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Maine Offseason 2020: We Stay Home But Swayman Leaves

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I dont know if Guite’s any good. I’m torn.

I was in favor of trying Corkum since I felt that team had talent and was being coached poorly. They didnt do it. Since that was one of Red’s best teams, maybeI was right.

Now I see the players as an issue moreso than the coaching. So I don’t know if Guite’s an answer.

I also don’t think it worked out well hiring the guy here instead of searching in 2001. And that guy had head coaching experience + a year to run the show.

But like I’ve said all along, you gotta be willing to try. So try Guite and if he sucks can him and try someone else, I guess.

But UMass just won a frickin national title so don’t tell me you can’t build a program and whine a out resources
 
What tournament are you guys talking about? The Hockey East tournament? If you're talking about last year, Maine finished #15 in the PWR before the Hockey East tournament got canned. That's a very tenuous NCAA tournament position with no guarantee they would get in. But I guess you'd technically be right in that Atlantic Hockey was set to be #16 overall.

umhockey91, I didn't say Barr to Maine wouldn't happen. I am just going off what you guys have said about there being no money. If that is the case then I don't think it will happen.


You missed it Maine was awarded the 2020 natty in Drew land. Group that never won a single HE quarterfinal game was def going to the Garden and then to the FF
 
In things that make you go Hmmm Bob Corkum resigned as coach of the US womens under 18 team today. Its like 2 weeks before the worlds so....something could be up
 
In things that make you go Hmmm Bob Corkum resigned as coach of the US womens under 18 team today. Its like 2 weeks before the worlds so....something could be up

That is really odd. For me he would make much less sense than Ben given he has been out of the college game for so long. As far as I’m aware he doesn’t have any connections with Ralph either. I guess stranger things have happened.
 
Sure, Maine had a remote shot at the NCAA's a couple of years ago (via Sway), but it was indeed remote shot. The various AQ's would almost certainly have ousted them before the fact, anyway.

Now, Maine has a chance to reverse the hopeless tack the program has taken. Hiring a Red guy in Guite does not appear to be helpful. It's gonna take years to get back to relevance no matter how you slice it, and more of the same isn't the answer, clearly.
 
I misspoke, Corkum was HC of the USWNT, not the U18 team. So he’s missing the Olympics now. Hope everything is alright health and family wise.....you’d think it’d have to be a huge event or opportunity to skip a gauranteed silver or gold medal
 
This program is going to need a coach who has a pipeline to some actual talent, and a Timmy-style purge of half of Maine's awful roster. It's going to have to be drastic, it won't work otherwise.
 
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This program is going to need a coach who has a pipeline to some actual talent, and a Timmy-style purge of half of Maine's awful roster. It's going to have to be drastic, it won't work otherwise.

I’m not sure they need a drastic purge. If they went that route who do you have in mind getting rid of? More than anything else they need to consistently bring in productive players year in year out.

If you go back in time there was a big drop off from 2003 to 2004 and then a gigantic drop off from 2004 to 2005. Since then Maine has had one great class in 2008, a couple decent classes, and a lot of mediocre ones. Obviously you’re not going to have much success when you’re missing that often.

If you think Red’s recruiting is bad have a look at Heisenberg’s 2013 page. It is truly shocking.
 
I don’t understand how you can say that when they made the NCAA’s the last time there was a full season.

Did you see Sway had a shutout in the freakin' NHL last night. You must be blind if you don't understand how good Sway was in Orono. Goalies can carry a team and Sway did that in Orono
 
I’m not sure they need a drastic purge. If they went that route who do you have in mind getting rid of? More than anything else they need to consistently bring in productive players year in year out.

If you go back in time there was a big drop off from 2003 to 2004 and then a gigantic drop off from 2004 to 2005. Since then Maine has had one great class in 2008, a couple decent classes, and a lot of mediocre ones. Obviously you’re not going to have much success when you’re missing that often.

If you think Red’s recruiting is bad have a look at Heisenberg’s 2013 page. It is truly shocking.

Where I bolded is the problem.....Aiming for mediocrity won’t get me back in the seats. Watching the best goalie in college hockey defend against the visiting teams nightly PP practice was the only reason I kept season tix that last year of normalcy.
 
I can't imagine the stuff that is going on behind the scenes as it concerns the future of the UM Hockey program. While money might be tight and the program might be down.....let's not kid ourselves......this is still a very attractive college hockey head coaching position. There are only so many of them.....and this is one of the better ones in terms of visibility, fan support and future improvements to facilities.
 
I've never been a fan of his, even last time when Red was hired, so I can't disagree with this ...

I'm not either! This re-enforces it for me (his quitting the team)! When Tim left and he was lobbying for the position he was going to play "smash mouth" hockey. Those days are long gone in Hockey East.
 
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I can't imagine the stuff that is going on behind the scenes as it concerns the future of the UM Hockey program. While money might be tight and the program might be down.....let's not kid ourselves......this is still a very attractive college hockey head coaching position. There are only so many of them.....and this is one of the better ones in terms of visibility, fan support and future improvements to facilities.

OK so again, I'm here in peace, and just trying to add a neutral's perspective to this looming hire, which has now become an even more compelling situation in the wake of the events of the last couple of weeks. I don't want anyone to take any of my comments as an attack on your program, the school OR the area. So with that disclaimer, I have to chime in on the above ...

I do think UMaine has carved out a unique position in the D-1 hockey world, but I respectfully disagree that UMaine presents itself as an exceptional head coaching opportunity. If you believe that, then you pretty much have to buy into a place like Lake State being a parallel type situation, where they enjoyed a protracted stretch of success under an iconic coach about a generation ago, and when the iconic coach wasn't there any longer, the program drifted off into mediocrity and isolation in their remote location. I'm not saying the potential isn't there with a rabid but dormant local fan base starved for a return of the old success - there clearly is, no doubt about it. But "one of the better ones"? Money is tight, the program is a mess, there's no guarantee on the facilities being improved (see money is tight) and if "visibility" means you are a big deal in a remote northern outpost, but no one near civilization many hours away knows you even exist, maybe you're right?

The potential is there. UMaine Hockey was huge for a couple of decades, it can be again. But it's been a generation almost since the "glory days", and the longer that time slides away, the less contact you have left in the area to reconnect with the "glory days". UNH - which has been in the D-1 Hockey game longer than UMaine, thus with deeper roots - is experiencing the same thing. In a bizarre way, UMaine's history under Walshy almost works against it that way. If UMaine does succeed in luring the next big deal in D-1 coaching to come to Orono, they will forever be compared against the Walshy/Standbrook juggernauts. If that same guy were to go to UNH, then he knows if he wins big, no one is going to be comparing him to Umile or Holt - he wins, hands down.

A guy like Montgomery makes sense (if he's willing to go for it) mostly because he knows the place, he played for Walshy, he's shown he can coach and be successful at the Walsh level, and would embrace being seen as connected by history with Walsh. Some guy like Barr (for example) has already won as an assistant at 3 other places, why does he need UMaine and why deal with comparisons to some guy no one will ever think you can match? Monty doesn't have that.

Again, this is not meant to degrade UMaine or the hockey program or its current or future occupant(s). Someone will be the next coach - whether that's Guite or someone else, we'll find out soon enough. They'll say this is their dream job, and that it's a great program with great history, like every new HC ever always does. But if you think it's "one of the better ones" I don't think I can agree with that? Most kids nowadays don't remember when UMaine mattered (ditto UNH) and the longer that goes on, the harder it gets to return to and restore past glories. For the most part, as of now, it probably means a lot less to future HC candidates now than you think, other than as check-off lines for their job interviews (and if they're chosen, their first presser) so the AD and the fans know you've done your homework. and honor your history.

The good news is that magic can still happen at weird places in D-1 hockey. Other than the Duluth run in recent years, a lot of newbies have been in the mix. That matters, both in Orono and Durham, because the "glory days" you/we remember as if they were yesterday, sadly do not register on the consciousness of the modern day casual college hockey fan. So places like UMaine (and Lake State) are pretty much seen as "newbies" in the same way as places like Union, PC, Yale and UMass used to be seen a few short years ago. JMHO.
 
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