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Maine @ New Hampshire

Re: Maine @ New Hampshire

the more things change...

Average effort from what I saw on TV ( they finally have high def!). Neither team played great, but the Maine tender bailed them out and desmith looked below average on those bad shots. A few good saves on both ends. UNH D on the PP - really? 3 guys focusing on the puck carrier and no one following the trailer? come on, your better than that. I donno the lineup but did UNH use forwards on their points like BC does?

Maine looked opportunistic, and UNH looked like a good effort at times and bad at others. Conditioning is the big "rumor" amongst NHL scouts when it comes to UNH...is this why we see their second half almost always decline? I think they'll clean it up for the tourny like they have been the last few years.

You obviously haven't seen much of Maine this year. That was the best game (bar the last few minutes) they've played all season. They out hustled, out hit and out played UHN for 55 minutes. Marty made some good saves, but he didn't "bail them out". You guys got spanked by an inferior team. Period.
 
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You obviously haven't seen much of Maine this year. That was the best game (bar the last few minutes) they've played all season. They out hustled, out hit and out played UHN for 55 minutes. Marty made some good saves, but he didn't "bail them out". You guys got spanked by an inferior team. Period.

Agree with CK. Sadly, not atypical of UNH this year. Any special significance to Maine leave ice without shaking hands? Heard it is customary for some teams when there is another game in same rink the next day.
 
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Agree with CK. Sadly, not atypical of UNH this year. Any special significance to Maine leave ice without shaking hands? Heard it is customary for some teams when there is another game in same rink the next day.

In Hockey East they shake after each game. there was a scrum at the end of the game and the players thought the refs told them to clear the ice. Misunderstanding.
 
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this was my second game watching all year so I don't have much to judge on. Overall it seemed like an average effort from UNH and a better than average effort from Maine for most of the game. after 2 I think maine led in every category including shots, faceoffs?
 
Re: Maine @ New Hampshire

the more things change...

Average effort from what I saw on TV ( they finally have high def!). Neither team played great, but the Maine tender bailed them out and desmith looked below average on those bad shots. A few good saves on both ends. UNH D on the PP - really? 3 guys focusing on the puck carrier and no one following the trailer? come on, your better than that. I donno the lineup but did UNH use forwards on their points like BC does?

Maine looked opportunistic, and UNH looked like a good effort at times and bad at others. Conditioning is the big "rumor" amongst NHL scouts when it comes to UNH...is this why we see their second half almost always decline? I think they'll clean it up for the tourny like they have been the last few years.

I don't think conditioning was much of a factor last night since UNH played their worst hockey in the first 2/3 of the game. Problem with UNH is that they have no stones. I know Maine was "playing for their playoff lives" but UNH is at home, in front of an almost full house, and just came out flat. The SHG was unacceptable, just unacceptable. They keep it to a one goal game, come out in the second and do absolutely nothing. Too much freelancing as more than once I saw UNH come in the zone with numbers, they don't spread out, so the puck carrier takes the shot. Defensively there were not enough sticks on pucks. The forwards were lazy defensively.

It's probably too late in the game for this message to get through, but UNH does not have great individual offensive talent. Never mind JVR, Krog or Haydar, there is no one on this team that approximates the skill level of Butler or Thompson (or even Sislo and DeSimone). They had success early on because they played solid team defense, players appeared to know their roles, and they executed them. Now everybody seems to think they are a star. Prime example is Hardowa. Two weeks ago in Vermont he cost the team a goal when he tried to stickhandle through three guys, creating a 2-on-1 the other way. Last night he did the same thing twice. Goumas is another one. One piece of advice Kevin, stop being a puck hog, use your line mates, they have as much talent as you do and will make you a better player if you recognize this.

If UNH loses again tonight, I fear my glass is half empty prediction of two weeks ago will come true. Fifth place finish, lose in two in the quarterfinals, sit around for two weeks and get beat with a lackluster effort in Manchester. It's happened before, the handwriting is on the wall.
 
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I don't think conditioning was much of a factor last night since UNH played their worst hockey in the first 2/3 of the game. Problem with UNH is that they have no stones. I know Maine was "playing for their playoff lives" but UNH is at home, in front of an almost full house, and just came out flat. The SHG was unacceptable, just unacceptable. They keep it to a one goal game, come out in the second and do absolutely nothing. Too much freelancing as more than once I saw UNH come in the zone with numbers, they don't spread out, so the puck carrier takes the shot. Defensively there were not enough sticks on pucks. The forwards were lazy defensively.

It's probably too late in the game for this message to get through, but UNH does not have great individual offensive talent. Never mind JVR, Krog or Haydar, there is no one on this team that approximates the skill level of Butler or Thompson (or even Sislo and DeSimone). They had success early on because they played solid team defense, players appeared to know their roles, and they executed them. Now everybody seems to think they are a star. Prime example is Hardowa. Two weeks ago in Vermont he cost the team a goal when he tried to stickhandle through three guys, creating a 2-on-1 the other way. Last night he did the same thing twice. Goumas is another one. One piece of advice Kevin, stop being a puck hog, use your line mates, they have as much talent as you do and will make you a better player if you recognize this.

If UNH loses again tonight, I fear my glass is half empty prediction of two weeks ago will come true. Fifth place finish, lose in two in the quarterfinals, sit around for two weeks and get beat with a lackluster effort in Manchester. It's happened before, the handwriting is on the wall.

Wow, Greg .. spot on, AND on all accounts. Not sure we have ever seen things so eye-to-eye before. :eek: :) But you nailed it 100% with this one, for sure.
 
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this was my second game watching all year so I don't have much to judge on. Overall it seemed like an average effort from UNH and a better than average effort from Maine for most of the game. after 2 I think maine led in every category including shots, faceoffs?
Finally a UNH fan that gives Maine some credit for taking it to UNH.
 
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Serious question for the UHNers. I haven't been following your season thread much, but at what point is there going to be a call for whistlin Dick's job? It seems like most every year you guys vastly under achieve esp in the post season. The talent seems to be there year after year, but it's like watching a bad re-run. At least we're on the verge of saying goodbye to TIMMAY. How much more can your fan base take before Dick is shown the door?
 
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Serious question for the UHNers. I haven't been following your season thread much, but at what point is there going to be a call for whistlin Dick's job? It seems like most every year you guys vastly under achieve esp in the post season. The talent seems to be there year after year, but it's like watching a bad re-run. At least we're on the verge of saying goodbye to TIMMAY. How much more can your fan base take before Dick is shown the door?

Coach Umile will be there as long as he wants to. Wins too much to be let go ... unfortunately just not at the right time of the season.

Talent level at UNH is not what it used to be, but the bad re-run thing definitely does apply.

Wally - sorry for not complimenting UMaine's performance last night. No question, they deserved their win. Frankly, if they face UNH in the quarters, I'm worried. Good goalie, improving defense, opportunistic and fiesty forwards. Bad combination for UNH.
 
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Wally - sorry for not complimenting UMaine's performance last night. No question, they deserved their win. Frankly, if they face UNH in the quarters, I'm worried. Good goalie, improving defense, opportunistic and fiesty forwards. Bad combination for UNH.
Maine skated with UNH, which shocked the hell out of me and deserves some credit for doing so. UNH is still a better team but Maine might have the edge in goaltending which we all know is the great equalizer.
 
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I don't think conditioning was much of a factor last night since UNH played their worst hockey in the first 2/3 of the game. Problem with UNH is that they have no stones. I know Maine was "playing for their playoff lives" but UNH is at home, in front of an almost full house, and just came out flat. The SHG was unacceptable, just unacceptable. They keep it to a one goal game, come out in the second and do absolutely nothing. Too much freelancing as more than once I saw UNH come in the zone with numbers, they don't spread out, so the puck carrier takes the shot. Defensively there were not enough sticks on pucks. The forwards were lazy defensively.

It's probably too late in the game for this message to get through, but UNH does not have great individual offensive talent. Never mind JVR, Krog or Haydar, there is no one on this team that approximates the skill level of Butler or Thompson (or even Sislo and DeSimone). They had success early on because they played solid team defense, players appeared to know their roles, and they executed them. Now everybody seems to think they are a star. Prime example is Hardowa. Two weeks ago in Vermont he cost the team a goal when he tried to stickhandle through three guys, creating a 2-on-1 the other way. Last night he did the same thing twice. Goumas is another one. One piece of advice Kevin, stop being a puck hog, use your line mates, they have as much talent as you do and will make you a better player if you recognize this.

If UNH loses again tonight, I fear my glass is half empty prediction of two weeks ago will come true. Fifth place finish, lose in two in the quarterfinals, sit around for two weeks and get beat with a lackluster effort in Manchester. It's happened before, the handwriting is on the wall.

During Friday’s telecast Ken Hodge quoted Umile as saying it was the best defensive team he has ever had but they surely left it in the locker last night. Give Maine the credit they deserve, they outplay the Cats for 55-minutes.
 
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All credit to Maine. You took it to us like these friggin Nor'easters we've been having. Pressure is definitley on UNH tonight to respond. GO CATS!
 
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...Goumas is another one. One piece of advice Kevin, stop being a puck hog, use your line mates, they have as much talent as you do and will make you a better player if you recognize this....
Respectfully disagree with this part. Talent and effort wise Goumas is UNH's best player by far. He's looking for opportunities like a team mate going to the net. I don't have time to check the stats right now (gotta head back to campus, Senior day after all), but this was the idea having Burke on the same line earlier in the year.
 
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Respectfully disagree with this part. Talent and effort wise Goumas is UNH's best player by far. He's looking for opportunities like a team mate going to the net. I don't have time to check the stats right now (gotta head back to campus, Senior day after all), but this was the idea having Burke on the same line earlier in the year.

Goumas has 10 goals and 27 assists. Puck hog?? Seriously Greg?? :rolleyes:
 
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Goumas has 10 goals and 27 assists. Puck hog?? Seriously Greg?? :rolleyes:

I see Goumas making too many end-to-end rushes for the better part of the last month, Scott. I'm not one to sweat too much about stats, but I'd bet a fair amount that most of those assists were before February. His scoring has fallen off during the same stretch. He is probably trying too hard, and just not trusting his teammates enough. I don't think anyone is saying Goumas is evil (GIS?) ... but maybe Darius has a point, and Burke's absence has had the biggest impact on Goumas?

He is a very talented player, no doubt. Maybe the most talented forward UNH has. But his production has fallen off lately. He has company with that, though, so I'm not looking to scapegoat him here. TVR is another player who seems to be trying to do too much on the puck over the last month-plus. If anything, they are two of the most talented kids on the team, and to their credit, they are probably trying to step up and "carry" the team. But it's not working out that way, when just playing their roles as they were doing earlier in the season *may* just be what the doctor ordered. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :)

FWIW, I got into Knodel pretty bad after the first BC game, but credit where credit is due, it was a bad game for him, and he's bounced back nicely, and enjoyed a better season than anyone here had any right to expect him to have. There have been more good things than bad this season, but it's always distressing when a group of players consistently cannot overcome the same obstacles in the same settings. Maybe things will change? I live and wait in endless, naive hope ... :D
 
I see Goumas making too many end-to-end rushes for the better part of the last month, Scott. I'm not one to sweat too much about stats, but I'd bet a fair amount that most of those assists were before February. His scoring has fallen off during the same stretch. He is probably trying too hard, and just not trusting his teammates enough. I don't think anyone is saying Goumas is evil (GIS?) ... but maybe Darius has a point, and Burke's absence has had the biggest impact on Goumas?

He is a very talented player, no doubt. Maybe the most talented forward UNH has. But his production has fallen off lately. He has company with that, though, so I'm not looking to scapegoat him here. TVR is another player who seems to be trying to do too much on the puck over the last month-plus. If anything, they are two of the most talented kids on the team, and to their credit, they are probably trying to step up and "carry" the team. But it's not working out that way, when just playing their roles as they were doing earlier in the season *may* just be what the doctor ordered. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. :)

FWIW, I got into Knodel pretty bad after the first BC game, but credit where credit is due, it was a bad game for him, and he's bounced back nicely, and enjoyed a better season than anyone here had any right to expect him to have. There have been more good things than bad this season, but it's always distressing when a group of players consistently cannot overcome the same obstacles in the same settings. Maybe things will change? I live and wait in endless, naive hope ... :D
The Correale - Goumas - Willows line is not working. The theory is for the wingers to win the battles on the boards and get the puck to Goumas. I get it in theory, but its not working. Time to shake up the lines again, Mr Umile
 
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I got to watch one of the BU at UMO games on TV a few weeks back, and assessed that neither team was accurately assessed by their records: BU was a train wreck, and UMO has all the spunk in the world and focuses on winning all the little battles. That was the same team that showed up last night. They got and kept control by winning board battles, face-offs and checks (except with Knodel, I love that tree trunk).

Sure enough, that got the boys in white cranky. Apparently only one of the two teams was properly informed that UNH was entitled to win that game.
 
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I see Goumas making too many end-to-end rushes for the better part of the last month, Scott. I'm not one to sweat too much about stats, but I'd bet a fair amount that most of those assists were before February. His scoring has fallen off during the same stretch. He is probably trying too hard, and just not trusting his teammates enough. I don't think anyone is saying Goumas is evil (GIS?) ... but maybe Darius has a point, and Burke's absence has had the biggest impact on Goumas?

As soon as the team is down, they scramble into a lot of one man heroics - I think Downing is starting to get the same bad habits that Goumas has in this respect, but I see it from everyone. Frantic squirrels once they're behind in a game. When the team isn't in that mentality, it seems like they rely primarily on a diagonal pass through the neutral zone on a transition play. On Olympic-width ice. I get that you might exploit a break in coverage with that play, but on our sheet it seems to get made up for by the opposing D falling back while the puck takes the scenic route from board to board.
 
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You obviously haven't seen much of Maine this year. That was the best game (bar the last few minutes) they've played all season. They out hustled, out hit and out played UHN for 55 minutes. Marty made some good saves, but he didn't "bail them out". You guys got spanked by an inferior team. Period.

I thought that this was a bit of a snooze fest. The 2 x BC games were the best of the season as the club was forechecking hard and crisper passing........
 
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I thought that this was a bit of a snooze fest. The 2 x BC games were the best of the season as the club was forechecking hard and crisper passing........
You could make that argument. But last nights game was far from a snooze fest.
 
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