Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
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Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
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Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
Is this B.S. ??? Give us some details.
FiveHole12
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Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
If that was Mrs. Whitehead, she did a pretty good job of shatting all over her husband.
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
Don't remind me...............I think Maine was up 5-0 about 14 minutes into that game.
Don't remind me...............I think Maine was up 5-0 about 14 minutes into that game.
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
Well I think after this weekend, we now know a bit more about this team. Not only are they challenged offensively, but apparently they don't have goaltending or a defense either. Pretty easy to see the difference in a team like St. Lawrence. They have at least a couple of guys like Carey and Flannigan, who not only know how to generate chances, but bury a good percentage of them too. We do create chances, but we just cant finish. How many open nets did we miss? Pucks we fumbled? Posts and crossbars? ...and shots where we missed the net. Give their goaltender his due - he made all the saves Sullivan couldn't. It's going to be a long winter of meaningless weekends.
Well I think after this weekend, we now know a bit more about this team. Not only are they challenged offensively, but apparently they don't have goaltending or a defense either. Pretty easy to see the difference in a team like St. Lawrence. They have at least a couple of guys like Carey and Flannigan, who not only know how to generate chances, but bury a good percentage of them too. We do create chances, but we just cant finish. How many open nets did we miss? Pucks we fumbled? Posts and crossbars? ...and shots where we missed the net. Give their goaltender his due - he made all the saves Sullivan couldn't. It's going to be a long winter of meaningless weekends.
carltonbarrett
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Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
I myself was trying to think on appropriate response that bunch of delusional rambling and you beat me to it!!
I myself was trying to think on appropriate response that bunch of delusional rambling and you beat me to it!!
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
I would say the biggest disappointment so far this year has been the defensemen. Pryor obviously has looked absolutely horrible, but it seems like Cornell and O'Connor have been off the pace as well. They're a big reason the PP has been such a disaster too. It would be nice to see Riley and Williams get a run-out at defense once some guys get healthy. I was pretty surprised by Williams last night, he looked a lot better than I expected.
I would say the biggest disappointment so far this year has been the defensemen. Pryor obviously has looked absolutely horrible, but it seems like Cornell and O'Connor have been off the pace as well. They're a big reason the PP has been such a disaster too. It would be nice to see Riley and Williams get a run-out at defense once some guys get healthy. I was pretty surprised by Williams last night, he looked a lot better than I expected.
carltonbarrett
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Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
Interesting?? Throw out the Army game (are they even D-1) and you've scored a combined 2 goals in 4 games against some pretty average teams at best. We knew the offense would struggle, but this is truly embarrassing....
Interesting?? Throw out the Army game (are they even D-1) and you've scored a combined 2 goals in 4 games against some pretty average teams at best. We knew the offense would struggle, but this is truly embarrassing....
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
The offense has a lot of freshmen and one or two guys playing out of position every game. They also have had a bunch of injuries. The defense has three seniors and only one freshman as well as no injuries. If you just look at the box scores, which I'm assuming is all you've done, yes the offense has looked awful. Watching the games though, they have created some guild edged chances and haven't taken them. Its not like they have received much support from the points either. It seems like at least half the time when a shot comes in from the point it doesn't even miss the first man. Some of the goals Maine conceded this weekend were absolute horror shows. O'Conner twice last night let someone skate right in front of the net and score. Nemec turned the puck over for the first goal and the guy skated right in and scored. Cornell put one in his own net for Friday night's opener. I could go on and on.
The offense has a lot of freshmen and one or two guys playing out of position every game. They also have had a bunch of injuries. The defense has three seniors and only one freshman as well as no injuries. If you just look at the box scores, which I'm assuming is all you've done, yes the offense has looked awful. Watching the games though, they have created some guild edged chances and haven't taken them. Its not like they have received much support from the points either. It seems like at least half the time when a shot comes in from the point it doesn't even miss the first man. Some of the goals Maine conceded this weekend were absolute horror shows. O'Conner twice last night let someone skate right in front of the net and score. Nemec turned the puck over for the first goal and the guy skated right in and scored. Cornell put one in his own net for Friday night's opener. I could go on and on.
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
when there are 10 injuries before the end of the first month, there is a problem with the strength and conditioning regimen.
but, it is worse than you let on. (and i am pretty sure that conner only let Flanagan in, once flanagan toasted Pryor).
the passing is absolutely atrocious. It is clear to me that Maine's practices are run at half speed. The entire team has absolutely no idea how to play at D1 speed. Every pass is fumbled, nobody is ever ready for a pass, nobody is ever playing their position... always bunching up, all forwards ON the puck. How can maine ever get a rebound in the offensive zone if all three forwards are right on the puck and nobody is on the weak side for the rebound, or a pass?
also, do you see how often they all lean and reach for a pass or a loose puck?
this is not good hockey, once a player bends at the waist and reaches for a loose puck, he cannot do anything with it until he gets his feet back under him.
the only time a player wants to reach is to knock a puck out of the crease before an opponent knocks it in.
maine is leaning and reaching all over the ice... because they are never moving in the right direction (like Gerbe always did) and they are not ready for a game of d1 hockey)
shemansky just plain cannot shoot. let him stand out front and tip pucks into the net.
do you all remember how abbott would change the trajectory of his snap shot (he would draw the puck toward he body and THEN release a shot on net? ... fooling the defender into thinking he has the shot blocked??? Diamond, Anthoine and all of the D except hutton just shoot in a straight line... and have their shots blocked over and over.
all of these problems are coaching-related
practices are too slow
nobody is telling the players how to tweak their shots and how to fake out the D (like Grant would have taught these guys in 5 friggin seconds)
and the D plays like the soccer playing philosophers in the monty python sketch
when there are 10 injuries before the end of the first month, there is a problem with the strength and conditioning regimen.
but, it is worse than you let on. (and i am pretty sure that conner only let Flanagan in, once flanagan toasted Pryor).
the passing is absolutely atrocious. It is clear to me that Maine's practices are run at half speed. The entire team has absolutely no idea how to play at D1 speed. Every pass is fumbled, nobody is ever ready for a pass, nobody is ever playing their position... always bunching up, all forwards ON the puck. How can maine ever get a rebound in the offensive zone if all three forwards are right on the puck and nobody is on the weak side for the rebound, or a pass?
also, do you see how often they all lean and reach for a pass or a loose puck?
this is not good hockey, once a player bends at the waist and reaches for a loose puck, he cannot do anything with it until he gets his feet back under him.
the only time a player wants to reach is to knock a puck out of the crease before an opponent knocks it in.
maine is leaning and reaching all over the ice... because they are never moving in the right direction (like Gerbe always did) and they are not ready for a game of d1 hockey)
shemansky just plain cannot shoot. let him stand out front and tip pucks into the net.
do you all remember how abbott would change the trajectory of his snap shot (he would draw the puck toward he body and THEN release a shot on net? ... fooling the defender into thinking he has the shot blocked??? Diamond, Anthoine and all of the D except hutton just shoot in a straight line... and have their shots blocked over and over.
all of these problems are coaching-related
practices are too slow
nobody is telling the players how to tweak their shots and how to fake out the D (like Grant would have taught these guys in 5 friggin seconds)
and the D plays like the soccer playing philosophers in the monty python sketch
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Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
Funny, did you hear Timmay's profound wisdom in his post game interview comparing soccer to last nights game? Something about how the best team doesn't always win because of the flow of the game or some BS. The myopic s.o.b. thinks Maine was the best team??? I really want what he's smoking.
Funny, did you hear Timmay's profound wisdom in his post game interview comparing soccer to last nights game? Something about how the best team doesn't always win because of the flow of the game or some BS. The myopic s.o.b. thinks Maine was the best team??? I really want what he's smoking.
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
On the positive side rookies Shore, Hutton and Morris by the most part played well. St. Lawrence players Flanagan, Carey, Weninger were outstanding. Their D-man Baker played very well too until he took a dumb penalty late in the third while trying to decapitate Diamond.
On the positive side rookies Shore, Hutton and Morris by the most part played well. St. Lawrence players Flanagan, Carey, Weninger were outstanding. Their D-man Baker played very well too until he took a dumb penalty late in the third while trying to decapitate Diamond.
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
well, let me ask you this... do you make $190k a year?
then maybe he knows something that you and I do not know.
heh heh heh
well, let me ask you this... do you make $190k a year?
then maybe he knows something that you and I do not know.
heh heh heh
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
i took my father-in-law (a slu alumn) to the game thinking it would be a nice gesture while he was in town... poor guy had to sit there and watch his team get bombed... couldn't have happened to a better yankees fan
Don't remind me...............I think Maine was up 5-0 about 14 minutes into that game.
i took my father-in-law (a slu alumn) to the game thinking it would be a nice gesture while he was in town... poor guy had to sit there and watch his team get bombed... couldn't have happened to a better yankees fan
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
he should sit...................put Norman in..........
he should sit...................put Norman in..........
Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
I disagree on the injuries. Parker broke his foot moving a tv, lomberg's and cerratani's injuries are both foot/ankle related which I don't believe have anything to do with conditioning, Beattie has had concussion issues, and Swavely got hurt blocking a shot. Last year Maine pretty much went the whole year with no one hurt outside of Leen who was sick but not injured. Some years you're going to have good luck and others you're not.
Whatever the players are being told in practice isn't working. If you can't miss the first man on a shot from the point you're in a lot of trouble. I think the issue might be time being spent on 'systems' instead of individual skills. I think to some degree its up to the players to figure out how to get the puck to the net, its not like they're just starting out.
I disagree on the injuries. Parker broke his foot moving a tv, lomberg's and cerratani's injuries are both foot/ankle related which I don't believe have anything to do with conditioning, Beattie has had concussion issues, and Swavely got hurt blocking a shot. Last year Maine pretty much went the whole year with no one hurt outside of Leen who was sick but not injured. Some years you're going to have good luck and others you're not.
Whatever the players are being told in practice isn't working. If you can't miss the first man on a shot from the point you're in a lot of trouble. I think the issue might be time being spent on 'systems' instead of individual skills. I think to some degree its up to the players to figure out how to get the puck to the net, its not like they're just starting out.
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I think i am right about the conditioning and injuries.
Paul Kariya came in infinitely more skilled than ANYONE on the current roster, and he came to Maine in order to learn from Grant.
Up until the end of his NHL career, he still called grant and asked for help with this an that.
Grant sees little things, as well as huge ones. (he saw that Penner had "NO coaching" in the past and would be a monster if someone took him by the hand.. By the time Penner got to Maine, he was also not just starting out.
Not a single player got to Maine with D1 experience under his belt. They all had to start fresh in that regard.
they all needed SOMEONE who could hone their skills, teach them how to utilize less time than ever before.
Maine does not have that coach anymore... and Tim never thought that coach was much of an asset.
I think i am right about the conditioning and injuries.
Paul Kariya came in infinitely more skilled than ANYONE on the current roster, and he came to Maine in order to learn from Grant.
Up until the end of his NHL career, he still called grant and asked for help with this an that.
Grant sees little things, as well as huge ones. (he saw that Penner had "NO coaching" in the past and would be a monster if someone took him by the hand.. By the time Penner got to Maine, he was also not just starting out.
Not a single player got to Maine with D1 experience under his belt. They all had to start fresh in that regard.
they all needed SOMEONE who could hone their skills, teach them how to utilize less time than ever before.
Maine does not have that coach anymore... and Tim never thought that coach was much of an asset.
Fishman'81
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Re: Maine 2012 - The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly??
A minor point to make at this juncture, but I am amazed that anyone would still cite Heggs as anything but a disaster... He is but another in a long string of shining examples of how poorly TW's defencemen have been coached. For example: both Pryor and O'Connor clearly had the tools as Freshman, but are apparent train-wrecks as we speak.
Please face the facts and quit, Tim!
A minor point to make at this juncture, but I am amazed that anyone would still cite Heggs as anything but a disaster... He is but another in a long string of shining examples of how poorly TW's defencemen have been coached. For example: both Pryor and O'Connor clearly had the tools as Freshman, but are apparent train-wrecks as we speak.
Please face the facts and quit, Tim!
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