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LSSU Laker Hockey
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PerkyforPrez
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Unless one of them have been redshirted or are going to get redshirted then that makes all three of them in the same class.
Unless one of them have been redshirted or are going to get redshirted then that makes all three of them in the same class.
Buck LeVasseur
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Is it really that far of a leap to think that funders have a say in hires that are made? You see it all over the collegiate landscape. The donor at UConn who got ****ed when they hired a new football coach without first consulting him, Oregon goes through Phil Knight, the Miami AD said he had a lot of donor input in their search for a coach. There are countless examples of donors who have had great impact on the hiring of coaches. Why should we believe that Lake State is any different than those? The Administration has proven to be inept at making decisions that are best for the school. I've never seen a place run so poorly and inefficiently as LSSU is (I work with a lot of the administration). I'd be surprised to find out that the donor group just sits back and writes checks without having any say in how the program is run. I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and believe that. Nothing that can be posted on a message board would change my opinion either. I'd need some real hard facts to believe otherwise.
Is it really that far of a leap to think that funders have a say in hires that are made? You see it all over the collegiate landscape. The donor at UConn who got ****ed when they hired a new football coach without first consulting him, Oregon goes through Phil Knight, the Miami AD said he had a lot of donor input in their search for a coach. There are countless examples of donors who have had great impact on the hiring of coaches. Why should we believe that Lake State is any different than those? The Administration has proven to be inept at making decisions that are best for the school. I've never seen a place run so poorly and inefficiently as LSSU is (I work with a lot of the administration). I'd be surprised to find out that the donor group just sits back and writes checks without having any say in how the program is run. I'm not going to bury my head in the sand and believe that. Nothing that can be posted on a message board would change my opinion either. I'd need some real hard facts to believe otherwise.
Proud2baLaker
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And Im asking for some hard facts that prove that the donors did make their donations contingent on Roque staying. Personally, I have a hard time believing that donors would want to give a bunch of money to a program with the stipulation that they keep a failing coach (whom I believe should have been let go). The funders want a strong program that wins games. If they want to keep Roque around then they will acheive the opposite of that. I dont feel its that far a leap to think the funders didnt have any say in keeping Roque either. 3dognight has posted about the donations and the project involved numerous times. And there is nothing he has said that makes me believe he is lying when he says that Roque staying was not a factor. When the opposite side of that viewpoint is someone like Truth Squad...well its just awfully hard to look at both sides fairly.
And Im asking for some hard facts that prove that the donors did make their donations contingent on Roque staying. Personally, I have a hard time believing that donors would want to give a bunch of money to a program with the stipulation that they keep a failing coach (whom I believe should have been let go). The funders want a strong program that wins games. If they want to keep Roque around then they will acheive the opposite of that. I dont feel its that far a leap to think the funders didnt have any say in keeping Roque either. 3dognight has posted about the donations and the project involved numerous times. And there is nothing he has said that makes me believe he is lying when he says that Roque staying was not a factor. When the opposite side of that viewpoint is someone like Truth Squad...well its just awfully hard to look at both sides fairly.
Truth Squad
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You won't get these donors to admit anything and that is why 3roquenight is so adamant to slam anyone who happens to be critical of his good buddy and head of this administration. When someone is that defensive about a statement on an internet chat board, and so quick to ridicule anyone who might have a differing viewpoint, makes you think why? Because strings attached can be rather tricky, especially when you can't admit that the money donated is contingent on keeping the coach.
The Truth Is Out There....
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Proud2baLaker
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Hockeyintheblood
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Just wondering about the goalies and the timing. Did Mudock lose eligibility? Also K2 might only be around for one or two years? (pro), when can he be eligible? Also how did his surgery go? Then Tyler Marble is still out there in the wings with one more year of Juniors. Another is will they carry 3 or four goalies since they had injury issues this year (gun shy). I still remember UM had four and the fourth string was Huntwick and I am sure they were glad they had the four that year since they won the tournament that year and the first three at one point couldn't play due to injuries and illness. Murdock actually looks strong this year but how does he compare to K2. Also is Ravn staying? So between the three I wonder what the ranking would be. Also why did Murdock leave the college I thought he was in a three way fight for the starting position. Anyways lots of questions maybe the next hockey show will discuss.
Just wondering about the goalies and the timing. Did Mudock lose eligibility? Also K2 might only be around for one or two years? (pro), when can he be eligible? Also how did his surgery go? Then Tyler Marble is still out there in the wings with one more year of Juniors. Another is will they carry 3 or four goalies since they had injury issues this year (gun shy). I still remember UM had four and the fourth string was Huntwick and I am sure they were glad they had the four that year since they won the tournament that year and the first three at one point couldn't play due to injuries and illness. Murdock actually looks strong this year but how does he compare to K2. Also is Ravn staying? So between the three I wonder what the ranking would be. Also why did Murdock leave the college I thought he was in a three way fight for the starting position. Anyways lots of questions maybe the next hockey show will discuss.
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With the graduation of BMW, it's no surprise the Lakers went out and recruited a 3rd goalie for next season. K2 is obviously the #1 guy going into the season, assuming his surgery and rehab goes well. I don't know just when his surgery is/was scheduled for. We don't know much about Murdock so it's hard to compare him to the other guys. He was the #1 goalie at Lincoln, a USHL team, so he must be fairly decent. I assume he lost one year of college eligibility while playing at Minn-Mankato, and has 3 left starting from this next season. Ravn was never given much chance to play this past season, and I don't know if he has any plans of looking elsewhere. I don't think Marble has shown himself to be ready for Div 1 hockey; he still has a year to show that he is up to the task.
3 goalies on a roster is pretty much the norm in Div 1 college hockey these days. I think Hunwick was a walk-on #3 goalie at UM up until the latter part of last season when he became the #1 guy. I'm not positive, but I don't think UM had 4 goalies.
With the graduation of BMW, it's no surprise the Lakers went out and recruited a 3rd goalie for next season. K2 is obviously the #1 guy going into the season, assuming his surgery and rehab goes well. I don't know just when his surgery is/was scheduled for. We don't know much about Murdock so it's hard to compare him to the other guys. He was the #1 goalie at Lincoln, a USHL team, so he must be fairly decent. I assume he lost one year of college eligibility while playing at Minn-Mankato, and has 3 left starting from this next season. Ravn was never given much chance to play this past season, and I don't know if he has any plans of looking elsewhere. I don't think Marble has shown himself to be ready for Div 1 hockey; he still has a year to show that he is up to the task.
Truth Serum
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So this should move the Lakers into the Top 4 next season Bill, or are they the surprise team of the second half again?
Hockeyintheblood
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I won't copy that as being just plain one side. Murdock has plenty of experience and it was a good recruitment also from what I read he had good solid rankings. I have heard all the questions about why can't LSSU recruit from USHL. So time to admit they got a good recruit at least on paper/top notch. Now I do not think this will change much of anything in the strength of the team. If K2 is healthy, this gives them two back-ups, and also some competition for the starting position. It would be hard to improve the goalie performance over the last half of the season compared to any CCHA team. K2 was highly ranked and better than most. It is a good coaching move also to shore that position up though (don't want to keep all their eggs in one basket). Interesting that Murdock is under 6' and I am partial to goalies under 6'. I also hope they give that other goalie a chance that came in for practice, he seem to improve greatly as he practice with the team. Especially if they do consider bringing Marble in later. As for them all being the same year I do not believe that will be an issue as time passes. As I said at some point one of them might leave and for one year they could bring in a fourth especially if they know ones leaving and/or one is injured. This was a good move.
I won't copy that as being just plain one side. Murdock has plenty of experience and it was a good recruitment also from what I read he had good solid rankings. I have heard all the questions about why can't LSSU recruit from USHL. So time to admit they got a good recruit at least on paper/top notch. Now I do not think this will change much of anything in the strength of the team. If K2 is healthy, this gives them two back-ups, and also some competition for the starting position. It would be hard to improve the goalie performance over the last half of the season compared to any CCHA team. K2 was highly ranked and better than most. It is a good coaching move also to shore that position up though (don't want to keep all their eggs in one basket). Interesting that Murdock is under 6' and I am partial to goalies under 6'. I also hope they give that other goalie a chance that came in for practice, he seem to improve greatly as he practice with the team. Especially if they do consider bringing Marble in later. As for them all being the same year I do not believe that will be an issue as time passes. As I said at some point one of them might leave and for one year they could bring in a fourth especially if they know ones leaving and/or one is injured. This was a good move.
PerkyforPrez
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Re: LSSU Laker Hockey
We had a wonderful time at the banquet last night. I can't wait to see Captain Cassiani and the boys this fall.
We had a wonderful time at the banquet last night. I can't wait to see Captain Cassiani and the boys this fall.
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Allow me to present a counter argument that the donations should be tied to keeping the current staff.
We all agree the Laker program is underfunded. If we assume Coach Roque was instrumental in securing these monies, then fairness and loyalty dictate he should have a chance to show what he and his team can do with improved resources. To expect top level finishes with bottom level funding is unrealistic. I also would not underestimate the value of a coach who is also a good fundraiser. On this forum he has been accused (credited?) with being politically savvy. There is an obvious advantage to these skills.
I have been critical of past administrations' mismanagement of the Laker program. "Truth", this probably contributed to the failure of Coach Anzalone's second stint at LSSU. The Laker head coaches job is currently not going to be attractive to candidates. If a coaching search is needed in the future, and a better climate for success has not been established, the prospects are not good. I think the current MTU coach search may be instructive in this regard. Mrs. Dunbar is intelligent, and with her high success level as a head coach, is able to see both sides of the issue. I've no doubt she is considering all contingencies.
I am certain the current staff can identify the problem areas. Let's see if they can fix them, if given the resources. This opinion does not change the facts that they underachieved this year, and on paper are likely to be weaker next season.
I am aware there are many counterarguments to this strategy. This plan however would not only give the current staff a chance to prove themselves with better resources, but also make the coaching position more attractive in the future, should a search become necessary.
Allow me to present a counter argument that the donations should be tied to keeping the current staff.
We all agree the Laker program is underfunded. If we assume Coach Roque was instrumental in securing these monies, then fairness and loyalty dictate he should have a chance to show what he and his team can do with improved resources. To expect top level finishes with bottom level funding is unrealistic. I also would not underestimate the value of a coach who is also a good fundraiser. On this forum he has been accused (credited?) with being politically savvy. There is an obvious advantage to these skills.
I have been critical of past administrations' mismanagement of the Laker program. "Truth", this probably contributed to the failure of Coach Anzalone's second stint at LSSU. The Laker head coaches job is currently not going to be attractive to candidates. If a coaching search is needed in the future, and a better climate for success has not been established, the prospects are not good. I think the current MTU coach search may be instructive in this regard. Mrs. Dunbar is intelligent, and with her high success level as a head coach, is able to see both sides of the issue. I've no doubt she is considering all contingencies.
I am certain the current staff can identify the problem areas. Let's see if they can fix them, if given the resources. This opinion does not change the facts that they underachieved this year, and on paper are likely to be weaker next season.
I am aware there are many counterarguments to this strategy. This plan however would not only give the current staff a chance to prove themselves with better resources, but also make the coaching position more attractive in the future, should a search become necessary.
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Truth Squad
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I think you make some good points and it makes sense because there is no other reason to keep this administration with their results on the ice and their embarrassments off the ice that no one will talk about and his buddies on here and on the air covering it up.
This AD seems very loyal to the coaches, which is a far cry from the last one, speaking of covering it up, who sold a legendary coach down the river to promote his own interests. Shame shame
The truth is these donors are friends of Jim Roque and their funds are contingent on keep him as head coach. I don't think it will matter at all if the Captain Cassiani led Lakers finish in dead last place and less and less people attend the games. You people up there saw there were more like 500 people at that playoff game on tv and i can share the pictures again if you like. It won't matter because money and donors talk, even though we don't know who they are, we know what their agenda is, and that is keeping the current coach for a long, long, long time.
The Truth Is Out There.....
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PerkyforPrez
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I think if there is a lack of results then he will be down the road.
I think if there is a lack of results then he will be down the road.
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Some actual truth here by DB & "Truth". The AD is very loyal to her people, and Laker Hockey has been hamstrung by its funding. The Donor Group has no Laker Hockey Alums associated with it, and no Soo residents involved. For all the speculation we did not come into our money by being stupid, and believe me we would not commit 3-4 million dollars to a coach if his name was Scotty Bowman! Coach Roque has been more than cooperative as has been the entire LSSU Administration. Why would they be anything else in the face of the largest gift ever?
It is fair to say that the Lakers have had their hands tied by funding....if you fund at the 10th place level, 8th place is overachieving!! The Project not only provides "Bricks & Mortar" but requires hockey to supported by a budget that will fit "mid range" into the new CCHA teams (after the Big Ten teams and ND are out of the equation). LSSU will need to raise those additional annual dollars (200k-ish).I hope the fan base can pull together to help. I never knew Frank Anzalone, and without the venom by Ms A 'Truth" would never respond with same. I am not a nice guy, believe me. I am a real competitor, so I can play it anyway anyone wants to. Doing a bit of reading on Coach Anzalone including the issues at Quad City it seems we do some things a lot alike. We are both hard guys to like sometimes it seems. I made my bones in the business arena and am donating back to the sport that taught me some of that toughness. My streets were Chicago, Franks were brooklyn. It sounds like a nasty, ugly break up the second time around at LSSU...I get it. But way before my interest in LSSU. I am a white guy, but not responsible for slavery either.
That said, any coach that can personally hook 3-4 million dollars in donations would be a God in the CCHA and automatically be rewarded with multi-multi-years. The current coaching contract is not everlasting but a fair deal moving forward. The Lakers are dipping into a higher level of recruit with the ability to "show" the new project....as it moves forward the ability to recruit players and coaches if need be will improve. The pay will in line with CCHA jobs, the facilities and player year round scholies and training will be there. Players come & go, coaches come & go over the years. I am a HUGE believer in the fact that the name on the front of the jersey is much more important than the name on the back. We cannot do much about 11-12....12-13 is where we should help change things. I look forward to seeing the Lakers competitive moving forward...next year would be great, because after that everything gets a giant boost.
Believe me...I cannot post during the season because I share MANY frustrating nights as do all fans. But the game has taught me you just dig deeper and keep chopping to make things better. As is DB, I am interested in seeing how the Lakers perform on a more level playing field with the rest of the conference. We move forward as the Big Ten takes some VERY high expense programs out of the conference. LSSU could NEVER directly compete with the budgets assoc with Big Ten and ND. We will see what happens with ND down the road but funding in the middle of the CCHA pack will tell the tale....expectations MUST jump, finishes MUST jump...etc. As I started off Scotty Bowman could not win championships with a 10th place budget.
Some actual truth here by DB & "Truth". The AD is very loyal to her people, and Laker Hockey has been hamstrung by its funding. The Donor Group has no Laker Hockey Alums associated with it, and no Soo residents involved. For all the speculation we did not come into our money by being stupid, and believe me we would not commit 3-4 million dollars to a coach if his name was Scotty Bowman! Coach Roque has been more than cooperative as has been the entire LSSU Administration. Why would they be anything else in the face of the largest gift ever?
It is fair to say that the Lakers have had their hands tied by funding....if you fund at the 10th place level, 8th place is overachieving!! The Project not only provides "Bricks & Mortar" but requires hockey to supported by a budget that will fit "mid range" into the new CCHA teams (after the Big Ten teams and ND are out of the equation). LSSU will need to raise those additional annual dollars (200k-ish).I hope the fan base can pull together to help. I never knew Frank Anzalone, and without the venom by Ms A 'Truth" would never respond with same. I am not a nice guy, believe me. I am a real competitor, so I can play it anyway anyone wants to. Doing a bit of reading on Coach Anzalone including the issues at Quad City it seems we do some things a lot alike. We are both hard guys to like sometimes it seems. I made my bones in the business arena and am donating back to the sport that taught me some of that toughness. My streets were Chicago, Franks were brooklyn. It sounds like a nasty, ugly break up the second time around at LSSU...I get it. But way before my interest in LSSU. I am a white guy, but not responsible for slavery either.
That said, any coach that can personally hook 3-4 million dollars in donations would be a God in the CCHA and automatically be rewarded with multi-multi-years. The current coaching contract is not everlasting but a fair deal moving forward. The Lakers are dipping into a higher level of recruit with the ability to "show" the new project....as it moves forward the ability to recruit players and coaches if need be will improve. The pay will in line with CCHA jobs, the facilities and player year round scholies and training will be there. Players come & go, coaches come & go over the years. I am a HUGE believer in the fact that the name on the front of the jersey is much more important than the name on the back. We cannot do much about 11-12....12-13 is where we should help change things. I look forward to seeing the Lakers competitive moving forward...next year would be great, because after that everything gets a giant boost.
Believe me...I cannot post during the season because I share MANY frustrating nights as do all fans. But the game has taught me you just dig deeper and keep chopping to make things better. As is DB, I am interested in seeing how the Lakers perform on a more level playing field with the rest of the conference. We move forward as the Big Ten takes some VERY high expense programs out of the conference. LSSU could NEVER directly compete with the budgets assoc with Big Ten and ND. We will see what happens with ND down the road but funding in the middle of the CCHA pack will tell the tale....expectations MUST jump, finishes MUST jump...etc. As I started off Scotty Bowman could not win championships with a 10th place budget.
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LSSU Laker Hockey
Perkyfor Prez......Are you aware that Clarkson University (where Jim Roque came from) has the distinct honor of being the D1 men's hockey program with the most wins overall (well over 100) without ever winning a National Title? Along the way, they've had several top coaches including Lenny Ceglarski, who ent on to coach BC.
Perkyfor Prez......Are you aware that Clarkson University (where Jim Roque came from) has the distinct honor of being the D1 men's hockey program with the most wins overall (well over 100) without ever winning a National Title? Along the way, they've had several top coaches including Lenny Ceglarski, who ent on to coach BC.
PerkyforPrez
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Fricker- i know that he went there and i know of the many good things that Jim has done for this University and i am thankful for that but i do not have faith in him as a head coach. Thats just my oppinion plain and simple. I hope he proves me and a lot of other people wrong, oh and i can give a rats *** about Clarkson the Lakers have had a few good coaches also.
3dog any info or updates you post on here is welcome to me. What you and your group are doing for the program is outstanding and what ever info you do not want to release i have no problem with that. I thought at first a couple of you were formers Laker players but as you stated i was wrong. I am a firm beleiver in not looking a gift horse in the mouth. As far as Anzalone is concerned i thought highly of him all along but the nonstop banter from your good friend t.s. i hate to even hear his name. Thank You
Fricker- i know that he went there and i know of the many good things that Jim has done for this University and i am thankful for that but i do not have faith in him as a head coach. Thats just my oppinion plain and simple. I hope he proves me and a lot of other people wrong, oh and i can give a rats *** about Clarkson the Lakers have had a few good coaches also.
3dog any info or updates you post on here is welcome to me. What you and your group are doing for the program is outstanding and what ever info you do not want to release i have no problem with that. I thought at first a couple of you were formers Laker players but as you stated i was wrong. I am a firm beleiver in not looking a gift horse in the mouth. As far as Anzalone is concerned i thought highly of him all along but the nonstop banter from your good friend t.s. i hate to even hear his name. Thank You
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PerkyforPres......Good assistants don't alwas make good head coaches. Case in point, Scott Borek, who was a recruiting genius (along with Brian McCloskey) at Brown, did a good job as Head Coach in turning around Colby College, but was in over his head attempting to follow Jeff Jackson at Lake State. I'm a fan of college hockey and not just one remote team in the CCHA. I, for
one, give a "rats ***" about Clarkson. Clarkson, RPI, and Michigan tech are all top engineering schools that also have a tough time recruiting because of where they are located. RPI, located in Troy, New York, is in a scary part of town. I graduated from Clarkson years ago with a BS degree and a minor in survival. Potsdam gets as much or more snow as the Soo, and they have to shovel their roofs there to.
PerkyforPres......Good assistants don't alwas make good head coaches. Case in point, Scott Borek, who was a recruiting genius (along with Brian McCloskey) at Brown, did a good job as Head Coach in turning around Colby College, but was in over his head attempting to follow Jeff Jackson at Lake State. I'm a fan of college hockey and not just one remote team in the CCHA. I, for
one, give a "rats ***" about Clarkson. Clarkson, RPI, and Michigan tech are all top engineering schools that also have a tough time recruiting because of where they are located. RPI, located in Troy, New York, is in a scary part of town. I graduated from Clarkson years ago with a BS degree and a minor in survival. Potsdam gets as much or more snow as the Soo, and they have to shovel their roofs there to.
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I understand what you are saying; it seems that fund raising has become a part of coaching in any sport.
I understand what you are saying; it seems that fund raising has become a part of coaching in any sport.
PerkyforPrez
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Fricker have i ever told you about the weekend we got six feet of snow back in 96 or 97 and it quit snowing around noon on sunday. So i had to actually shovel off my roof 2 times that weekend before the snow even stopped and once after it stopped.
I do not wish ill will to any College Hockey program but i am concerned with the Lakers first and formost who i consider a large part of my life. Jim recruited a lot of the players that helped the Lakers back in the Glory days and despite what he says or jokes i thought he was a pretty good college player himself back in the 80's for the Lakers. But my oppinion is my oppinion.
Fricker have i ever told you about the weekend we got six feet of snow back in 96 or 97 and it quit snowing around noon on sunday. So i had to actually shovel off my roof 2 times that weekend before the snow even stopped and once after it stopped.
I do not wish ill will to any College Hockey program but i am concerned with the Lakers first and formost who i consider a large part of my life. Jim recruited a lot of the players that helped the Lakers back in the Glory days and despite what he says or jokes i thought he was a pretty good college player himself back in the 80's for the Lakers. But my oppinion is my oppinion.
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