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Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
Hey.....thanks for the week old news Mahoney!
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Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
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Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
Nonni Daly confirmed with Bob Beers that he will be playing the first period of the Bruins-Black Bears alumni game and then heading back to Boston to broadcast that night's Red Wings @ Bruins game. Given the time it takes to travel, I am going to guess the game will start at 1 or 2. Bob is slated to appear for the Bruins alumni, which makes sense as they probably have more roster spots available than the Black Bears do. With the game being in the afternoon, it would be great if Red could bring the boys down for the game in Lewiston. Any chance the team has to be around these alumni (not to mention some of the Bruins alumni) is a good thing.
Nonni Daly confirmed with Bob Beers that he will be playing the first period of the Bruins-Black Bears alumni game and then heading back to Boston to broadcast that night's Red Wings @ Bruins game. Given the time it takes to travel, I am going to guess the game will start at 1 or 2. Bob is slated to appear for the Bruins alumni, which makes sense as they probably have more roster spots available than the Black Bears do. With the game being in the afternoon, it would be great if Red could bring the boys down for the game in Lewiston. Any chance the team has to be around these alumni (not to mention some of the Bruins alumni) is a good thing.
Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/08/...ing-agents-to-recruit-international-students/ We are very fortunate to have such wonderful administration in place in the University of Maine System.
http://bangordailynews.com/2013/08/...ing-agents-to-recruit-international-students/ We are very fortunate to have such wonderful administration in place in the University of Maine System.
Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
Wow that's the most absurd thing I think I've read in a long while. What an amazing waste of money and resources. Sickening.
Wow that's the most absurd thing I think I've read in a long while. What an amazing waste of money and resources. Sickening.
Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
If you read the article you would know that the University is doing nothing wrong and is conducting their recruitment in an ethical manner. With declining enrollment, this is a tremendous source of income for the University. We are in a global economy and this program makes the Maine campus more diverse culturally. Many fine academic institutions across the country are also using this approach. High schools are also actively recruiting international students for the same reasons. I fail to see what's sickening about it.
If you read the article you would know that the University is doing nothing wrong and is conducting their recruitment in an ethical manner. With declining enrollment, this is a tremendous source of income for the University. We are in a global economy and this program makes the Maine campus more diverse culturally. Many fine academic institutions across the country are also using this approach. High schools are also actively recruiting international students for the same reasons. I fail to see what's sickening about it.
Is this a serious post or are you being sarcastic?
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I can see where Runsub5 is coming from. Unfortunately, it appears the university has gotten into bed with some pretty unsavory characters. I understand the reasons for doing it, I'm just not sure a public university should be engaged in the practice. It seems questionable at best. I would need to learn a whole lot more about the program before saying it is a good use of funds.
I can see where Runsub5 is coming from. Unfortunately, it appears the university has gotten into bed with some pretty unsavory characters. I understand the reasons for doing it, I'm just not sure a public university should be engaged in the practice. It seems questionable at best. I would need to learn a whole lot more about the program before saying it is a good use of funds.
MaineHockeyMom
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Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
I am not sure I see the problem
Maine gets 20% out of state tuition for one year (which might be a net loss) and then 3x 95% out of state tuition for each student brought in (who would not otherwise have been brought in).
with enrollment down lately, these foreigners are not taking spots that would otherwise have gone to mainahs and the university is bringing in cash.
where is the problem? (and frankly I do not care one way or the other about "diversity", there is plenty of diversity between the francophones from Ste. Agat, the emancipated minors who grew up in tar paper shacks on MDI and the "rich kids" who went to NYA and Waynfleet) (any else remember the former Maine black bear hockey player who was an emancipated minor who grew up in the tar paper shack on MDI?)
I am not sure I see the problem
Maine gets 20% out of state tuition for one year (which might be a net loss) and then 3x 95% out of state tuition for each student brought in (who would not otherwise have been brought in).
with enrollment down lately, these foreigners are not taking spots that would otherwise have gone to mainahs and the university is bringing in cash.
where is the problem? (and frankly I do not care one way or the other about "diversity", there is plenty of diversity between the francophones from Ste. Agat, the emancipated minors who grew up in tar paper shacks on MDI and the "rich kids" who went to NYA and Waynfleet) (any else remember the former Maine black bear hockey player who was an emancipated minor who grew up in the tar paper shack on MDI?)
Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
stripping away all the other stuff, from a purely financial standpoint, I read it as this:
5 Year Tuition Revenues: $20,000,000 + room and board
Cost to Renovate Buildings: ($1,500,000)
Cost of First Year Tuition paid to SG: ($3,200,000)
Subsequent Year Tuition paid to SG: ($4,500,000) (liberal estimate, but without actual enrollment numbers)
Net Proceeds from Venture: $10,800,000 + profit from room and board
This is clearly way oversimplified and back of the envelope in nature, but if it generates $10 million in revenue, requires no additional expenses to be incurred by the university system, and offsets declining enrollments based on economic and population issues, then i do not see the issue on that front... I have to believe that if the numbers didn't add up to net a boost in university revenues, the program wouldn't have made it off of the ground....
on another note, the parent company is the one that jock mckernan got in hot water with... he is their current board chairman...
stripping away all the other stuff, from a purely financial standpoint, I read it as this:
5 Year Tuition Revenues: $20,000,000 + room and board
Cost to Renovate Buildings: ($1,500,000)
Cost of First Year Tuition paid to SG: ($3,200,000)
Subsequent Year Tuition paid to SG: ($4,500,000) (liberal estimate, but without actual enrollment numbers)
Net Proceeds from Venture: $10,800,000 + profit from room and board
This is clearly way oversimplified and back of the envelope in nature, but if it generates $10 million in revenue, requires no additional expenses to be incurred by the university system, and offsets declining enrollments based on economic and population issues, then i do not see the issue on that front... I have to believe that if the numbers didn't add up to net a boost in university revenues, the program wouldn't have made it off of the ground....
on another note, the parent company is the one that jock mckernan got in hot water with... he is their current board chairman...
Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
How many kids are you assuming turn up? Do people honestly think UMaine is that attractive for some kid from Mumbai or Beijing? I can't see a lot of kids wanting to come voluntarily, unless the company uses some unscrupulous tactics, which no doubt will happen. If kids come and absolutely hate it I don't see how that helps Maine long term. Don't you think the company has the fee structure front loaded for a reason? There is no doubt you and some of the folks from the company can put together a worksheet that shows this being super profitable, but in practice I don't see that happening.
If there are fewer kids from Maine that need public post secondary education than the system should adjust accordingly instead of engaging in this sham. It seems to me that the people in charge have completely lost sight of the purpose of the system, which is a real shame. It seems they think the system is there to serve them and not the residents of Maine.
How many kids are you assuming turn up? Do people honestly think UMaine is that attractive for some kid from Mumbai or Beijing? I can't see a lot of kids wanting to come voluntarily, unless the company uses some unscrupulous tactics, which no doubt will happen. If kids come and absolutely hate it I don't see how that helps Maine long term. Don't you think the company has the fee structure front loaded for a reason? There is no doubt you and some of the folks from the company can put together a worksheet that shows this being super profitable, but in practice I don't see that happening.
If there are fewer kids from Maine that need public post secondary education than the system should adjust accordingly instead of engaging in this sham. It seems to me that the people in charge have completely lost sight of the purpose of the system, which is a real shame. It seems they think the system is there to serve them and not the residents of Maine.
Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
Amen. esp the part about the front ended contract. These kids come to Maine, spend one horrific winter and say F this I'm transferring to Florida State. You can't tell me with the upfront money they're going to spend on infrastructure they couldn't come up with a better marketing plan to attract Maine/other kids to the school? BS!! They're too gdmn lazy and want the new source of students to be spoon fed to them...on a friggin 14K gold spoon no less. I'm sure the attitude is oh look on paper this is awesome and we don't have to do a **** thing. Just the way we like it. Meh.
Amen. esp the part about the front ended contract. These kids come to Maine, spend one horrific winter and say F this I'm transferring to Florida State. You can't tell me with the upfront money they're going to spend on infrastructure they couldn't come up with a better marketing plan to attract Maine/other kids to the school? BS!! They're too gdmn lazy and want the new source of students to be spoon fed to them...on a friggin 14K gold spoon no less. I'm sure the attitude is oh look on paper this is awesome and we don't have to do a **** thing. Just the way we like it. Meh.
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Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
Back to hockey, and this arrangement is very good news to me...
I hate in-season exhibition games (why bother?), but I'll show-up in Portland to see UNH any day of the week.
Back to hockey, and this arrangement is very good news to me...
I hate in-season exhibition games (why bother?), but I'll show-up in Portland to see UNH any day of the week.
sandiegoblkbr
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Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
Once UConn joins the league it looks like Maine and UNH will play HE home and home games plus a Portland and Manchester OOC game.........hopefully they extend the Portland/Manchester series. As far as the rest of the Hockey East schedule goes.......I'm predicting that Maine, Vermont and Notre Dame will play 5 home and 5 away 2 game series vs. the rest of HE excluding a 1 and 1 vs. one HE opponent.......for Maine it will be UNH......Vermont (UMass?) and Notre Dame (BC?).
Assuming that Maine sticks with the Florida Tourney, it looks like they will have to fill 8 OOC slots. Hopefully, Maine will play a A-list opponent at home and one of the road every year which would chew up 4 of those games. After that I'd look for 1 or 2 ECAC series or a lesser opponent.
So a typical season would have at least 15 home games (plus an exhibition and the Portland game.
Once UConn joins the league it looks like Maine and UNH will play HE home and home games plus a Portland and Manchester OOC game.........hopefully they extend the Portland/Manchester series. As far as the rest of the Hockey East schedule goes.......I'm predicting that Maine, Vermont and Notre Dame will play 5 home and 5 away 2 game series vs. the rest of HE excluding a 1 and 1 vs. one HE opponent.......for Maine it will be UNH......Vermont (UMass?) and Notre Dame (BC?).
Assuming that Maine sticks with the Florida Tourney, it looks like they will have to fill 8 OOC slots. Hopefully, Maine will play a A-list opponent at home and one of the road every year which would chew up 4 of those games. After that I'd look for 1 or 2 ECAC series or a lesser opponent.
So a typical season would have at least 15 home games (plus an exhibition and the Portland game.
Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
Yeah, I think the Portland - Manchester thing has some real potential. With a renovated CCCC, should be a good time. I too would buy tix to this series without hesitation.
Yeah, I think the Portland - Manchester thing has some real potential. With a renovated CCCC, should be a good time. I too would buy tix to this series without hesitation.
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Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
The Stanley Cup was in Orono on Tuesday!
http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=19816&navid=DL|NHL|home
The Stanley Cup was in Orono on Tuesday!
http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=19816&navid=DL|NHL|home
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Both teams should want to extend the Portland/Manchester agreement. It allows Maine to tap into the southern Maine market against a top level opponent but it's practically a home game for the Wildcats. The downside for them is actually the Manchester game as I don't think they've drawn as well there recently. One of the complaints I have heard is that the school doesn't make it easy for students to attend. Assuming they do extend the series and they stay in Florida that will give them 26 games, so your math is right: 8 OOC games to fill. Split that up 3 home/1 road series (with the occasional 2-2) and Maine should have 16-18 home games (10 or 12 HEA depending on Notre Dame). Theoretically the team could end up with as few as 14 home dates but I don't think Red will let that happen.
In addition to the usual series against North Dakota and Denver, I'd like to get some new blood in here. We have the beginnings of a rivalry with Duluth that I would love to expand and the Alaska schools are always an interesting option because games up there are exempt. As travel becomes more expensive, I would hope Maine and New Hampshire can pair up to travel/host opponents like Denver/CC, Michigan/State, UMD/NoDak.
Both teams should want to extend the Portland/Manchester agreement. It allows Maine to tap into the southern Maine market against a top level opponent but it's practically a home game for the Wildcats. The downside for them is actually the Manchester game as I don't think they've drawn as well there recently. One of the complaints I have heard is that the school doesn't make it easy for students to attend. Assuming they do extend the series and they stay in Florida that will give them 26 games, so your math is right: 8 OOC games to fill. Split that up 3 home/1 road series (with the occasional 2-2) and Maine should have 16-18 home games (10 or 12 HEA depending on Notre Dame). Theoretically the team could end up with as few as 14 home dates but I don't think Red will let that happen.
In addition to the usual series against North Dakota and Denver, I'd like to get some new blood in here. We have the beginnings of a rivalry with Duluth that I would love to expand and the Alaska schools are always an interesting option because games up there are exempt. As travel becomes more expensive, I would hope Maine and New Hampshire can pair up to travel/host opponents like Denver/CC, Michigan/State, UMD/NoDak.
Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
He is right. Maine is getting older, and the University needs to increase enrollment from out of state just to maintain its current student population levels (and it would be impossible to maintain the breadth of courses and facilities that a flagship university should offer on declining enrollment). Recruiting from overseas is a good way to maintain enrollment and as an added bonus these students pay more in tuition than a in-state student so it helps the universities bottom line.
He is right. Maine is getting older, and the University needs to increase enrollment from out of state just to maintain its current student population levels (and it would be impossible to maintain the breadth of courses and facilities that a flagship university should offer on declining enrollment). Recruiting from overseas is a good way to maintain enrollment and as an added bonus these students pay more in tuition than a in-state student so it helps the universities bottom line.
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For what it is worth, when I was a graduate student at UMaine most of the other students in my department were from India, China, or the Middle East.
For what it is worth, when I was a graduate student at UMaine most of the other students in my department were from India, China, or the Middle East.
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Re: Maine Hockey 2013-2014 Part 1: Red Dawn
I agree. And those kids aren't picking colleges for the chance to party or lie on the beach.
I agree. And those kids aren't picking colleges for the chance to party or lie on the beach.
I think it is apples and oranges complaring grad and undergrad students. Question for those in favor, why doesn't Maine open its own 'sales' offices over there? It surely would be cheaper than the outfit they are tied up with now. Also, why can't the system get smaller if there is less demand?
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