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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
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Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
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JOHN SCOTT ROCKS
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
Hey Rolleyes, last time I checked Howell wasn't part of the UP.
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Hey Rolleyes, last time I checked Howell wasn't part of the UP.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
The only thing that is obvious here is that you don't know the entire situation. Everything you've posted about Daavettila indicates that he was given at least one, maybe even two chances to try and walk on with the varsity team, and that he did not make it. You don't actually know why he didn't make it, you just think the coaches somehow "missed out" or overlooked him. Perhaps that is true, but I am willing to bet that it is just speculation on your part (and rather bitter-sounding speculation, I might add - are you two related or something?).
If he was actually good enough to play WCHA hockey at the time he tried out, I'm sure Russell would've let him walk on. John Kivisto did the same thing four years ago, and it should be noted that he is a Brighton native, not "another Western Canadian".
The only thing that is obvious here is that you don't know the entire situation. Everything you've posted about Daavettila indicates that he was given at least one, maybe even two chances to try and walk on with the varsity team, and that he did not make it. You don't actually know why he didn't make it, you just think the coaches somehow "missed out" or overlooked him. Perhaps that is true, but I am willing to bet that it is just speculation on your part (and rather bitter-sounding speculation, I might add - are you two related or something?).
If he was actually good enough to play WCHA hockey at the time he tried out, I'm sure Russell would've let him walk on. John Kivisto did the same thing four years ago, and it should be noted that he is a Brighton native, not "another Western Canadian".
Flashy Man
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
Apparently JSR doesn't get what a late bloomer is. The ECHL is in no way representative of what kind of potential you would have had in D1. Take last year's top scorer in the NCAA, Bryan Leitch. He's currently in the ECHL with 4 total points in 7 games.
Apparently JSR doesn't get what a late bloomer is. The ECHL is in no way representative of what kind of potential you would have had in D1. Take last year's top scorer in the NCAA, Bryan Leitch. He's currently in the ECHL with 4 total points in 7 games.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
If you look at Daavettila's stats with Finlandia, he had 13 pts. in 10 games, which is decent. However, the following season Pete Rouleau had 17 pts. in only 7 games, then transferred to Tech, sat out his year and a half, then led us in points for two seasons, and where does he play now? The CHL - at least a half step down from the ECHL.
It's a nice story for Daavettila, and I wish him continued success, but it does not reflect at all on the ability of the current MTU coaching staff to "recognize talent". It's simply not as cut and dried as JSR thinks it is. As I've pointed out before, he would've been trying to walk on right as Russell was getting started with the program, and I'm sure JR had a lot to sort out at the time. I'm not going to lose any sleep over Jamie possibly overlooking a late-bloomer during his first year on the job. Though I'm sure JSR feels that he totally "bungled" the recruiting there.
If you look at Daavettila's stats with Finlandia, he had 13 pts. in 10 games, which is decent. However, the following season Pete Rouleau had 17 pts. in only 7 games, then transferred to Tech, sat out his year and a half, then led us in points for two seasons, and where does he play now? The CHL - at least a half step down from the ECHL.
It's a nice story for Daavettila, and I wish him continued success, but it does not reflect at all on the ability of the current MTU coaching staff to "recognize talent". It's simply not as cut and dried as JSR thinks it is. As I've pointed out before, he would've been trying to walk on right as Russell was getting started with the program, and I'm sure JR had a lot to sort out at the time. I'm not going to lose any sleep over Jamie possibly overlooking a late-bloomer during his first year on the job. Though I'm sure JSR feels that he totally "bungled" the recruiting there.
crazypotatoes
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
FIRE RUSSELL BECAUSE A PLAYER HE PASSED ON IS PLAYING MINOR LEAGUE HOCKEY NOW!1!!1!
BUT DAAVETTILA WOULD HAVE TURNED THIS PROGRAM AROUND!!111!!1If you look at Daavettila's stats with Finlandia, he had 13 pts. in 10 games, which is decent. However, the following season Pete Rouleau had 17 pts. in only 7 games, then transferred to Tech, sat out his year and a half, then led us in points for two seasons, and where does he play now? The CHL - at least a half step down from the ECHL.
It's a nice story for Daavettila, and I wish him continued success, but it does not reflect at all on the ability of the current MTU coaching staff to "recognize talent". It's simply not as cut and dried as JSR thinks it is. As I've pointed out before, he would've been trying to walk on right as Russell was getting started with the program, and I'm sure JR had a lot to sort out at the time. I'm not going to lose any sleep over Jamie possibly overlooking a late-bloomer during his first year on the job. Though I'm sure JSR feels that he totally "bungled" the recruiting there.
FIRE RUSSELL BECAUSE A PLAYER HE PASSED ON IS PLAYING MINOR LEAGUE HOCKEY NOW!1!!1!
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
BUT DAAVETTILA WOULD HAVE TURNED THIS PROGRAM AROUND!!111!!1
Beer Pong Horn
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
Fixed that picture for you, F2B&G.
Fixed that picture for you, F2B&G.
The Darkness
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
not to mention warm and welcoming, just look at all of the community members who came out to offer their support and provide a little bit of heat on a cold Houghton night.
not to mention warm and welcoming, just look at all of the community members who came out to offer their support and provide a little bit of heat on a cold Houghton night.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
Impressive entryway too - whatever it cost The Institution, I bet it really convinces recruits to come to Houghton.
Impressive entryway too - whatever it cost The Institution, I bet it really convinces recruits to come to Houghton.
Beer Pong Horn
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
I'm pretty sure Trent Daavettila is in that crowd waving a hockey stick. "Hey, Jamie, I suck now but just wait until I'm doing reasonably ok in the ECHL! You should give me a tryout!!"
Impressive entryway too - whatever it cost The Institution, I bet it really convinces recruits to come to Houghton.
I'm pretty sure Trent Daavettila is in that crowd waving a hockey stick. "Hey, Jamie, I suck now but just wait until I'm doing reasonably ok in the ECHL! You should give me a tryout!!"
JOHN SCOTT ROCKS
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
I'm not sure what your point is; only in that it further proves mine that Daavettila is excelling on a team that is far better than Tech- on which Rouleau was the leading scorer.
It doesn't??? If Tech is a top five team for the last 5 years, this is a non-story. When you're essentially dwelling in the cellar for the last five years you aren't going to get a free pass; this is prime example that helps explain why.
If you look at Daavettila's stats with Finlandia, he had 13 pts. in 10 games, which is decent. However, the following season Pete Rouleau had 17 pts. in only 7 games, then transferred to Tech, sat out his year and a half, then led us in points for two seasons, and where does he play now? The CHL - at least a half step down from the ECHL.
I'm not sure what your point is; only in that it further proves mine that Daavettila is excelling on a team that is far better than Tech- on which Rouleau was the leading scorer.
It's a nice story for Daavettila, and I wish him continued success, but it does not reflect at all on the ability of the current MTU coaching staff to "recognize talent".
It doesn't??? If Tech is a top five team for the last 5 years, this is a non-story. When you're essentially dwelling in the cellar for the last five years you aren't going to get a free pass; this is prime example that helps explain why.
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FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
To understand my point, I'll have to explain the full story on Rouleau (my apologies if you already know this). He was originally recruited by Tech while playing junior hockey in Green Bay. He waited too long to accept because at the time he was hoping Northern would offer and he could join his then-fiance (now wife) in Marquette. Tech pulled their offer a year later, which is how he ended up at Finlandia for a season, before transferring to MTU, walking on, sitting out, earning a scholarship with his performance, etc.
My point is, Peter got to 17 points in only seven games and led FU in scoring for (I think) 03-04, while Daavettila took ten games to hit 13 points, and was only second in scoring on the 02-03 (?) squad. That doesn't make Daavettila a bad player, but based on the numbers and on MTU's previous interest, it should be obvious that Rouleau was the better hockey player at the time.
Daavettila now benefits due to some obvious late development, and (more importantly) due to his size. Peter Rouleau will probably never play hockey above the CHL because undersized players generally have to be quite promising to get a serious look from an NHL team's ECHL/AHL farm system. Rouleau's talented, but he's not that talented.
That said...
And even with a guy who is likely to be a career ECHLer, it is doubtful that MTU would have been able to finish in the top half of the conference for any more than one of those five seasons. No offense to him, but it is true, and no you cannot cite John Scott as an example of a similar prediction proved wrong, because their circumstances are entirely different.
You still haven't explained why Daavettila didn't make the team, and it's because you don't actually know why and none of us ever will know exactly why. You just think that Russell missing out on a guy who wasn't going to turn the team around overnight is somehow proof of his recruiting incompetence.
Look at who Russell is bringing in now - have you even seen Steven Seigo play yet? He's been unusually good for a freshman d-man, and I can't wait to watch him in another year or two, along with guys like Schooley, Pietila, and Witt, who have all shown some promising shifts early on.
This is a very young team with 17 frosh/soph (including both starting goalies), and I think abruptly losing a Top 6 foward like Eric Kattelus, who was poised for a breakout year until he got suspended for who knows what, was a major issue early on for this year's team. They're going to have to battle, learn, get better mental discipline from the upperclassmen they do have, and try to improve as the season goes on. With some more experience for the younger guys, the potential for an upward finish to this season and a respectable 2010-2011 campaign is certainly there.
To understand my point, I'll have to explain the full story on Rouleau (my apologies if you already know this). He was originally recruited by Tech while playing junior hockey in Green Bay. He waited too long to accept because at the time he was hoping Northern would offer and he could join his then-fiance (now wife) in Marquette. Tech pulled their offer a year later, which is how he ended up at Finlandia for a season, before transferring to MTU, walking on, sitting out, earning a scholarship with his performance, etc.
My point is, Peter got to 17 points in only seven games and led FU in scoring for (I think) 03-04, while Daavettila took ten games to hit 13 points, and was only second in scoring on the 02-03 (?) squad. That doesn't make Daavettila a bad player, but based on the numbers and on MTU's previous interest, it should be obvious that Rouleau was the better hockey player at the time.
Daavettila now benefits due to some obvious late development, and (more importantly) due to his size. Peter Rouleau will probably never play hockey above the CHL because undersized players generally have to be quite promising to get a serious look from an NHL team's ECHL/AHL farm system. Rouleau's talented, but he's not that talented.
That said...
And even with a guy who is likely to be a career ECHLer, it is doubtful that MTU would have been able to finish in the top half of the conference for any more than one of those five seasons. No offense to him, but it is true, and no you cannot cite John Scott as an example of a similar prediction proved wrong, because their circumstances are entirely different.
You still haven't explained why Daavettila didn't make the team, and it's because you don't actually know why and none of us ever will know exactly why. You just think that Russell missing out on a guy who wasn't going to turn the team around overnight is somehow proof of his recruiting incompetence.
Look at who Russell is bringing in now - have you even seen Steven Seigo play yet? He's been unusually good for a freshman d-man, and I can't wait to watch him in another year or two, along with guys like Schooley, Pietila, and Witt, who have all shown some promising shifts early on.
This is a very young team with 17 frosh/soph (including both starting goalies), and I think abruptly losing a Top 6 foward like Eric Kattelus, who was poised for a breakout year until he got suspended for who knows what, was a major issue early on for this year's team. They're going to have to battle, learn, get better mental discipline from the upperclassmen they do have, and try to improve as the season goes on. With some more experience for the younger guys, the potential for an upward finish to this season and a respectable 2010-2011 campaign is certainly there.
crazypotatoes
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
Agreed completely except for the bolded part. While I agree the Kattelus issue might have had an effect on the team, I don't think we should be citing it as an excuse for our record. We played the injury card all last year, so this year we don't really have any excuses. That said, epic post, I'd rep it if I could. I'd also like to point out that Russell has been successfully recruiting some really good players in the past couple years. Some made it to Tech (Baker, Olson, etc.), and some didn't due to circumstances that were out of Russell's hands (stupidity, NHL contract). Like I've said before, Tech doesn't have the recruiting power of Minnesota, Michigan, UND, etc., but Russell does a good job of recruiting regardless. I also think that with the money being put into the program (suites, future renovations, etc.), we will see a continued upward trend in the quality of our recruits.
crazytechfan
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
I just had an epiphany.
JSR is Daavettila!
I just had an epiphany.
JSR is Daavettila!
huskyfan
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
I find this statement utterly convincing. I have finally seen the light! Fire Russell immediately!
BUT DAAVETTILA WOULD HAVE TURNED THIS PROGRAM AROUND!!111!!1
I find this statement utterly convincing. I have finally seen the light! Fire Russell immediately!
Dirty
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
Jockstock is the better crazy ECHL player.
Jockstock is the better crazy ECHL player.
MacInnes Diehard
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Re: Michigan Tech 09-10 Season Thread: Let's go to Detroit. Twice.
Two big points against UMD tonight.
Genoe 48 saves? I think we have another Cam Ellsworth -- and another defensive squad from that era, too.
Two big points against UMD tonight.
Genoe 48 saves? I think we have another Cam Ellsworth -- and another defensive squad from that era, too.
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