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Middlebury Panthers Hockey 2010- 2011

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hawk said:
Prof I have had quite a bit of contact with Dartmouth students and staff over the years and haven't observed any elitist attitude. You find all type's of people at these schools just like you would at Norwich. Now the NESCAC Admin people are in another class for no other reason in the way the interlock was ended without any notice for a number of months. With the interlock ended and the season extended for Norwich and Castleton it gives the fans in Vermont a chance to travel around to see teams like Middlebury play when no games are scheduled for your home team. I an looking forward to traveling down to Thompson Arena next fall to see how the Cadets match up with D1 Dartmouth.
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As you probably know, I am a Dartmouth alum, and have continued to follow the Ivies. My point is that the Ivies seem to play better with their DI brethern than the NESCACs do with their DIII brethern. In no way do place the blame for this on Midd, although some of the more divisive DIII proposals emanated from ex-Midd president McCardle. I think/hope Midd wants to continue the hockey series with Norwich. I hope that going back to a weeknight game won't make the rivalry any less intense. Norwich's rivalry with Midd in hockey is very special and I want it to continue. THE GAME means a lot on our campus.

I also look forward to going down to Thompson to see the Cadets play there - it should be a good time. Thompson is a great facility, and it's about 55 minutes from Northfield.
 
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NUProf said:
I also look forward to going down to Thompson to see the Cadets play there - it should be a good time. Thompson is a great facility, and it's about 55 minutes from Northfield.
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I'm sorry is it's been stated, and I missed it, but do we know a date on the game at Thompson? I'm thinking I might have to make it to this exhibition.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I'm sorry is it's been stated, and I missed it, but do we know a date on the game at Thompson? I'm thinking I might have to make it to this exhibition.
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If memory serves me correctly it is Oct. 28 - but it might be Oct 29. It has been stated somewhere and I'm acting off my old memory cells. :D
 
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CH2010 said:
Do you mean the academic/social aspect of the NESCAC is elitist or the hockey philosophy itself? I certainly feel the NESCAC hockey teams overrate their league compared to some of the teams out west but I don't think the players themselves are very elitist.
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I do not think the players themselves are very elitist - nor the hockey program itself - I respect Bill Beaney - and I acknowledge that it may be wrong to view an entire conference from the actions of one, but... (guilt by association) ...

Initially I posted this here.

Every since I read this arrogant piece of BS ranting, I have had little but disgust for everything NESCAC from 12/7/07 - Ron Liebowitz, president of Middlebury College:

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NESCAC, arguably the most successful D-III conference in the division, is also the conference with the most stringent rules that govern varsity athletics, including the length of each season, the number of contests, student eligibility, practice schedules, recruiting policy, post-season play, and others.
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It didn’t seem right to me (or “fair”) that some of our varsity teams compete against programs with student bodies that are two, three, and even five times the size of Middlebury’s—programs that begin their seasons weeks ahead of our teams, with many more games/contests under their belts before post-season play, and with fewer other restrictions on their recruiting, admissions, and other relevant areas.
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Now that the ECAC-E is no longer under the same practice/schedule constraints as the NESCAC, will they in fact lengthen their season? If so, I would see this as a plus for them getting out of the interlock. I also hope/think that Norwich and Middlebury will continue to play each other. It's not as big a deal at Midd as it used to be, but it's good for interest in D3 hockey in Vermont. I'm also assuming that Midd will continue to play Plattsburgh. It's a short trip which works well for a mid-week game in January. Best to all teams in the playoffs. Odd not to have Middlebury in the mix. Definitely a down year for them. They never really hit on all cylinders.
 
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puxrex said:
Now that the ECAC-E is no longer under the same practice/schedule constraints as the NESCAC, will they in fact lengthen their season? If so, I would see this as a plus for them getting out of the interlock. I also hope/think that Norwich and Middlebury will continue to play each other. It's not as big a deal at Midd as it used to be, but it's good for interest in D3 hockey in Vermont. I'm also assuming that Midd will continue to play Plattsburgh. It's a short trip which works well for a mid-week game in January. Best to all teams in the playoffs. Odd not to have Middlebury in the mix. Definitely a down year for them. They never really hit on all cylinders.
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I enjoy Middlebury and Norwich Hockey, both rinks are great as are their fans, and doubt the Primelink Shootout is ending anytime soon, so we should have at least that. :cool:
 
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norm1909 said:
I do not think the players themselves are very elitist - nor the hockey program itself - I respect Bill Beaney - and I acknowledge that it may be wrong to view an entire conference from the actions of one, but... (guilt by association) ...

Initially I posted this here.

Every since I read this arrogant piece of BS ranting, I have had little but disgust for everything NESCAC from 12/7/07 - Ron Liebowitz, president of Middlebury College:

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I can see how you might percieve Ron Leibowitz's comments as being arrogant, Maybe it's the WAY he said it, but all of the points that he made are FACTS. What points would you argue are BS?:confused:
 
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jimmy d said:
I can see how you might percieve Ron Leibowitz's comments as being arrogant, Maybe it's the WAY he said it, but all of the points that he made are FACTS. What points would you argue are BS?:confused:
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I might disagree with the comment about other teams having "many more games" under their belt for the post=season. All DIII is under a 25 game regular season limit.
 
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jerrynu26 said:
I might disagree with the comment about other teams having "many more games" under their belt for the post=season. All DIII is under a 25 game regular season limit.
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Yes you are right, good point
 
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jerrynu26 said:
I might disagree with the comment about other teams having "many more games" under their belt for the post=season. All DIII is under a 25 game regular season limit.
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But the NESCAC only gets to play 24 games :( :(

As I said, it's a big difference between the way that the Ivies approach this and the way that the NESCAC does. The Ivies set rules that they find appropriate for themselves, and then fit their philosophy in with the rest of DI and don't whine about it. The NESCAC tries to force everybody else to follow its rules. The one NESCAC restriction that I kind of like was the time frame for hockey thing. Since the limit on the number of games is 25, I'd rather see a more compact season - I like that week in, week out effect that you get.

That will change for us next year as the ECAC East handbook lists the first three weekends of November as conference weekends, and starts practice on Oct 15.
 
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NUProf said:
But the NESCAC only gets to play 24 games :( :(

As I said, it's a big difference between the way that the Ivies approach this and the way that the NESCAC does. The Ivies set rules that they find appropriate for themselves, and then fit their philosophy in with the rest of DI and don't whine about it. The NESCAC tries to force everybody else to follow its rules. The one NESCAC restriction that I kind of like was the time frame for hockey thing. Since the limit on the number of games is 25, I'd rather see a more compact season - I like that week in, week out effect that you get.
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Did the NESCAC whine about it? I don't know, looks like they just decided to go off and PLAY WITH THEMSELVES:D It is the normal way conferences operate isn't it? The interlock was an anomaly was it not? I can't say that I agree with the NESCAC philosophy, I liked it better when admission standards were more lenient and MIDD had +/- 16 players from the Canadian Juniors and were winning consecutive National Championships. It has been fun to watch Mr. Beaney try to bring his boys up to a level where they can be a threat to the top teams in the country, and I believe that he will once in a while, but as we have seen, it won't be a frequent occurrence.
 
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PSUChamps2001 said:
As if Middlebury needed more drama....

http://www.wptz.com/news/27855296/detail.html

Got to agree with the school tho, there are always two sides to the story....
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It would seem to me that the only actionable issue there is the "berated him in front of the team" part. That could be a FERPA violation. He doesn't have a right to play for the team - I think performance and attitude issues are within a coach's discretion, but disciplinary issues need to be handled in private?
 
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I don't think this player will win a lawsuit like this, but the fact that he and his father were angry enough to file it tells you something . In my opinion it tells you that Beaney may not be on solid footing with the players and parents. How likely do you think it is that everyone thinks the program is in great shape and this kid is just an outlier? I say this could be the beginning of the end for Beany, there has been alot of noise from this program and terrific players like Clayton have quit the team. It may be time for Beaney to consider changing his approach, he is clearly an excellent coach but seems to have lost the team in recent years.
 
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This is not the first time by the proverbial country mile that Beany has in the words of the lawsuit treated a player "capriciously" . Finally somebody called him on it. Good for them. Guy is a wanker. Period
 
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Things I have to wonder:

1. What exactly did Beany say to the other players? That could determine whether this was a FERPA violation or not.

2. Breach of contract? Were this DI, I could see how NLIs could be interpreted as a legally-binding contract, but at this level I'm curious as to how he's going to argue that.

3. Was leaving the banquet to see his father the only reason he got kicked off the team? I could see it warranting a suspension, but I have to imagine there's more to the story than that. The article even says he was originally only suspended. Makes me wonder what he did or said to get the permanent boot. If he was disrespectful to the coach regarding the suspension, I agree with coach. No matter how much of an a**hole a coach may or may not be, a player who is not able to put his personal issues with the coach aside and work for the good of the team should not be a welcome member of the team.

4. Although this ought has no meaning in the courtroom, and is just a point of curiosity, I have to wonder if the player had discussed leaving the banquet with coach beforehand. If not, than this guy is an idiot. If he did ask coach having explained the situation, and coach said no, he should have stayed. Coach obviously had a reason to keep him there, and I doubt it was "hey, I feel like being a d*** today". I'm sure it was something to better the team, whether it was the "bonding time", or a particular speech that was going to be given, or something else. In any case, if he had explained the situation and coach said to stay, he should have stayed. No doubt about it in my mind. (Obviously, if he felt that it might be the last time he saw his father or something like that, then he would be well within his rights to tell Beany to ****** off, but short of that, I stand by this position).
 
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