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Minnesota State 2021-22 Meet the new conference- same as the old conference
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John J. MacInnes
Coach Emeritus
He all but wins it by default now that your Eastern golden boys have taken themselves out of the running. Levi singlehandedly gave WMU their first win ever in a tournament, and Perets is showing his numbers are strictly because he plays in a sh** conference.
moose97
New member
The voting was last Monday, hence the, "it doesn't," part of my comment
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MavHockey14
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It’s comical there are people out there who don’t think Dryden McKay is the best goaltender in NCAA hockey, but I digress. We’ll just enjoy the Frozen Four trip and hope we can take the next step as a program with a win over the rodents.
Amazing to think this program is going back to its second straight Frozen Four. An incredible investment into the program and a home run hire of Mike Hastings allowed this program to become one of the nation’s best. Now it’s time to take the next step.
See you guys in Boston!
Amazing to think this program is going back to its second straight Frozen Four. An incredible investment into the program and a home run hire of Mike Hastings allowed this program to become one of the nation’s best. Now it’s time to take the next step.
See you guys in Boston!
moose97
New member
It's comical that you think having 200+ fewer saves & at the same time, a worse save% makes said goalie "the best"
maverick2009
New member
So..... looking back at the records/schedule of the final 4 teams:
In January - March (excluding the NCAA tournament) - here are the records for each team:
UofMinn: 15-4
Michigan: 15-3
Denver: 15-4-1
Minnesota State: 18-1
Looking a little further back, The mavericks were an astonishing 25-1 since November 27th. All of those games were vs CCHA except 4 (duluth and AZ St) and the mavs were 4-0 in those games.
This is an unreal streak. Our record is impressive, but even more impressive if you look at the recent months.
In January - March (excluding the NCAA tournament) - here are the records for each team:
UofMinn: 15-4
Michigan: 15-3
Denver: 15-4-1
Minnesota State: 18-1
Looking a little further back, The mavericks were an astonishing 25-1 since November 27th. All of those games were vs CCHA except 4 (duluth and AZ St) and the mavs were 4-0 in those games.
This is an unreal streak. Our record is impressive, but even more impressive if you look at the recent months.
This is the correct take. And I am not even ranking guys here because I haven't seen enough of the finalists. But the numbers do not add up to McKay being clear favorite.
TalonsUpPuckDown
Roll along you BG Warriors!
The BG nation is glad we could help :-/
purpleinnebraska
Well-known member
So who has the better save% matters this year, but didn't matter in 2020, when McKay had better numbers across the board than Swayman? The goal posts seem to move a lot in this game.
moose97
New member
Lol. The sv% was essentially the same (0.939 to 0.942) & again, Swayman had over 300 additional saves (761 to 1099). McKay faced nearly 25% fewer shots this year than Levi & over 30% fewer than Swayman in '20. Get a clue.
When did I say anything about Jeremy Swayman?
purpleinnebraska
Well-known member
Let me explain math to you. I'll try to dumb it down, but I can only do so much. Saves are part of the equation of figuring out save %. Goals allowed also count. So if you have a lot more saves, but a lower save %, that means you gave up a lot more goals. And when you give up more goals, your team has a reduced chance of winning.
Simple enough for you?
purpleinnebraska
Well-known member
Don't know whether you ever did. I do remember that we were told in 2020 that there was more to it than stats. There were "quality saves," which were never defined, and there was "Where would his team be without him?" (Don't know how you quantify that, but where they were WITH him was behind us in the Pairwise, and behind other teams in his own conference).
None of this is a knock on Swayman, by the way. He had a perfectly fine season. But the award certainly wasn't based on stats. But now, 2 years later, we're told that the ONLY thing that matters is stats, and Levi and Perets have better ones. You can understand why we're struggling a little bit with buying the arguments now.
bruinsfan11
Member
Can you dumb it down farther than Swayman plays for the Bruins and Dryden McKay will be a career AHL/Euro League goalie???
moose97
New member
Good gravy. Sure, let's rehash 2020. Sure, Swayman allowed more goals but he also saw a ton more shots against per game. Maine only scored 3.62 gpg while allowing 3.21 gpg. Mankato, meanwhile. scored 4.03 while allowing 1.47 (hhm, sounds awfully familiar to this year's 2.55 gpg scoring & 1.67 against for Northeastern & Mankato's 4.08 vs 1.28). Now, while facing a significant amount of more shots, Swayman had to put up essentially identical numbers to McKay, otherwise Maine would have basically lost EVERY SINGLE FUDGING GAME. Just like Levi this year. Mankato doesn't NEED McKay. Maine NEEDED Swayman. Northeastern NEEDED Levi. Seriously. Stop embarrassing yourself
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moose97
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Final thing. The Richter is not for the "best" goalie, it is for the "most outstanding" (directly from the Richter website). Clearly, those who vote have placed an emphasis on a goalie making a difference in helping their team win. You don't have to like it, but thems the facts. Nothing stopping you guys from creating your own goalie of the year award out of spite. Hell, the Richter is only 8 years old. Not like it has some magical history behind it
To be clear, I haven't seen any of these guys enough to know who is better. I just have a hard time looking past what Levi did on a clearly inferior team compared to Minnesota State/Quinnipiac.
I mean, that has exactly nothing to do with a college award.
I think that's kind of the rub. Dryden has had 4 years of top echelon goalie play, but it gets discousted because he's got a good team around him. It's impossible to come up with a stat that shows how defenseman are able to activate more in the offensive end or the lack of second chances he gives up. Dryden is underappreciated outside of the CCHA. The number of shots that a team gives up is the deciding factor in this award. He's legitimately an historical goalie in the context of wins, shutouts, gaa, and sace percentage, but it's not recognized because he's got a good team around him.
That's not to take anything away from Swayman, LaFontaine or Levi (who I am presuming will win). It's just the perspective of one mankato fan.
It's not an easy thing for voters to vote on. There are three outstanding candidates. Maybe voters vote McKay this time as it's his last shot. I don't know. They could rename it the McKay award for all I care as recognition for a career achievement. It's sorta like the stunning lack of Penrose awards for Jerry York. I have nothing against McKay but the quality of team around you should be a factor.