did not lose any players during the transition and we've lost maybe three unplanned guys to the portal since then. That is a big deal during a transition such as this. I also think you should go with Knott.
I think Hastings is going to knock it out of the park, scoop and score, and drain the three in Madison. If you've been reading the Wisconsin threads for the past three years, Granato is not in Hastings league. I would not be surprised to see the Domers trend towards the bottom of the standings going forward.
giwan
Really??!!
I think the question is does Knott want to stay or is Hastings interested in bringing him along???
Lost_Husky
Late to the Party
Hockey is in a unique spot. In the Big 2 sports, more than one conference exists to compete against. In hockey, there are 6 with the TV deal money. At what point does the 90% of D1 hockey say to the B1G thanks but no thanks?
Something is going to have to give because I can't see the liked of BU, BC, Denver, and NoDak sitting on their hands and letting the B1G lower them to second class programs. Something is going to have to give.
Completely agree with you. Knott not only deserves the opportunity, but he's our best hope to maintain the program. It's no secret that he's responsible for recruiting the kind of players that brought the program to national prominence.
Iwearpurple
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Knott turns down offer to be head coach. Looks like he will follow Hastings to Wisconsin.
mnstate0fhockey
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Seems dark now, but it will be ok. They built the program into a destination. They will hire another good coach. Knott seems to remind me a lot of Steve Miller. Both guys that probably could be head coaches, but I think both relish their assistant/recruiting roles. And he’ll get paid a lot more as an assistant at UW than as an assistant at Mankato, and have a boss he is familiar and comfortable with. Perhaps you guys land a coach that finally gets you over the hump and in 5 years you look back at this with a completely different perspective.
Dude....stop with the platitudes. Its.as bad as.michaleti talking this up as "good for college hockey". This sucks for college hockey. Let's call this what it is...
This is a further divide between the haves and the have nots. This is good for wisconsin and for the big ten. If someone can can get paid more as an assistant than a head coach at a.program that is arguably one of the.most successful.programs for the.past 10.years, that not good. This isn't college football where there is competition around the country. This is 7 schools that can buy their way.out of mediocrity.
Even if we hire the next Mike Hastings, this I a HORRIBLE development for college hockey because it shows its no different than college football and college basketball. The playing field is so uneven that it's damn near impossible to compete.
The "it's gonna be ok" garbage is worthless drivel.
This is a further divide between the haves and the have nots. This is good for wisconsin and for the big ten. If someone can can get paid more as an assistant than a head coach at a.program that is arguably one of the.most successful.programs for the.past 10.years, that not good. This isn't college football where there is competition around the country. This is 7 schools that can buy their way.out of mediocrity.
Even if we hire the next Mike Hastings, this I a HORRIBLE development for college hockey because it shows its no different than college football and college basketball. The playing field is so uneven that it's damn near impossible to compete.
The "it's gonna be ok" garbage is worthless drivel.
mnstate0fhockey
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Just trying to be nice man. No reason to take your anger out on me. I had nothing to do with this.
mnstate0fhockey
New member
And FYI - Hastings made $320K as MSU’s head coach. Wisconsin was paying it’s assistants like Osieki $220K before getting let go. And that was before colleges could add a paid assistant position next season. There is ZERO evidence Knott chose to leave to get paid more as an assistant than he would as MSU’s head coach.
You're right you didnt. I'm kinda amused by people that don't care about our program and were celebrating our coach leaving because it's "good for college hockey" and proclaiming it all over online and on the radio then telling us all its going to be ok. Frankly, thats pretty hollow.
Most of us remember the 90s and 2000s of getting our asses kicked on a weekly basis and are worried this is going to send us back there. If we don't lose at least 5 current players and 3-4 recruits this week, I'll be surprised.
Of course maybe I need to check my attitude and sign off for a few days. Ive done a good job of that for the last year. I probably need to go back.
Most of us remember the 90s and 2000s of getting our asses kicked on a weekly basis and are worried this is going to send us back there. If we don't lose at least 5 current players and 3-4 recruits this week, I'll be surprised.
Of course maybe I need to check my attitude and sign off for a few days. Ive done a good job of that for the last year. I probably need to go back.
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mnstate0fhockey
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You aren’t my favorite program (Gophers), but my cousin played for your program. I don’t not care.
He and buisman said as much in the press release.
mnstate0fhockey
New member
I wonder what Minnesota State was prepared to pay him and what he was offered at Wisconsin. That would stun me if Wisconsin dished out that much more for assistants than Minnesota and Michigan.