Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

[DoubleA]

Re: Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

You say it would a huge task to get rid of Timmay at the conclusion of the seaon. I have to disagree. I think its a very lucrative position and there would be no shortage of qualified candidates. At the very least with little expenditure by the University, that guy named Montgomery I believe would fill that bill in spades, and he's one of probably 3 or 4 other excellent candidates available, all of whom should be interviewed. All it takes is Abbott to do the right thing now for the University, its alumni and the state of Maine. I, for one, am sick of seeing Whiteheads smug face in interviews....enough talking, lets get it done.

What I meant was that completing the whole package successfully is a huge task for Abbott:
-get the proper backing of the university to pay out the contract- $190K is a lot of scratch to short sighted bureaucrats -may not be a lay-up
-get Teddy Alfond to buy in - from what we've discussed here, that's apparently a consideration
-can TW
-conduct a proper national search, although I agree with you on Montgomery - that's not a 2 week assignment
-once you've found the right guy, negotiate his contract and get him up and operational asap
That's a lot to do.

 

[fiqure8]

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What I meant was that completing the whole package successfully is a huge task for Abbott:
-get the proper backing of the university to pay out the contract- $190K is a lot of scratch to short sighted bureaucrats -may not be a lay-up
-get Teddy Alfond to buy in - from what we've discussed here, that's apparently a consideration
-can TW
-conduct a proper national search, although I agree with you on Montgomery - that's not a 2 week assignment
-once you've found the right guy, negotiate his contract and get him up and operational asap
That's a lot to do.

I think they keep Timmy for his final year to see how his recruits pan out..................

Also the game coverage by stretch internet is a joke............buffering all the time.........you would think you would be able to lock in some better technology............it does not seem that UMaine cares about it's sports fans............

 

[walrus]

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I think they keep Timmy for his final year to see how his recruits pan out....

Publicity wise they can't afford to buy him out. Once he becomes lame duck and the team still stinks, recruiting goes in the dump(if it already hasn't )

 

[DoubleA]

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Publicity wise they can't afford to buy him out. Once he becomes lame duck and the team still stinks, recruiting goes in the dump(if it already hasn't )

You are not usually completely off the mark. Did you hit your head or something? They can't afford NOT to buy him out.

 

[revoman]

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I'm hoping you left a word out of that one. The word "NOT".

The conversation should be short sweet and to the point. Abbot calls Tim, gets him in the office and sits him down. "Tim, it has become apparent that you lack the leadership ability to right this ship. I think for the good of the program and the good of the University you should no longer be behind the bench. Effective Immediately. You will be paid for the remainder of this year and we will buy you out of next year, but we can't have you bury the program, and these young men. Too many people over too many years have put their heart and soul into the hockey program...too many to let you flush it down the toilet. We will have Bob finish out the year behind the bench while we open up a National Search for the proper coach to take UM Hockey in the direction it needs to go. In the meantime, UMPD is waiting for you over at the Alfond to help you clean out your personal effects. You will be allowed to address the team one last time and then we will ask that you not come near the hockey operations offices nor the locker rooms. You will also have no contact with any of the players or recruits. Thank you for your years of service to the U and the program, but it is time we parted ways."

We can dream, right?

Publicity wise they can't afford to buy him out. Once he becomes lame duck and the team still stinks, recruiting goes in the dump(if it already hasn't )

 

[walrus]

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You are not usually completely off the mark. Did you hit your head or something? They can't afford NOT to buy him out.

I don't disagree completely, but the money situation in Maine is really dire, there is none. That's a huge publicity hit for someone to take. You can point out the numbers all you want, everyone is going to point to 190,000 for nothing.

 

[revoman]

Re: Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

, everyone is going to point to 190,000 for nothing.

It won't be for nothing, it will be an investment in the future of the hockey program...kind of like the new coolers that didn't work...

Or the new workout room without A/C... (why did that happen, Tim??)

 

[walrus]

Re: Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

It won't be for nothing, it will be an investment in the future of the hockey program...kind of like the new coolers that didn't work...

Or the new workout room without A/C... (why did that happen, Tim??)

We'll see, I never wanted him hired without a Nat'l search back in 02 and I'm one of the original internet nutcases calling for him to be gone way back when. But I see a delicate situation trying to get rid of him now. For the program its the right thing but when do politicians do the right thing

 

[all bear]

Re: Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

We'll see, I never wanted him hired without a Nat'l search back in 02 and I'm one of the original internet nutcases calling for him to be gone way back when. But I see a delicate situation trying to get rid of him now. For the program its the right thing but when do politicians do the right thing

Well, for the sake of our sanity, we better hope he's gone at the end of the season. If he's allowed to limp along one more year and improve on this years disastrous record (the bar has been set so low), the possibility of his contract being extended again is always out there. I know that makes everyone sick to even consider such a scenario, but its a nightmare possibility if the AD fails to do its job correctly yet again.

 

[Runsub5]

Re: Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

This team is not nearly as bad as their record indicates. They have 5 ties (including the exhibition game), and 7 losses by only 1 goal. Perhaps with the addition of two highly skilled forwards, this team would be entirely different and have a much better record. They have good goal tending and the defense is good.

 

[Drew S.]

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This team is not nearly as bad as their record indicates. They have 5 ties (including the exhibition game), and 7 losses by only 1 goal. Perhaps with the addition of two highly skilled forwards, this team would be entirely different and have a much better record. They have good goal tending and the defense is good.

I completely agree with this. I actually would say they have nine one goal losses, empty net goals are pretty insignificant in my opinion? I think if Jimmy comes in next year we could be good again straightaway. Realistic worse case scenario Timmy is around one more year.

 

[revoman]

Re: Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

This team is not nearly as bad as their record indicates. They have 5 ties (including the exhibition game), and 7 losses by only 1 goal. Perhaps with the addition of two highly skilled forwards, this team would be entirely different and have a much better record. They have good goal tending and the defense is good.

But they don't have the stamina, the aggressiveness or the systems in place to utilize the skills that the current players do have. KIA, Priceless and Walrus have all pointed this out. I have not watched as much this year, but what I have seen has left me saying "*** are they doing...? Why isn't someone going to the net, going into the corner, covering the mid-boards? Why aren't they moving? Where is the cycle...?" I think I said all of these either to myself or out loud last night. A 1-1-3 offensive zone setup is unacceptable as a power play. That is, as someone pointed out earlier, purely defending against getting jumped at the blue line. You cannot set up an attack, or cycle the puck properly, with this set. If you don't trust your points on the power play, you need to put two in there you can trust to get the job done. All I could do was shake my head.

 

[walrus]

Re: Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

This team is not nearly as bad as their record indicates. They have 5 ties (including the exhibition game), and 7 losses by only 1 goal. Perhaps with the addition of two highly skilled forwards, this team would be entirely different and have a much better record. They have good goal tending and the defense is good.

Meaning the coach isn't doing his job

 

[rufus]

Re: Maine 2012-13 Part 3D: Still digging

This team is not nearly as bad as their record indicates. They have 5 ties (including the exhibition game), and 7 losses by only 1 goal. Perhaps with the addition of two highly skilled forwards, this team would be entirely different and have a much better record. They have good goal tending and the defense is good.

And I have no doubts that if Corkum was the head coach of this team, their record would be much better. A lot of those 1 goal losses and ties would be wins.

Probably be 13-10.

 

[DoubleA]

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I completely agree with this. I actually would say they have nine one goal losses, empty net goals are pretty insignificant in my opinion? I think if Jimmy comes in next year we could be good again straightaway. Realistic worse case scenario Timmy is around one more year.

You are a total optimist which as a fan is a great quality until it has clouded your sense of reality so badly. This is as close to "crisis" as it can get without actually being a crisis yet. Dude, the negative momentum right now for the players, their families, the fans, the Alumnae, and the University as a whole is traveling down hill like a brake-less freight train. If the situation were addressed today, 1/20/13, it would take a minimum of the next 2 seasons to return to respectability and 3+ years to get back to National prominence. If the Whitehead situation persists for the rest of this season and next season, all bets are off. It would take a minimum of 5 years to reconstruct and possibly more. Glass half full is wonderful. It's too late for that.

 

[rufus]

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Just look at what a coaching change can do. A couple years ago, the SF 49ers were absolutely pathetic, and had been pretty bad for some time. New coach comes in, and two years later, they're in the Super Bowl.

 

[Drew S.]

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You are a total optimist which as a fan is a great quality until it has clouded your sense of reality so badly. This is as close to "crisis" as it can get without actually being there. Dude, the negative momentum right now for the players, their families, the fans, the Alumnae, and the University as a whole is traveling down hill like a brake-less freight train. If the situation were addressed today, 1/20/13, it would take a minimum of the next 2 seasons to return to respectability and 3+ years to get back to National prominence. If the Whitehead situation persists for the rest of this season and next season, all bets are off. It would take a minimum of 5 years to reconstruct and possibly more. Glass half full is wonderful. It's too late for that.

You don't think the program would do a 180 if Jimmy came in momentum wise? I know I would be pretty excited as I'm sure other fans would be. He's gotten results at Dubuque so I'm sure he can coach too. There are a bunch of good players in the freshmen class and a few decent ones in the sophomore and junior classes. On top of this I think at least four of the guys coming in next year will be decent so there should be some talent for whoever is coach.

 

[revoman]

And I have no doubts that if Corkum was the head coach of this team, their record would be much better. A lot of those 1 goal losses and ties would be wins.

Probably be 13-10.

Hand Tim his walking papers now, let Corkum take the team the rest of the year, and they make the hockey east tournament. IMHO.

 

[Chairman of the Boards]

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I'm hoping you left a word out of that one. The word "NOT".

The conversation should be short sweet and to the point. Abbot calls Tim, gets him in the office and sits him down. "Tim, it has become apparent that you lack the leadership ability to right this ship. I think for the good of the program and the good of the University you should no longer be behind the bench. Effective Immediately. You will be paid for the remainder of this year and we will buy you out of next year, but we can't have you bury the program, and these young men. Too many people over too many years have put their heart and soul into the hockey program...too many to let you flush it down the toilet. We will have Bob finish out the year behind the bench while we open up a National Search for the proper coach to take UM Hockey in the direction it needs to go. In the meantime, UMPD is waiting for you over at the Alfond to help you clean out your personal effects. You will be allowed to address the team one last time and then we will ask that you not come near the hockey operations offices nor the locker rooms. You will also have no contact with any of the players or recruits. Thank you for your years of service to the U and the program, but it is time we parted ways."

We can dream, right?

Short, Sweet and 100% correct. Forward to Abbott.

 

[Chairman of the Boards]

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You don't think the program would do a 180 if Jimmy came in momentum wise? I know I would be pretty excited as I'm sure other fans would be. He's gotten results at Dubuque so I'm sure he can coach too. There are a bunch of good players in the freshmen class and a few decent ones in the sophomore and junior classes. On top of this I think at least four of the guys coming in next year will be decent so there should be some talent for whoever is coach.

Jimney Cricket could do a better job. Anybody but TW.