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Minnesota Golden Gopher Women's Hockey 2013-14 Season

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Anyone can look and see who is responsible for a team’s scoring, but who is responsible for a team winning? The two don’t aren’t necessarily the same. A player that is often involved in the scoring may also often be involved in her team’s being scored upon. Which Gopher is least likely to be scored upon?

Four Gophers, Rachel Bona, Jordyn Burns, Maryanne Menefee, and Brook Garzone have been on the ice for 3 even strength goals. But the latter three have been on the ice for a power play goal (Menefee twice), and the latter two have missed games. And Burns likely hasn’t logged as much time as Bona, so 26 games into the season, Bona has to be considered the least likely to be scored upon.
Meghan Lorence is right on their tail with 4 even strength goals, although she too has given up a power play goal and missed some time. Sarah Davis is also one of the least likely to be scored upon, she’s only been on the ice for 4 even strength goals, plus 3 PP while likely being among the top Gophers for ice time, if not THE top.
Kate Schipper is the freshman least likely to be scored upon, she’s only been on the ice for 5 even strength, plus 1 PP, and her numbers seem to be declining. Megan Wolfe is a close 2nd but her numbers seem to be increasing, or maybe she’s just being used more often. The numbers of the freshman D are skewed by playing on the 4th line, the 4th line has given up more than their share of goals (probably should be expected from freshman defenders playing forward).
Milica McMillen has only been on the ice for 6 goals, plus 2PP and is the team leader in +/- after 26 games. Baylee Gillanders has been on the ice for 8 goals, plus 5 PP, but two of those were 5 on 3. She also has more than twice as many blocked shots as the # 2 & # 3 players combined.
Here are the numbers after 26 games:
Player-goals-PP-even strength
7 3 0 3
17 4 1 3
18 4 1 3
14 5 2 3
20 5 1 4
3 6 0 6
6 6 1 5
9 7 3 4
12 7 1 6
13 8 2 6
21 9 0 9
16 10 0 10
22 10 3 7
10 12 2 10
15 12 1 11
11 13 0 13
27 13 5 8
5 16 3 13
 
pokechecker said:
Anyone can look and see who is responsible for a team’s scoring, but who is responsible for a team winning? The two don’t aren’t necessarily the same. A player that is often involved in the scoring may also often be involved in her team’s being scored upon. Which Gopher is least likely to be scored upon?
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The numbers are always interesting, but they only tell so much of a story. Which players are consistently matched up against the opponents' best? Who is relied upon to kill penalties five-on-three? Is a certain player given more defensive responsibility within a line? As with any of the stats, we are often comparing apples and oranges.

My opinion is that when a team wins as often as this one does, many people are responsible for those wins.
 
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pokechecker said:
Anyone can look and see who is responsible for a team’s scoring, but who is responsible for a team winning? The two don’t aren’t necessarily the same. A player that is often involved in the scoring may also often be involved in her team’s being scored upon. Which Gopher is least likely to be scored upon?

Four Gophers, Rachel Bona, Jordyn Burns, Maryanne Menefee, and Brook Garzone have been on the ice for 3 even strength goals. But the latter three have been on the ice for a power play goal (Menefee twice), and the latter two have missed games. And Burns likely hasn’t logged as much time as Bona, so 26 games into the season, Bona has to be considered the least likely to be scored upon.
Meghan Lorence is right on their tail with 4 even strength goals, although she too has given up a power play goal and missed some time. Sarah Davis is also one of the least likely to be scored upon, she’s only been on the ice for 4 even strength goals, plus 3 PP while likely being among the top Gophers for ice time, if not THE top.
Kate Schipper is the freshman least likely to be scored upon, she’s only been on the ice for 5 even strength, plus 1 PP, and her numbers seem to be declining. Megan Wolfe is a close 2nd but her numbers seem to be increasing, or maybe she’s just being used more often. The numbers of the freshman D are skewed by playing on the 4th line, the 4th line has given up more than their share of goals (probably should be expected from freshman defenders playing forward).
Milica McMillen has only been on the ice for 6 goals, plus 2PP and is the team leader in +/- after 26 games. Baylee Gillanders has been on the ice for 8 goals, plus 5 PP, but two of those were 5 on 3. She also has more than twice as many blocked shots as the # 2 & # 3 players combined.
Here are the numbers after 26 games:
Player-goals-PP-even strength
7 3 0 3
17 4 1 3
18 4 1 3
14 5 2 3
20 5 1 4
3 6 0 6
6 6 1 5
9 7 3 4
12 7 1 6
13 8 2 6
21 9 0 9
16 10 0 10
22 10 3 7
10 12 2 10
15 12 1 11
11 13 0 13
27 13 5 8
5 16 3 13
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Not sure what box scores you used, but these numbers are not accurate. I double checked Ramsey's numbers, and she was on ice for 10 even strength. That represents a third of the 29 total goals given up this season, about what you would expect from someone who is on the ice more than 20 minutes a game. However, going through the box scores on the Gopher site, I noticed several of the goals against when she was on the ice were scored when the fourth line was out in lopsided games. I don't think you have proven anything here other than giving us another confirmation that the D get a lot of ice time as a group.
 
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OldDave said:
Not sure what box scores you used, but these numbers are not accurate. I double checked Ramsey's numbers, and she was on ice for 10 even strength. That represents a third of the 29 total goals given up this season, about what you would expect from someone who is on the ice more than 20 minutes a game. However, going through the box scores on the Gopher site, I noticed several of the goals against when she was on the ice were scored when the fourth line was out in lopsided games. I don't think you have proven anything here other than giving us another confirmation that the D get a lot of ice time as a group.
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pokechecker fails to understand numbers. Film at 11.
 
Re: Minnesota Golden Gopher Women's Hockey 2013-14 Season

OldDave said:
Not sure what box scores you used, but these numbers are not accurate. I double checked Ramsey's numbers, and she was on ice for 10 even strength. That represents a third of the 29 total goals given up this season, about what you would expect from someone who is on the ice more than 20 minutes a game. However, going through the box scores on the Gopher site, I noticed several of the goals against when she was on the ice were scored when the fourth line was out in lopsided games. I don't think you have proven anything here other than giving us another confirmation that the D get a lot of ice time as a group.
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if you have data more accurate, why don't you post it?
...oh, because you don't

you guys crack me up, I say high, you say low
I say why and you say I don't know, ...

more data:

player +/- penalties Blocked shots
13 36 21 21
7 32 8 7
22 31 7 17
5 26 13 27
10 26 6 10
14 24 4 6
9 23 6 14
18 23 1 8
27 22 5 53
21 19 4 8
20 19 9 5
6 16 6 3
12 14 3 20
16 11 4 10
17 9 0 11
15 6 2 14
11 2 3 9
3 -1 1 3

yes, +/- and being on the ice when goals are scored depends upon who else is on the ice, but anyone who has taken an introductory course to stats could explain why the data is significant
 
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pokechecker said:
if you have data more accurate, why don't you post it?
...oh, because you don't

you guys crack me up, I say high, you say low
I say why and you say I don't know, ...
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Well, I did post the number I had.

I apologize if I misunderstood your premise. I thought you were trying to determine who contributed the most to winning. The stats that would tell us that are not posted anywhere that I can find. I suspect the coaching staff can tell us how many times an opposing player has come down the ice and had the puck taken away without even getting off a shot. Blocked shots tell you how many times an opposing player got off a shot that did not make it on net. Saves tell you how many times an opposing player got off a shot but did not score. Turnovers don't tell the story, because I think that number counts the times a team dumps the puck for a line change.

So, find me that stat that tells how many times each player prevented a shot with a poke check or by back-checking or by muscling the opponent off the puck and I will buy your premise.
 
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UND media has produced THREE separate videos concerning the upcoming series.

I agree with Coach Idalski, whatever the game outcomes, this should be fun.
 
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ManBehindTheCurtain said:
UND media has produced THREE separate videos concerning the upcoming series.
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I wonder with the conference realignment in men's hockey if this series hasn't taken on more meaning up in Grand Forks. Games against the Gopher men have always been the biggest in town, with the former Fighting Sioux having relished every win in that storied rivalry. But now that the Gopher men are off the schedule, maybe the games against the Gopher women are taking on added significance.
 
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D2D said:
I wonder with the conference realignment in men's hockey if this series hasn't taken on more meaning up in Grand Forks. Games against the Gopher men have always been the biggest in town, with the former Fighting Sioux having relished every win in that storied rivalry. But now that the Gopher men are off the schedule, maybe the games against the Gopher women are taking on added significance.
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Coach Idalski on each of the videos refers to the games as "rivalry" games.

"Rivalry" as a descriptor for UND-Minnesota men's hockey is without doubt accurate, or maybe at least it was accurate up until now.

This feels a little like Carl Gerbschmidt refusing to acknowledge Packers v. Vikings as a rivalry game by always maintaining that the only REAL rivalry that the Packers have is the Bears but at this point it still feels to me like the "rivalry" games for the the Gophers are the Badgers and the Bulldogs. History.

UND can and probably will become a rivalry game for the Gophers in the future. For it to really become a "rivalry" it seems to me that UND has to inflict a really, really bitter defeat on the Gophers, something they have not up until now done. OK, breaking the streak but we all knew that was coming. We need something REALLY bitter to build up the bile. Something like knocking the Gophers out of the NCAA tournament. That is something that still could happen this season and if it does I as a Gopher fan will going forward absolutely consider any game against UND as a rivalry game.

For now? Really, really important series against an absolutely top of the line opponent.
 
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ManBehindTheCurtain said:
UND can and probably will become a rivalry game for the Gophers in the future. For it to really become a "rivalry" it seems to me that UND has to inflict a really, really bitter defeat on the Gophers, something they have not up until now done. OK, breaking the streak but we all knew that was coming. We need something REALLY bitter to build up the bile.
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My point was that the "bile may already have been built" from UND's perspective, in part due to the men's bitter rivalry over the years. I think you will see some evidence of that from the attendance figures this weekend. Otherwise, I agree that it may take a "really bitter defeat' of the Gophers for our fans to consider UND as our No. 1 rival, with the Badgers always being in contention for that honor. :)
 
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ManBehindTheCurtain said:
UND media has produced THREE separate videos concerning the upcoming series.

I agree with Coach Idalski, whatever the game outcomes, this should be fun.
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To be clear, I didn't watch the three videos from your link, but I watched 3 videos on the series earlier that I think you're referring to, and two of them are actually just broken up from one large clip of the UND Insider show so viewers don't have to watch the whole show if they don't want to, and the other is the press conference video that they have every week. UND hasn't done anything special that they don't usually do most weeks. That said this series does bring extra media attention. It's 1 vs 3. Rivalry or not, it's a big series.

To the individual that suggested because of the men not playing Minnesota it has amped up the women's series, I think a part of that is true, but IMO the main reason this series is simply amped up this weekend is because the men are on a bye week, so it is the only game in town at the Ralph this weekend, and hockey fans aren't distracted by a men's away series either.

Personally, with the absences on the UND team, I think it's lost a bit of luster. We'll see. Looking forward to hooking up my computer to the big TV to watch.
 
ManBehindTheCurtain said:
UND can and probably will become a rivalry game for the Gophers in the future.
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I agree that UND is less of a rival in the mind of the typical Gopher fan than Wisconsin and UMD. That isn't true for the players. For half of this year's team, North Dakota is the only program that's ever beaten them in their Minnesota careers. The upper classes on this team may think of Wisconsin a big quicker as a rival, but for the younger players, North Dakota is at least an equal to the Badgers in that regard. Nobody on the current team has experienced the Bulldogs as a champion, so that rivalry may have taken a step back in their eyes. If Wisconsin is rivalry No. 1 for the players, then UND is at least No. 1A.
 
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More on the Gophers-UND rivalry in today's Star Tribune.

“They’re probably pretty mad at us for that [triple-overtime loss], and we’re pretty mad at them for ending our streak,” Terry said. “So there’s extra fire for both teams.”
That’s extra fire for what was already Minnesota’s most heated women’s hockey rivalry.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/242870371.html
 
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D2D said:
More on the Gophers-UND rivalry in today's Star Tribune.

“They’re probably pretty mad at us for that [triple-overtime loss], and we’re pretty mad at them for ending our streak,” Terry said. “So there’s extra fire for both teams.”
That’s extra fire for what was already Minnesota’s most heated women’s hockey rivalry.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/242870371.html
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I am very happy to have this game to look forward to seeing on TV from the comfort of my couch in New Hampshire!
 
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