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Maine Summer 2013 - Pizza Season

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Now that Mongomery is going to DU I'm not buying those season tickets, huge disappointment.

I'm done with UM athletics period until things change drastically up there. I'll follow them through media reports but I am not spending one dime!!!!
 
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Wow, that's a kick in the nuts. Finally you guys get rid of Whitehead AND Montgomery takes a college coaching job...it's just not at Maine. OUCH.

Who knows, maybe Gwoz will end up in Orono. I mean heck the ECAC just put two teams in the NC game, so stranger things have happened...
 
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Maybe it went like this. Corkum was put in his position or applied for his position with full intention of one day replacing Whitehead. This only makes sense because why else would he suffer through 5 years of Whitehead incompetence? When Abbott came on board, it was explained to him, being a newbie at this AD stuff, that Bob was the preferred replacement for Whitehead sooner rather than later. This would have a been awhile ago, even before Jimmy starting having so much success at Dubuque. The die hard fans get more disgruntled with Whitehead while Corkum bides his time waiting. But there is a problem, a big problem. The die hards notice how good of a coaching job Jimmy is doing and see HIM as their next preferred coach, and its spread over the social media, and becomes coffee room buzz. "Hey Joe, cant wait till they chitcan Whitehead and we can get Montgomery and maybe even help from Standbrook back in Orono".

Abbott thinks he needs time to make this look proper so he says it will take weeks to get the right guy. He consults with Eric Weinrich and we dont who else on how to handle this whole thing. Shortly after Whitey is jettisoned, Montgomery gives Abbott a call out of courtesy, tells him he has had a few issues in the past, but they are behind him and he wants to move forward and is interested. Abbott now has his out. He can claim Jim has a sketchy past and use that as an excuse in the newspapers, so there now is no need to have to contact Jimmy, the fans choice as it were, and express UMaine interest. He can just let the thing take its own course, name Corkum as interim coach so he can slide into the permanent position at a later date after the smoke clears.

Jimmy is incensed though because he heard nothing from Abbott. He had talked with him earlier, but now that its time for the University to start to line up the ducks, there is nothing...at which point Montgomery throws his hat in earnest into the Denver arena knowing full well that something smells fishy in Orono, and not wanting to box himself out of a premium coaching position. He even gets help from his old boss at RPI who agrees to a late, new contract at RPI so that Jim now is the front runner at Denver and can snub his nose at his old school which totally fumbled the ball. You know, the same school that hired the guy that snubbed Standbrook, Jims part time long distance assistant.

Must not forget that Jim had reported much earlier in the paper something to the effect that "if the University was interested in him, he would certainly be interested in what they had to say". Translation, without coming right out and saying he wants the UMaine job, that is what he was saying, in spades.
 
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Glad to see this thread coming around to the original intent....pizza !

btw, all those out there expecting a free pizza from me for the U firing Whitehead...forget it now, they dropped the dough so bad you get chit.:)
 
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I think whoever the coach is next year deserves a chance. It's not the coach who was responsible for this whole process and I'm not quite sure how us not going to games is going to help the situation. The administration has been bad for quite awhile and its hard to see it improving anytime soon.
 
I think whoever the coach is next year deserves a chance. It's not the coach who was responsible for this whole process and I'm not quite sure how us not going to games is going to help the situation. The administration has been bad for quite awhile and its hard to see it improving anytime soon.

And he will.
If you dong think the locals will like Corkums message, passion on the bench and style of play you are wrong. He has a huge fan base in place and will win over rest. Few disgruntled fans adios
 
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I think whoever the coach is next year deserves a chance. It's not the coach who was responsible for this whole process and I'm not quite sure how us not going to games is going to help the situation. The administration has been bad for quite awhile and its hard to see it improving anytime soon.

It's because the Presidents have been bad for a while. Career administrator eggheads that are totally clueless on how to run a D-1 athletic program.
 
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The Whitehead firing makes no sense to me. If there isn't an undeniably great candidate, why did we dump a guy we have to pay 190,000 to no matter what and we could have severed ties with for NOTHING next year. We were in the tournament 2 years ago, battling BC for hockey east champs and had basically an NHL third line running as our top line. We lose Abbott and Flynn and there goes the bulk of last seasons offense and everyone turns on Whitehead. Now instead of having a headcoach solidly in place, we have the same goon guy corkum training the team in the offseason that has been shaping up these out of shape early season injury ridden teams. The lack of conditioning from what ive seen has been a huge complaint of everyone on this board. I just don't understand beyond the acquisition of a guy like Gwozdecky why you would have even done this now. I just don't see any immediate gain from this situation.
 
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And he will.
If you dong think the locals will like Corkums message, passion on the bench and style of play you are wrong. He has a huge fan base in place and will win over rest. Few disgruntled fans adios
We'll see if season tickets return to normal. You should understand that this forum is not the only place Maine fans go to talk about the program - it's just the most public. There are private message boards and email lists (some of us are still stuck in 1992) that you never see. Oh, that's right...you're a Maine fan. So you probably are on all those groups, right?

Not a lot of people are happy with the administration, not just the "Internet Nutcases" on this forum. This feeling of disappointment extends far beyond the USCHO Fan Forum. It has been misunderstood as just anger at losing Montgomery, but it goes much deeper than that. Maybe Corkum will end up being the long term coach, and maybe he will enjoy success. I care about the players and the program and will continue. On my last visit to Alfond I picked up an application to join FOMH and am considering season tickets regardless of who stands behind the bench. I would encourage people to remain engaged - or come back - and give the next coach a chance; but I'm not going to blame them for abandoning the school after the way the school has treated them.
 
We'll see if season tickets return to normal. You should understand that this forum is not the only place Maine fans go to talk about the program - it's just the most public. There are private message boards and email lists (some of us are still stuck in 1992) that you never see. Oh, that's right...you're a Maine fan. So you probably are on all those groups, right?

Not a lot of people are happy with the administration, not just the "Internet Nutcases" on this forum. This feeling of disappointment extends far beyond the USCHO Fan Forum. It has been misunderstood as just anger at losing Montgomery, but it goes much deeper than that. Maybe Corkum will end up being the long term coach, and maybe he will enjoy success. I care about the players and the program and will continue. On my last visit to Alfond I picked up an application to join FOMH and am considering season tickets regardless of who stands behind the bench. I would encourage people to remain engaged - or come back - and give the next coach a chance; but I'm not going to blame them for abandoning the school after the way the school has treated them.

I'm keeping my tickets but how excited I am will depend on who is named head coach. I think most peoples' frustration is because we can compare this whole process with Denver, who was able to fire their coach, narrow down the candidates, and hire the guy many of us wanted before we even contacted a single candidate. Even if they hadn't gotten Montgomery our athletic department looks pretty incompetent.
 
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I'm keeping my tickets but how excited I am will depend on who is named head coach. I think most peoples' frustration is because we can compare this whole process with Denver, who was able to fire thee coach, narrow down the candidates, and hire the guy many of us wanted before we even contacted a single candidate. Even I'd they hadn't gotten Montgomery our athletic department looks pretty incompetent.

It's an apples and oranges comparison. Denver is a private school with shed loads of money. Maine should do better but there are a lot of issues they face that Denver doesn't.
 
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I'm keeping my tickets but how excited I am will depend on who is named head coach. I think most peoples' frustration is because we can compare this whole process with Denver, who was able to fire thee coach, narrow down the candidates, and hire the guy many of us wanted before we even contacted a single candidate. Even I'd they hadn't gotten Montgomery our athletic department looks pretty incompetent.

Looks incompetent because it is. The whole University cant make a decision in a timely manner to save their lives. Its gd academia and paranoia of making the wrong decision, so no one ends up making any decision until absolutely forced to. Rather than taking the bull by the horns, each one of them can hide behind the others. Good thing successful businesses dont have to be run that way...because otherwise they'd be out of business in short order.
 
We'll see if season tickets return to normal. You should understand that this forum is not the only place Maine fans go to talk about the program - it's just the most public. There are private message boards and email lists (some of us are still stuck in 1992) that you never see. Oh, that's right...you're a Maine fan. So you probably are on all those groups, right?

Not a lot of people are happy with the administration, not just the "Internet Nutcases" on this forum. This feeling of disappointment extends far beyond the USCHO Fan Forum. It has been misunderstood as just anger at losing Montgomery, but it goes much deeper than that. Maybe Corkum will end up being the long term coach, and maybe he will enjoy success. I care about the players and the program and will continue. On my last visit to Alfond I picked up an application to join FOMH and am considering season tickets regardless of who stands behind the bench. I would encourage people to remain engaged - or come back - and give the next coach a chance; but I'm not going to blame them for abandoning the school after the way the school has treated them.


Agreed...

I would love to see the resume that states"lost Montgomery"

I don't see it

Compare the facts/track record to Quinn, bazin or leaman. Not in the same world.

Coaching high school kids on a loaded team with unlimited funds and ownership connections is not the same as going head to head with by and BC

What recruit would say no to either but instead say I want to play for Montgomery? They don't know him and he has no track record

He will do well at Denver as they have the facility and program

He ended up where he will do well. Not as sold if he ended up at maine
 
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It's an apples and oranges comparison. Denver is a private school with shed loads of money. Maine should do better but there are a lot of issues they face that Denver doesn't.

Money buys a competent athletic department? Not if you ask DU fans.

Nevertheless, that seems to be the real difference here. DU had a process. Not all of their fans agreed with it (understatement), but they had a process and the followed it. Maine seems to be making **** up as they go along. That's the real difference.

For example, what reason was there to fire Whitehead 2 weeks into April that *wasn't* already there last fall/winter? If you're going to make Corkum interim coach, why wait until the season is over to do it? Why not give yourself 3-4 months of contacting/courting potential hires, even if you are going to wait until post-season to actually run the search?

If all you care about is replacing Whitehead with someone -- anyone -- else, then all of this sounds like nit-picking. But if you were looking forward to the coaching change as an opportunity for the department to demonstrate a commitment to the program by starting to do things the right way . . .
 
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And he will.
If you dong think the locals will like Corkums message, passion on the bench and style of play you are wrong. He has a huge fan base in place and will win over rest. Few disgruntled fans adios

He may. But as you say, he's going to have to work at it, and he's gonna need to be successful right out of the gate.

Jimmy would have brought those fans back, and the increased enthusiasm and $$$$ from day one, the minute he's introduced on the ice. And that kinda enthusiasm would have afforded him a grace period should it take some time to right this mess that Whitehead made.

Corkum, for all his strengths as a coach, isn't gonna have that wild enthusiastic backing from the very first time he's introduced on the ice as the head coach, and certainly won't have any kind of grace period. Like it or not, there's gonna be suspicion of his abilities based on what he's done the last five years. If he stumbles coming out of the gate, expect the boobirds to be there in full force.
 
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The Whitehead firing makes no sense to me. If there isn't an undeniably great candidate, why did we dump a guy we have to pay 190,000 to no matter what and we could have severed ties with for NOTHING next year...... I just don't see any immediate gain from this situation.
You're certifiably nuts if you truly believe Whitehead's firing makes no sense. Once the Walsh halo effect wore off (took several years), his record sank. His performance was weak and ineffective. AND he basically gave Standbrook a size 11 in the a55. Corkum may not be the guy, but he's anything but a "goon guy". The Whitehead firing makes all the sense in the world. He'd run the program into the ground.

Now if you were a DU fan, and wrote that the Gwoz firing makes no sense to you, then Amen. But guess what? DU didn't have "an undeniably great candidate" on their doorstep. They held a national search, did so very quickly and professionally, didn't name an interim head coach btw, and came to a quick smart, positive conclusion. Apparently, Montgomery will be announced as their new head coach tomorrow morning. Firing Gwoz was a grade "A" stupid decision and showed incredibly poor judgment. Stating a course of action to replace him and executing it quickly is highly commendable, especially if they got Montgomery or Appert. What Maine has done with their situation so far in the 5 days after canning Whitehead is laughable and embarrassing in the absolute and in comparison.
 
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The Whitehead firing makes no sense to me. If there isn't an undeniably great candidate, why did we dump a guy we have to pay 190,000 to no matter what and we could have severed ties with for NOTHING next year. We were in the tournament 2 years ago, battling BC for hockey east champs and had basically an NHL third line running as our top line. We lose Abbott and Flynn and there goes the bulk of last seasons offense and everyone turns on Whitehead. Now instead of having a headcoach solidly in place, we have the same goon guy corkum training the team in the offseason that has been shaping up these out of shape early season injury ridden teams. The lack of conditioning from what ive seen has been a huge complaint of everyone on this board. I just don't understand beyond the acquisition of a guy like Gwozdecky why you would have even done this now. I just don't see any immediate gain from this situation.

I agree with most of this post. As we see it right now there is no gain. But just perhaps the process is still on going. I understand dismissing Tim due to ticket sales, but of this moment, the increase in ticket sales is not going to be all that significant. However, if the team puts together a win streak early in the season, people will be buying tickets. How did you get all of those red chiclets, you make too much sense?
 
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It's good to remain possitive and I hope the program is successful going forward.
2 or 3 fans saying 75 times they screwed up is not the "Maine fan base". It us the opinion of 2 or 3 posters. I have spoken to several today including a couple ex NHL guys from Maine who 100% support the move. Said one made 5 million in NHL and other made zero. One over achieved other couldn't get it done. Said throw the puck in the corner and Corkum would come out with it. Corkum was one of the keys to Walsh putting Maine on the nap when the program sucked and will do it again
 
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