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Minnesota Gopher women's hockey off season thread for summer 2014

Re: Minnesota Gopher women's hockey off season thread for summer 2014

The prediction I feel safest making for this coming year is that you will not see Leveille playing all but ~3 periods this coming year.
 
Re: Minnesota Gopher women's hockey off season thread for summer 2014

The prediction I feel safest making for this coming year is that you will not see Leveille playing all but ~3 periods this coming year.

Trying to track with this statement...you're saying that Leveille will be playing most of the time or sitting most of the time?
 
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Trying to track with this statement...you're saying that Leveille will be playing most of the time or sitting most of the time?

those are my only choices?
I'll go with she plays most of the time.
 
Trying to track with this statement...you're saying that Leveille will be playing most of the time or sitting most of the time?
Leveille played almost all of the time last year. The assumption is that Peters will get more minutes than Sletta did.
 
Re: Minnesota Gopher women's hockey off season thread for summer 2014

Leveille played almost all of the time last year. The assumption is that Peters will get more minutes than Sletta did.

the assumption is that you need your goalie to be at her best come tournament time

North Dakota 1/4 final
BC semi

beating the WCHA #5 team 10-0 is meaningless
 
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the assumption is that you need your goalie to be at her best come tournament time

North Dakota 1/4 final
BC semi

beating the WCHA #5 team 10-0 is meaningless

You're making even less sense than usual though I guess not being able to figure out what you intended to mean is a sort of improvement.
 
Re: Minnesota Gopher women's hockey off season thread for summer 2014

the assumption is that you need your goalie to be at her best come tournament time

North Dakota 1/4 final
BC semi

beating the WCHA #5 team 10-0 is meaningless
You're making even less sense than usual though I guess not being able to figure out what you intended to mean is a sort of improvement.
I know that I'm playing with fire trying to interpret pokechecker's post. I was initially going to reply that the post was so 2013. :p

After re-reading it though, I now believe that pokechecker's point was that it was Noora's efforts that got the team those wins.

I don't necessarily agree because someone else had to score the game-winning goal each time. But I will agree that having hot goaltending come tournament time is a bonus.

I'm not sure where/how the comment about #5 WCHA team comes into play. Bemidji State was the #6 team (OSU was #5), and the 10-0 victory was three weeks before the 2014 playoffs -- the conference playoffs -- began. Reference to Leveille allowing 8 goals against Wisconsin & Clarkson at the 2014 FF would have made more sense comparatively.
 
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But I will agree that having hot goaltending come tournament time is a bonus.
IMO, it's more than a bonus. Both Jody Horak and Noora Räty performed markedly better in the NCAA tournament as juniors than they had as underclassmen. The result for each was her first championship. Was the problem fatigue? Because of the Olympics and multiple OTs, that was definitely an issue in 2010, but I think that having experienced the NCAA Tournament previously makes a difference as well. Leveille had at least three games during the season versus Wisconsin where she performed better than she did versus the Badgers in the Frozen Four. Was it mental and physical fatigue, inexperience, improvement by Bucky, shakier play by teammates? Maybe some of each. From 2006-2010, the Gophers lost four times in the NCAAs starting a different freshman goaltender in each. There have been goalies that did well w/o NCAA experience (Vetter, Harss, Rigsby), but there hasn't really been an example for the Gophers.

The goalie doesn't have to necessarily be incredible. I think both Horak and Räty carried the team a bit more as juniors than seniors, but it is hard to lose a goaltending battle and still win the game.
 
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Both Jody Horak and Noora Räty performed markedly better in the NCAA tournament as juniors than they had as underclassmen. The result for each was her first championship. Was the problem fatigue? Because of the Olympics and multiple OTs, that was definitely an issue in 2010, but I think that having experienced the NCAA Tournament previously makes a difference as well. Leveille had at least three games during the season versus Wisconsin where she performed better than she did versus the Badgers in the Frozen Four. Was it mental and physical fatigue, inexperience, improvement by Bucky, shakier play by teammates? Maybe some of each. From 2006-2010, the Gophers lost four times in the NCAAs starting a different freshman goaltender in each. There have been goalies that did well w/o NCAA experience (Vetter, Harss, Rigsby), but there hasn't really been an example for the Gophers.

The goalie doesn't have to necessarily be incredible. I think both Horak and Räty carried the team a bit more as juniors than seniors, but it is hard to lose a goaltending battle and still win the game.

I agree, and it could be a little of each. However …..
When the discussion was which goalie deserved to be nominated for the PK, (and there was also a goalie thread) where a few people that said Leveille didn’t deserve it, since she had the best team in front of her and consequently the easiest job during the season.

I disagree, and would argue she had the most difficult job, perhaps in all of hockey. What other goalie had to go such long stretches without any action? The other teams often carried the puck into the zone many times before getting a shot on goal. Each time she’d have to be both mentally and physically ready to make the play. But nothing happened.

Ever hear of stimulus-response? Or Chicken Little? If this happens often enough, eventually it takes its toll. I recall in 2012/13 there were a couple games I didn’t think Räty looked as sharp as she normally was and thinking “Wow, if she plays like this in the NCAA tournament, the Gophers could be in trouble”. When you play the best teams in the country, your goalie better be at the top of her game. But Räty was relieved a couple times in the 3rd period with the Gophers safely in the lead. and also for a couple games. Each time she came back and looked as good as ever, maybe even better. Good player management, coincidence, or was it just my imagination?

The record books show that after the last time she sat out a game she came back to pitch 6 consecutive shutouts, but more importantly she won two overtime games in the NCAA tournament. IOW, when her team needed her the most, she was impenetrable.

If it’s a good idea for the best female goalie in the world to sit out a period or a game, wouldn’t you think it might be a good idea for a rookie goalie too?

The assumption is that Peters will get more minutes than Sletta did.

IMO, I don’t think it has anything to do with Sletta/Peters.

I know she hasn’t played much, but it always looked to me like Sletta was reacting well to the play and seemed to have good concentration, in short a capable goalie, and history shows she has been.

Two of the last three years she was the only backup available. If she wasn’t/isn’t capable, what is she doing on the team? She subbed for Räty as a freshman over twice as many minutes as for Leveille as a Junior. You’d think she would have played more minutes last year than as a freshman.

Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but still…

You're making even less sense than usual though I guess not being able to figure out what you intended to mean is a sort of improvement.

an improvement for you ?

considering what a detailed orientated person you are, I pretty much expected a response from you.
 
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Re: Minnesota Gopher women's hockey off season thread for summer 2014

IMO, I don’t think it has anything to do with Sletta/Peters.

I know she hasn’t played much, but it always looked to me like Sletta was reacting well to the play and seemed to have good concentration, in short a capable goalie, and history shows she has been.

Two of the last three years she was the only backup available. If she wasn’t/isn’t capable, what is she doing on the team? She subbed for Räty as a freshman over twice as many minutes as for Leveille as a Junior. You’d think she would have played more minutes last year than as a freshman.
In the 2011-2012 season, Noora was held out of one game entirely against Minnesota State at Ridder; there's still some question about why that happened, as it was the first game of the weekend. Sletta got the start in Noora's place and played all 60 minutes... and yes, she got a shutout.

But excluding that one start, Shyler relieved Noora 3 times that season for 47 minutes. In 2013-2014, she relieved Leveille 3 times for 46 minutes. In other words, it was a wash.
 
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In the 2011-2012 season, Noora was held out of one game entirely against Minnesota State at Ridder; there's still some question about why that happened, as it was the first game of the weekend. Sletta got the start in Noora's place and played all 60 minutes... and yes, she got a shutout.

But excluding that one start, Shyler relieved Noora 3 times that season for 47 minutes. In 2013-2014, she relieved Leveille 3 times for 46 minutes. In other words, it was a wash.

LOL

excluding 2 goals, MN beat Clarkson for the championship last year
 
Re: Minnesota Gopher women's hockey off season thread for summer 2014

Ever hear of stimulus-response? Or Chicken Little? If this happens often enough, eventually it takes its toll.
An interesting analogy that may have merit. Where the situation is unlike Chicken Little (or the Boy Who Cried Wolf or any other situation where one prepares for something that is a false alarm) is that early last season the sky did fall. In the second period of that first game versus Wisconsin, it fell repeatedly. Leveille knew with certainty that pucks would get through the defense eventually. But as you say, human nature makes it tough to be as prepared if the shots appear occasionally versus regularly. There were times when that appeared to cause problems, such as the first goal allowed in the tie versus tOSU.

I recall in 2012/13 there were a couple games I didn’t think Räty looked as sharp as she normally was and thinking “Wow, if she plays like this in the NCAA tournament, the Gophers could be in trouble”.
Leveille's start at St. Cloud was a key piece down the stretch in 2013, because she came in and settled everything down. If Noora had a fault in goal, she at times tried to do too much and was too aggressive, and that seemed to bite her a bit on both goals allowed in the OT win against Bemidji State. Part of me thinks that it helped her to sit as Leveille played versus the Huskies, but she was just as impressive in the WCHA tourney the year before without getting that game off, so who knows.

IMO, I don’t think it has anything to do with Sletta/Peters.
I think that it does, although not directly. More than any other position, I think it is hard for goalies to overcome expectations, or more appropriately, lack of expectations. Sletta wasn't recruited to be a No. 1 goalie, and it is hard to change that perception. Back in 2005-06, the plan was to give the major minutes to Chartier while Hanlon sat. It was only after Chartier had some wobbles that Hanlon got a chance. Sletta didn't arrive with the resume of the goalies that have been her teammates, so developing her was never a priority of the staff. Peters is the heir apparent to the starting role in two years, so it would make sense to give her some minutes over the next two years. Whatever potential Sletta did or did not have, it certainly hasn't been maximized with the minuscule playing time she has been allotted in three seasons.

I know she hasn’t played much, but it always looked to me like Sletta was reacting well to the play and seemed to have good concentration, in short a capable goalie, and history shows she has been.

Two of the last three years she was the only backup available. If she wasn’t/isn’t capable, what is she doing on the team?
I agree with you on what Sletta has shown in games. Obviously, the coaches see a lot more of all the goalies in practice, so they have a better idea of what each can do. As for why she is on the team, she fills a very difficult role. It can't be easy to keep working hard in practice and off the ice when the reward of playing time doesn't seem to be part of the equation. But she does work, and she remains a good teammate throughout it. A team really needs three goalies, both for emergency and to have enough bodies in practice.

Personally, I agree that she should have been given more game action than she has received, especially in her first and third years when she was one collision in the crease away from being the team's top goalie (although, the type and timing of an injury to Leveille last year would have likely changed the thinking on Peters.) I also understand why the coaches always start the No. 1. I don't agree, but I do understand. The goalie is the most important player on the ice, and if the backup goalie is off, it can cost a game. Still, it is better to chance losing a game during the season if it means the backup will be better prepared for a postseason emergency. It also seems that there has been a little too much focus on shutouts and records. While those are great, they can't distract from the end objective of winning the championship.
 
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An interesting analogy that may have merit. Where the situation is unlike Chicken Little (or the Boy Who Cried Wolf or any other situation where one prepares for something that is a false alarm) is that early last season the sky did fall. In the second period of that first game versus Wisconsin, it fell repeatedly. Leveille knew with certainty that pucks would get through the defense eventually. But as you say, human nature makes it tough to be as prepared if the shots appear occasionally versus regularly. There were times when that appeared to cause problems, such as the first goal allowed in the tie versus tOSU.

Leveille's start at St. Cloud was a key piece down the stretch in 2013, because she came in and settled everything down. If Noora had a fault in goal, she at times tried to do too much and was too aggressive, and that seemed to bite her a bit on both goals allowed in the OT win against Bemidji State. Part of me thinks that it helped her to sit as Leveille played versus the Huskies, but she was just as impressive in the WCHA tourney the year before without getting that game off, so who knows.

I think that it does, although not directly. More than any other position, I think it is hard for goalies to overcome expectations, or more appropriately, lack of expectations. Sletta wasn't recruited to be a No. 1 goalie, and it is hard to change that perception. Back in 2005-06, the plan was to give the major minutes to Chartier while Hanlon sat. It was only after Chartier had some wobbles that Hanlon got a chance. Sletta didn't arrive with the resume of the goalies that have been her teammates, so developing her was never a priority of the staff. Peters is the heir apparent to the starting role in two years, so it would make sense to give her some minutes over the next two years. Whatever potential Sletta did or did not have, it certainly hasn't been maximized with the minuscule playing time she has been allotted in three seasons.

I agree with you on what Sletta has shown in games. Obviously, the coaches see a lot more of all the goalies in practice, so they have a better idea of what each can do. As for why she is on the team, she fills a very difficult role. It can't be easy to keep working hard in practice and off the ice when the reward of playing time doesn't seem to be part of the equation. But she does work, and she remains a good teammate throughout it. A team really needs three goalies, both for emergency and to have enough bodies in practice.

Personally, I agree that she should have been given more game action than she has received, especially in her first and third years when she was one collision in the crease away from being the team's top goalie (although, the type and timing of an injury to Leveille last year would have likely changed the thinking on Peters.) I also understand why the coaches always start the No. 1. I don't agree, but I do understand. The goalie is the most important player on the ice, and if the backup goalie is off, it can cost a game. Still, it is better to chance losing a game during the season if it means the backup will be better prepared for a postseason emergency. It also seems that there has been a little too much focus on shutouts and records. While those are great, they can't distract from the end objective of winning the championship.

absolutely, what would have happened if Leveille got hurt during the semi or final, I believe Sletta is a capable backup that can be relied upon, but throwing her out there cold in that spotlight without almost no playing time???? Well I guess in the end, she wasn't injured, they lost, so it doesn't matter.

Nobody is going to remember or care that Leveille beat the Beavers 10-0, Playing Sletta the next game would have been one way to motivate the Gophers after the easy victory the day before. I doubt she would have let in more goals than Leveille did.

It seems that most of the coaches in women's hockey play one goalie, a couple exceptions being UND this year, SCSU last year, and back in 98/99 & 99/00 the Gophers split duties but when it came to the tournament it was Killewald.

My own guess is that other than the Wisconsin games, there wouldn't have been a change in the results if you had played Sletta all year. Maybe I'm missing a game or two, other than UMD & WI I only saw the home games.
 
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With regards to Sletta's playing time, there were other complications. I don't really want to go into what they were but there were more considerations in play then just having a backup ready to go.
 
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With regards to Sletta's playing time, there were other complications. I don't really want to go into what they were but there were more considerations in play then just having a backup ready to go.

While it is the norm to not detail injuries on this board, after all the nice and insightful comments regarding Ms. Sletta I would hate for a comment alluding to other complications cause any to surmise it had anything to do with her skill, grades, character or work ethic. I believe the the rehab was off season, and she was fully able to practice last fall. Eeyore obviously knows some of the specifics. I am very impressed with the fans on this board taking the time to discuss the situation of the back up goalie position, in general and specific. Lots of good discussion - it is a complex issue, more so for the coaches. Already excited for next season!
 
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While it is the norm to not detail injuries on this board, after all the nice and insightful comments regarding Ms. Sletta I would hate for a comment alluding to other complications cause any to surmise it had anything to do with her skill, grades, character or work ethic. I believe the the rehab was off season, and she was fully able to practice last fall. Eeyore obviously knows some of the specifics. I am very impressed with the fans on this board taking the time to discuss the situation of the back up goalie position, in general and specific. Lots of good discussion - it is a complex issue, more so for the coaches. Already excited for next season!

No. It was not grades, character, or work ethic. I'm just reluctant to share it because it is information that is really internal to the team. Beyond that, I don't know all of the details and could easily get something wrong if I tried to relate it. It doesn't reflect badly on anyone; it's just kind of complicated.
 
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No. It was not grades, character, or work ethic. I'm just reluctant to share it because it is information that is really internal to the team. Beyond that, I don't know all of the details and could easily get something wrong if I tried to relate it. It doesn't reflect badly on anyone; it's just kind of complicated.

so worse than not using the backup goalie, there WAS no backup goalie!

yes, Eeyore is the Sid Hartman of woman's hockey
certainly has the senility part of the act down pat
 
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You have a fantastic goaler in Sidney Peters, a red shirt from last year, playing this fall. I believe she will be considered one of your top tenders of all time after her 4 years are up.
 
You have a fantastic goaler in Sidney Peters, a red shirt from last year, playing this fall. I believe she will be considered one of your top tenders of all time after her 4 years are up.

You are all disillusional if you think Sletta was ever gonna play. She's a Gopher that is going to the U from the burbs as will be Emma May. As for Peters she is a great goalie that got shafted and should go play somewhere else as has been hinted by the coaching staff.
 
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