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Maine Recruit Updates: Monarchs and More......

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An awful D1 hockey player scored the game-winner at a barn where Maine had only won two games since the doors opened. So yeah a blind squirrel finds a nut now and again, but "awful D1 hockey player" and "not good D1 defenseman" is just over dramatic and not true.
 
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Instead of blindly checking the box score, try to remember how many times he makes blind passes and coughs the puck up.
 
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Wow
Pryor has got a peeing contest going on here. He was pretty highly thought of by Wisconsin before something happened and he changed his mind and came to Maine. Not sure he has lived up to that hype but maybe that hype wasn't fair. I do believe injuries have hurt him and his development, Tommy Reimann is a decent comparison. A few knocks to the noggin might change the way you play,more tentative or at least I would be. I don't believe he is an awful D1 Dman, I don't think he is a great one either. He is tentative in his own zone but part of that is not getting comfortable due to lack of playing time, injuries, what have you. The question is, who on the team is better that isn't playing? Who are you going to insert instead of him? Rutt is your only choice and Rutt is getting some time. The thought that Hegerty is awful just makes me laugh, he turns the puck over also but he is far from awful. I think KIA said what do you expect from a bulldog told to play like a toy poodle.
One other thing, is it his fault for not developing? Do you really think he isn't paying attention in practice? I doubt thats the case, in fact I highly doubt it
 
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walrus said:
Wow
Pryor has got a peeing contest going on here. He was pretty highly thought of by Wisconsin before something happened and he changed his mind and came to Maine. Not sure he has lived up to that hype but maybe that hype wasn't fair. I do believe injuries have hurt him and his development, Tommy Reimann is a decent comparison. A few knocks to the noggin might change the way you play,more tentative or at least I would be. I don't believe he is an awful D1 Dman, I don't think he is a great one either. He is tentative in his own zone but part of that is not getting comfortable due to lack of playing time, injuries, what have you. The question is, who on the team is better that isn't playing? Who are you going to insert instead of him? Rutt is your only choice and Rutt is getting some time. The thought that Hegerty is awful just makes me laugh, he turns the puck over also but he is far from awful. I think KIA said what do you expect from a bulldog told to play like a toy poodle.
One other thing, is it his fault for not developing? Do you really think he isn't paying attention in practice? I doubt thats the case, in fact I highly doubt it
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Not saying there are better options on the current team. It is the coaching staff's responsibility to recruit players who don't cough the puck up in their own zone.
 
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irishfan85 said:
Not saying there are better options on the current team. It is the coaching staff's responsibility to recruit players who don't cough the puck up in their own zone.
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You have to play the hand you have. Would I like to see a Jeff Libby or a Brian White or a..... Yeah, but they aren't here
 
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So who's fault is that? Wally, I know you've supported this team a long time and not trying to argue with you, but my whole point is we need a talent upgrade especially on the blue line.
 
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“@mnprospects: Eagan D-man Sam Wolfe has committed to Maine. He’s the 2nd MN product they have acquired as Eric Schurhamer of St. Thomas committed last Nov”

“@ChrisDilks: Wolfe was really solid when I watched him vs. Hill. He's really stepped it up to another level recently.”
 
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irishfan85 said:
So who's fault is that? Wally, I know you've supported this team a long time and not trying to argue with you, but my whole point is we need a talent upgrade especially on the blue line.
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Its obvious who's fault it is(not Nicks). We'll see what happens after the season ends. Until then, Nick is going to play and I;m sure do the best he can
 
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irishfan85 said:
I'm also sick of the never ending pipeline to the Jr. Monarchs. The Jr. Monarchs have a great coach and are one of the best programs in the EJHL. However, do you see any other team in HE with so many players from the EJHL on their team? Maine has more kids from the Monarchs (8) than any other HE team has kids from the entire EJHL (6). Maine has 10 EJ kids in total.
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^This. Other than Grandpa Gilroy, has anyone from that league done anything? Start recruiting from real junior leagues or New England Prep schools and you'll get back to the good old days (and maybe even do it without cheating this time.)
 
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timp said:
^this. Other than grandpa gilroy, has anyone from that league done anything? Start recruiting from real junior leagues or new england prep schools and you'll get back to the good old days (and maybe even do it without cheating this time.)
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*yawn*
 
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irishfan85 said:
I'm so sick of hearing about nice kids. Pryor is a nice kid, as are most of the kids on this version of the Black Bears. The problem is there are nice kids on BU, BC and Merrimack. It is not mutually exclusive. You can have nice kids who do well academically that are also good hockey players. Remember Jim Leger? He was great on the PK and was a tenacious worker on some good UMaine teams. He won the Humanitarian Award. The Kariya's all did well academically. As someone who's followed college hockey since the 80s, I've seen lots of good hockey teams and lots of good hockey teams with nice kids. For recent examples, Merrimack has taken a kid with cancer under their wings. BU has worn a blue patch for a foundation. Western Michigan adopted a kid with cancer last year.

Pryor is a good kid, but an awful Division I hockey player. Just watch the turnovers. The defense has several guys who are good on the PP and good offensively, but they aren't necessarily good Division I defenseman.

I'm also sick of the never ending pipeline to the Jr. Monarchs. The Jr. Monarchs have a great coach and are one of the best programs in the EJHL. However, do you see any other team in HE with so many players from the EJHL on their team? Maine has more kids from the Monarchs (8) than any other HE team has kids from the entire EJHL (6). Maine has 10 EJ kids in total.

Flynn has turned out to be a hell of a hockey player. Mangene is a tenacious player who flies on the ice. Great finds by the coaching staff. But it strikes me as either lazy or working with very little recruiting budget. Either scenario isn't pretty. One shows poor work ethic. One shows the university isn't committed to hockey excellence like it once was.

When Maine had their best teams, did they ever have more than 5 guys on the team from the EJ? Somehow, I doubt it. I also doubt BC or BU won NCAA Titles last decade with more than 5 guys from the EJ. BU had five EJ guys on their 09 team. Only Higgins and Matt Gilroy played important roles. Ruika and Gaudet didn't play and Kevin Gilroy played in less than one third the games with 2 points. In other words, all of those guys but Higgins were originally walk-ons. Matt Gilroy earned a scholarship and won the Hobey Baker, but those other three were just local kids who were walk-ons.
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Who from the Jr. Monarchs should Maine not have recruited? Its hard to tell how good of value a player is without knowing what they're getting for money. I'll definitely take Jr. Monarchs over rubbish swedes any day of the week. And just an FYI, the player you're trashing, Pryor, came from the USHL.
 
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Drew S. said:
Who from the Jr. Monarchs should Maine not have recruited? Its hard to tell how good of value a player is without knowing what they're getting for money. I'll definitely take Jr. Monarchs over rubbish swedes any day of the week. And just an FYI, the player you're trashing, Pryor, came from the USHL.
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I know where Pryor came from. I also know that the product on the ice is garbage compared to what it was from 91-06. Can you argue that? The difference is recruiting.
 
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We've won a few games and the apologists are back out in full force. Remember we missed the NCAAs 4 years in a row.
 
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irishfan85 said:
I know where Pryor came from. I also know that the product on the ice is garbage compared to what it was from 91-06. Can you argue that? The difference is recruiting.
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Name a single team in college hockey this season that would have gone .500 in a decent conference in the 90's. It doesn't exist. The ENTIRE college game is a shadow of itself.
 
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AMC said:
Name a single team in college hockey this season that would have gone .500 in a decent conference in the 90's. It doesn't exist. The ENTIRE college game is a shadow of itself.
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i think you are correct.
there are no teams with 6 current players who will all make NHL rosters.
most teams have 1 or 2 max.

this is why that BU team from a couple years ago was special...
 
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Would Pryor make the Merrimack team? No. Would Walsh have cringed at the fact that for two years running, Merrimack either took the season series or eliminated Maine from the playoffs? Think that would have ever happened? Think Maine would have been the 8th seed in the HE Tourney? If college hockey is so down (I agree) why can't Maine capitalize and do some damage? You know why? The coach stinks.
 
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Drew S. said:
Who from the Jr. Monarchs should Maine not have recruited? Its hard to tell how good of value a player is without knowing what they're getting for money. I'll definitely take Jr. Monarchs over rubbish swedes any day of the week. And just an FYI, the player you're trashing, Pryor, came from the USHL.
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Agreed. Anyone want to throw back Flynn? Mangene? Beattie? Nemec? Cornell? Rutt?

Quite frankly, if it weren't for Jr. Monarch players.......Maine would be up Sh*t Creek.
 
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