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Marathon Killers Apprehended: the Aftermath

Please, FOX News would have been supporting the Brits as well...Adams would have been a hero.

Sigh... Do you really want to go there? Why do people always assume that they're on the golden path of righteousness :rolleyes:

Edit: do we REALLY want to enumerate some of the whack-tastic ideas spun out to excuse these two mongrels of their crimes or how somehow the real people to blame is the inherent mal-structure of American society :rolleyes:

Yeah, we should be the blame for the cultural rearing of a 16-year old escaping his second civil war.
 
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Sigh... Do you really want to go there? Why do people always assume that they're on the golden path of righteousness :rolleyes:

Edit: do we REALLY want to enumerate some of the whack-tastic ideas spun out to excuse these two mongrels of their crimes or how somehow the real people to blame is the inherent mal-structure of American society :rolleyes:

Yeah, we should be the blame for the cultural rearing of a 16-year old escaping his second civil war.

"This meeting of the Blame America First Club will come to order. We'll waive reading of the minutes from our last meeting and proceed to new business: why America (and possibly even Israel) is responsible for the Boston bombings. . ."

http://dcclothesline.com/2013/04/23...n-bombing-while-blaming-america-and-tel-aviv/

Now let's get a report from the "Anything But Islamism" committee

http://healthland.time.com/2013/04/23/cte/
 
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Sigh... Do you really want to go there? Why do people always assume that they're on the golden path of righteousness :rolleyes:

Edit: do we REALLY want to enumerate some of the whack-tastic ideas spun out to excuse these two mongrels of their crimes or how somehow the real people to blame is the inherent mal-structure of American society :rolleyes:

Yeah, we should be the blame for the cultural rearing of a 16-year old escaping his second civil war.

I think you're carrying our jocularity WAAAAAAY too far.

Paranoid much?
 
"This meeting of the Blame America First Club will come to order. We'll waive reading of the minutes from our last meeting and proceed to new business: why America (and possibly even Israel) is responsible for the Boston bombings. . ."

http://dcclothesline.com/2013/04/23...n-bombing-while-blaming-america-and-tel-aviv/

Now let's get a report from the "Anything But Islamism" committee

http://healthland.time.com/2013/04/23/cte/

Well you knew ths crap was going to start happening,

But blaming an extremely brief boxing career? Holy sh*t. That's taking idiot to a whole new level.
 
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Well you knew ths crap was going to start happening,

But blaming an extremely brief boxing career? Holy sh*t. That's taking idiot to a whole new level.

A whole cadre of boxers suffering from Dementia Pugilistica, setting off bombs all over the world. The important thing to remember here is to never mention Islamism or Islamic terrorism, ever.

IIRC, it took Susan Sontag and Ward Churchill about a week to blame America for 9/11.
 
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"This meeting of the Blame America First Club will come to order. We'll waive reading of the minutes from our last meeting and proceed to new business: why America (and possibly even Israel) is responsible for the Boston bombings. . ."

http://dcclothesline.com/2013/04/23...n-bombing-while-blaming-america-and-tel-aviv/

Now let's get a report from the "Anything But Islamism" committee

http://healthland.time.com/2013/04/23/cte/
Next we'll find out they are/were Yankee fans.
 
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A point s a point. No matter what era.

The exception that proves the rule? Besides, conservatives like things the way they used to be, but the 18th century? Clarence Darrow kept Leopold and Loeb from getting executed. Joseph Welch stood up to Joe McCarthy (and got a big part in "Anatomy of a Murder" as a reward). Johnny Cochran, oh never mind.
 
The exception that proves the rule? Besides, conservatives like things the way they used to be, but the 18th century? Clarence Darrow kept Leopold and Loeb from getting executed. Joseph Welch stood up to Joe McCarthy (and got a big part in "Anatomy of a Murder" as a reward). Johnny Cochran, oh never mind.

No. I was just throwing out an interesting piece of trivia. One that shows things are never black and white.

I'm not usually one to defend defense attorneys, but without them our Constitution and the principles of the Founding Fathers would never have gotten off the ground.

John Adams was a very interesting thinker and idealist. One who's views today would get him tarred and feathered by certain groups. He firmly, firmly believed in the rights of the defendants.
 
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Apparently not...

PC twisted to offensive means.

We were told endlessly after 9/11 not to retaliate against Muslims, etc. And the blowback didn't happen. And wasn't ever going to happen. But it was important for the usual suspects to suggest America was a roiling cauldron of anti-Islamic feelings. However, in a country with a population north of 300 million, we had a handful of incidents (that poor Sikh man who was assassinated in Texas). No jihad. There are more substantially more "hate" crimes reported against Jews than Muslims. The American people have shown they're quite capable of differentiating between a tiny handful of ruthless fanatics and the vast majority of Muslims. In fact, our tolerance may have enabled "Dr." Hasan to fly under the radar, even in the Army. And there are hints we may have also missed some major clues about Thing 1.
 
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No. I was just throwing out an interesting piece of trivia. One that shows things are never black and white.

I'm not usually one to defend defense attorneys, but without them our Constitution and the principles of the Founding Fathers would never have gotten off the ground.

John Adams was a very interesting thinker and idealist. One who's views today would get him tarred and feathered by certain groups. He firmly, firmly believed in the rights of the defendants.

I'll try to keep that in mind the next time some scumbag lawyer's advert comes on my TV (which should be in the next four or five minutes). The soaring homilies about the state having to prove its case and every man deserving a defense are inspirational and certainly valid. But to me it's always been a matter of the general and the specific. Take urban rioting, for instance. The General: these people are reacting to years of deprivation caused by slavery and white racism. The Specific: these idiots just burned down the only super market for miles around. While I may see some merit in the General argument. The Specific argument comes up a little short.

Another example: after the death of MLK, the rioting was explained (justified?) as rage, disappointment, etc. However, to me at least, that argument didn't really explain some dude who breaks a window somewhere to steal a TV.
 
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Another example: after the death of MLK, the rioting was explained (justified?) as rage, disappointment, etc. However, to me at least, that argument didn't really explain some dude who breaks a window somewhere to steal a TV.

Like the Rodney King riots (which by the way, had a larger participation from Hispanics than Blacks).
 
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Like the Rodney King riots (which by the way, had a larger participation from Hispanics than Blacks).

It was in LA, in the rioting after the King verdict, that the only super market for miles around was burned to the ground. "I guess that'll show Whitey." Recall that black owned businesses resorted to putting signs in their windows "black owned." The idea was to keep their investments and the work of their lifetimes from being incinerated by raging racist thugs.
 
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We were told endlessly after 9/11 not to retaliate against Muslims, etc. And the blowback didn't happen. And wasn't ever going to happen. But it was important for the usual suspects to suggest America was a roiling cauldron of anti-Islamic feelings. However, in a country with a population north of 300 million, we had a handful of incidents (that poor Sikh man who was assassinated in Texas). No jihad. There are more substantially more "hate" crimes reported against Jews than Muslims. The American people have shown they're quite capable of differentiating between a tiny handful of ruthless fanatics and the vast majority of Muslims. In fact, our tolerance may have enabled "Dr." Hasan to fly under the radar, even in the Army. And there are hints we may have also missed some major clues about Thing 1.


There is a superb story in today's Wall St. Journal about how NYPD and the Muslim community in NYC cooperate to keep the city safe. It should have been a warning sign in Boston when Tamerlan got into a shouting match with the imam in his mosque and then stormed out and quit. That would have set off red flags in NYC right away and the imam himself probably would have contacted the police.

In August 2007, Mr. Silber and Arvin Bhatt, then also an NYPD analyst, wrote what was then considered a controversial police-department report arguing that with the attrition of al Qaeda's leadership, the primary threat to New York would come from "homegrown" Muslims under the age of 35 who had become Islamists in the West.

Based on an analysis of 11 plots against Western targets between 9/11 and 2006, their report, "Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat," concluded that most of the plotters were "unremarkable" citizens who had undergone often rapid radicalization, 90% of them in the West. The analysts identified a pattern of radicalization and listed common characteristics before a person committed a terrorist act. The report also warned: "The Internet is a driver and enabler for . . . radicalization."

Since 2007, the NYPD has looked for such warning signs among New York's Muslim population of 600,000 to 750,000—about 40% of whom are foreign-born—as homegrown terrorist plots have increased. In 2005, there was one homegrown terrorist plot in the U.S.; by 2010, there had been 12.

Tim Connors served as an Army officer in Afghanistan and now works for CAAS LLC, a New York-based consulting company that, among other things, trains police officers. He says that Tamerlan Tsarnaev fit the NYPD's radicalization profile perfectly. "His behavioral changes alone—never mind his overseas trip and Russia's warning to the FBI that he was a radical—would have been more than enough to trigger NYPD scrutiny," Mr. Connors says.

For instance, Tamerlan experienced a "family crisis" when his father left his mother in 2010 and then returned home to Dagestan. The 2007 NYPD report warned that such incidents often trigger radicalization. He also began exhibiting what the report calls "self-identification," when a person begins exploring radical ideas and dramatically changing his behavior—for instance, "giving up cigarettes, drinking, gambling and urban hip-hop gangster clothes" in favor of "traditional Islamic clothing" and "growing a beard."

Another red flag would have been Tamerlan's ejection from his local mosque, the Islamic Society of Boston, as reported by the Los Angeles Times. The paper disclosed last week that the elder brother was thrown out of the mosque after a shouting match with the imam during a Friday prayer service. The paper quoted several worshipers as saying that Tamerlan had yelled at the imam for having cited Martin Luther King Jr. as a role model for Muslims. Tamerlan protested, the paper said, because King was "not a Muslim."

The NYPD report cites "withdrawal from the mosque" as an indication of the onset of the "indoctrination" phase of radicalization. That is when a believer rejects traditional Islamic mentors in favor of "Salafist," or more radical, fundamentalist preachers and friends.

In New York, Tamerlan Tsarnaev's mosque quarrel and his sudden behavioral changes might well have been reported by concerned worshipers, the imam himself, or other fellow Muslims. The NYPD maintains close ties to Muslim preachers and community leaders, as well as a network of tipsters and undercover operatives.
 
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