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Minnesota State 2022-23: Life After McKay

njmav1 said:
The problem with Miami as I see it is that they don't bring anything to the CCHA other than getting the number of schools to an even number. The CCHA won't suddenly have an automatic second bid with Miami. Western Michigan gives the conference a better shot at that.
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I think BGSU would disagree. It would give BG an arch-rival and like minded athletic (MAC) school. From a league office standpoint, Miami seems to offer more than Augustana.

For the almost automatic 2nd bid, it doesn't matter who we pick up, if the CCHA keeps a losing NC record, they will keep being only an autobid league.
 
Lost_Husky said:
I think BGSU would disagree. It would give BG an arch-rival and like minded athletic (MAC) school. From a league office standpoint, Miami seems to offer more than Augustana.

For the almost automatic 2nd bid, it doesn't matter who we pick up, if the CCHA keeps a losing NC record, they will keep being only an autobid league.
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As much as I enjoy seeing Miami State struggle, I have to grudgingly admit they would be a boost to the CCHA. Until the Tommies finish their arena, Goggin would outshine every facility in the league. That place is a palace and it would not take Bergeron long to make them competitive which would be a very good thing for all of us. LH is right, no team off the street makes us a 2-bid conference, but Miami moves the needle a ton more than Augustana. The arch-rival thing with BG is more of an add on bonus than a valid reason. I agree with the like-minded MAC thing to a point, but honestly I think that gets way overplayed. BG's loyalty lies more with the league than with some AD down in Oxford. Deciding on whether to offer MAC membership to Western Kentucky is a different animal than offering CCHA membership to Lindenwood.

Augustana brings nothing to the table. I still don't get why Lucia made that deal. Whatever. It's done. Welcome Vikings, I guess.
 
TalonsUpPuckDown said:
As much as I enjoy seeing Miami State struggle, I have to grudgingly admit they would be a boost to the CCHA. Until the Tommies finish their arena, Goggin would outshine every facility in the league. That place is a palace and it would not take Bergeron long to make them competitive which would be a very good thing for all of us. LH is right, no team off the street makes us a 2-bid conference, but Miami moves the needle a ton more than Augustana. The arch-rival thing with BG is more of an add on bonus than a valid reason. I agree with the like-minded MAC thing to a point, but honestly I think that gets way overplayed. BG's loyalty lies more with the league than with some AD down in Oxford. Deciding on whether to offer MAC membership to Western Kentucky is a different animal than offering CCHA membership to Lindenwood.

Augustana brings nothing to the table. I still don't get why Lucia made that deal. Whatever. It's done. Welcome Vikings, I guess.
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I get you. But I just don't get the assumption that Miami automatically thrives in the new CCHA.
 
TalonsUpPuckDown said:
As much as I enjoy seeing Miami State struggle, I have to grudgingly admit they would be a boost to the CCHA. Until the Tommies finish their arena, Goggin would outshine every facility in the league. That place is a palace and it would not take Bergeron long to make them competitive which would be a very good thing for all of us. LH is right, no team off the street makes us a 2-bid conference, but Miami moves the needle a ton more than Augustana. The arch-rival thing with BG is more of an add on bonus than a valid reason. I agree with the like-minded MAC thing to a point, but honestly I think that gets way overplayed. BG's loyalty lies more with the league than with some AD down in Oxford. Deciding on whether to offer MAC membership to Western Kentucky is a different animal than offering CCHA membership to Lindenwood.

Augustana brings nothing to the table. I still don't get why Lucia made that deal. Whatever. It's done. Welcome Vikings, I guess.
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If this were a debate between Miami & Auggie, I'd see your point. But it's not. It's between Miami, ASU & Lindenwood. I too don't understand why Auggie was fast tracked.

I can see Miami as better than Lindenwood, but would rather have ASU. If I were running it, I'd be fine staying pat with eight.
 
njmav1 said:
I get you. But I just don't get the assumption that Miami automatically thrives in the new CCHA.
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If you take the current Miami team and drop it into the CCHA, they would be fighting for home ice instead of an NCHC cellar dweller. Just a gut feeling, but I don't think their recruit talent would significantly drop with their campus/school/facilities.

I too would prefer ASU in the CCHA, but I don't think ASU wants anything to do with the CCHA. No offense to Lindenwood, I see them in a similar tier as Augustana. Lindenwood at least has an arena and hockey program. Major drawback, location.

Sadly, the only way I see Miami joining the CCHA is if the Summit League schools decide to form their own league.
 
Why is all this going on in the Minnesota State season thread? Take it to the CCHA conference thread.
 
beaverhockeyfan said:
Did anyone else get the feeling from the Miami statements that if ASU is added to the NCHC, it may be the straw that breaks Miami and they leave the NCHC?
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I had two observations. First, the unmitigated gall of a school that's been the conference's bottom feeder gimp for eight years to start making demands to the rest of the conference was pretty funny. Second, they're too smug to leave with their tail between their legs, so this might be the public relations set up to bail not because they couldn't compete but under some b.s. cover of having been mistreated.

Also, the notion of Miami coming in and immediately being a top-tier CCHA school I think is wrong. Remember that amazing run they had from 2004-2014 was not their historical norm. For a quarter century before that, they were a complete non-entity on the national hockey scene with year after year of mediocrity or worse. The argument is pretty strong that the current state of their program is a return to their historical norm rather than a deviation from it. I think they'd do better, but in no way are they going to be a dominant CCHA program.
 
njmav1 said:
I get you. But I just don't get the assumption that Miami automatically thrives in the new CCHA.
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I think their current coach knows how to compete in this league. Notice I said compete and not win as I refer to two extra attacker goals and an OT loss.

And I waited for this conversation to jump to the CCHA thread before diving in, it just never did. Apologies and thanks to the Mavs faithful for hosting.
 
moose97 said:
If this were a debate between Miami & Auggie, I'd see your point. But it's not. It's between Miami, ASU & Lindenwood. I too don't understand why Auggie was fast tracked.

I can see Miami as better than Lindenwood, but would rather have ASU. If I were running it, I'd be fine staying pat with eight.
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Given the choice as you lay it out I'd prefer Miami over ASU but I'm not crazy passionate about it and would be perfectly fine if it went your way. I'm sensing we can agree neither Miami nor ASU = Auggie or Lindenwood. My true preference is that we would have stayed at 8.
 
purpleinnebraska said:
Ok, I screwed that up. There are 2 bars in the Hyatt, 1 on ground level, and one roof top, accessible only by room key. We went to the roof, and only realized later you couldn't get there. If you're at the Game this coming Saturday against Lake State, come to section 215, Row J, seat 9 and I'll buy you a beer!
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Hey PIN wanted to get back to you after our near-miss at the Hyatt in Tempe last Friday. I was in the downstairs bar there until about 6:05 pm and then wandered over to the Mullet. Sorry I didn't realize there were two bars there.

I'm not at the game this weekend so you'll have to have a beer in my behalf. I live 150 miles from Mankato (in Wisconsin) and only get to a few games a year. After blowing my hockey travel budget in Phoenix, I might not get over there until the playoffs.

I'll look for you on the Flo TV broadcast tonight. Wear something purple and wave using your left arm.

Regards
 
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One thing is clear regarding Miami vs ASU in CCHA 2.0- we'd all prefer to have stayed at 8.

Apologies in advance to Augie fans.
 
njmav1 said:
One thing is clear regarding Miami vs ASU in CCHA 2.0- we'd all prefer to have stayed at 8.

Apologies in advance to Augie fans.
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I really don't understand what the rush was to admit them before even starting. Seems even more over aggressive with the uncertainty around Miami, ASU apparently poking around and all the other independents likely seeking a spot. Not that more shuffling can't happen, just seemed premature.
 
Do mods even exist on this board? Either move all the hijacks to one of the conference threads, or please close this MSU thread and let me start a new one that's actually about the MSU season.
 
MavsFan said:
Do mods even exist on this board? Either move all the hijacks to one of the conference threads, or please close this MSU thread and let me start a new one that's actually about the MSU season.
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1) no, there aren't. 2) this is an organic discussion off of the mention that YOUR radio announcers said Lucia was at the ASU series. 3) this discussion will run its course in due time. 4) Zero legitimate MSU discussion has been missed while this is going on. 5) simmer down.
 
So many questions after this weekend: Am I a bad fan for being disappointed with taking 5 of 6 points? Why can't we score goals at home? Are there any linesmen who just drop the puck and get out of the way? Did anyone else think the best part of this whole weekend was no replay reviews?
 
purpleinnebraska said:
So many questions after this weekend: Am I a bad fan for being disappointed with taking 5 of 6 points? Why can't we score goals at home? Are there any linesmen who just drop the puck and get out of the way? Did anyone else think the best part of this whole weekend was no replay reviews?
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Given the roster turn over, I'd say we're lucky to be where we are. If this is what rebuilding looks like, I'll take it. I'd like to make the tournament and at least get to the regional final. Anything beyond that is a bonus.
 
Nice workmanlike performance by the Mavs this weekend. They looked confident and solid in all phases. I didn't see any of the mistakes that cost them dearly in the first half of the season. I'm feeling a lot better about this team, hoping they can keep it going. NCAA tournament bid looking more realistic now.
 
Double Major said:
Nice workmanlike performance by the Mavs this weekend. They looked confident and solid in all phases. I didn't see any of the mistakes that cost them dearly in the first half of the season. I'm feeling a lot better about this team, hoping they can keep it going. NCAA tournament bid looking more realistic now.
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With departures and injuries forcing some freshmen to jump right in, I'd say they've settled in nicely.
 
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