LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

[LSSULaker889294]

Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

I am not done with My numbers yet but every where I go in the Sault I am hearing a negative Roque sentiment.

I wonder if someone should start a Facebook page for a campaign to fire him or is that a bad idea?

 

[Lakerblue]

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We may not have the raw numbers to validate your "sample size" but the only numbers you really need to know are 1431, 1587 and 1084. Those are the dismal attendance numbers for the Lakers opening round of the playoffs. The fact that only 1,084 fans managed to show up for the 3rd and deciding game is ample evidence that not all is well in Laker land and in fact all has not been well for quite some time. You talk of a low budget, well with this kind of support is it any wonder?

I can tell you that the dozens of Laker fans that I know all want Roque gone....I cannot find a single supporter of his, other than a couple of you here on line. He is not popular in the wider community and the majority of Laker fans have become indifferent to the state of the program...and that is the worst place a program looking for financial support can find itself in. Less and less people care about Laker hockey. This decline has to stop.

Indifference is the killer.

 

[Lakerblue]

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If the budgets are not a big deal, and things are equal as far as budgets and recruiting rules, how do you explain that from 75-94, Seven smaller schools won the NCAA (3 to LSSU) and five more made the final. And since the Lakers won in 94, only UMD has won it and only 2 more have made it to the final.

I think you need to look at the coaches names in those games, like York, Berenson, Hakstol, Blais, Lucia . . .

 

[davyd83]

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I think you need to look at the coaches names in those games, like York, Berenson, Hakstol, Blais, Lucia . . .

None of whom makes less than $300,000 a year. None who has a small recruiting budget. None who is at a small underfunded program.

 

[PerkyforPrez]

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We may not have the raw numbers to validate your "sample size" but the only numbers you really need to know are 1431, 1587 and 1084. Those are the dismal attendance numbers for the Lakers opening round of the playoffs. The fact that only 1,084 fans managed to show up for the 3rd and deciding game is ample evidence that not all is well in Laker land and in fact all has not been well for quite some time. You talk of a low budget, well with this kind of support is it any wonder?

I can tell you that the dozens of Laker fans that I know all want Roque gone....I cannot find a single supporter of his, other than a couple of you here on line. He is not popular in the wider community and the majority of Laker fans have become indifferent to the state of the program...and that is the worst place a program looking for financial support can find itself in. Less and less people care about Laker hockey. This decline has to stop.

I have had about the same experience around the Hockey community.

 

[sm2pk]

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Let's be honest. Roque is not leaving at this time and I think we all know that . What I would like to see is Roque come to grips with the fact nothing is working to change the program at this stage . Coach Roque, look at your program from cardio to strength to practices to game plans and get some advice from others on how to revamp your coaching methods .


Roque, didn't being humiliated against Bowling Green on home ice cause a light to go on in your head ? I don't know how you run your practices or anything else but I know what the results are and it is not working . I thought the bigger humiliation wasn't being beaten down on the ice but only 1000 fans bothering to show up for a do or die play-off game. Roque.I don't know how long fans can go to games and wonder if the A team or B team is going to show . My gut tells me that is wearing thin.

 

[DM2SM]

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I think you would find your numbers are skewed considerably, especially with those who have the ability to change the coaching situation. Which is why we are heading to a 9th season instead of a 1st.
*I also have no idea what percentage want a change, so you may be right. We just don't have the data to make an accurate projection at this time.

Now you have addressed the issue. It is hard to understand how a Coach Roque has developed such an alliance on campus to have created such security while creating so much animosity outside of the University boundaries.

Possibly Coach Roque could be moved into an Athletic Fund Raising Position to oversee the renovation project and raise additional monies. It has been reported he is closely tied to the private annonymous donors so this could be a win/win. If he is that well thought of on campus give him a title of Associate Athletic Director to put on his resume'.
This could satisfy everyone. He could even pursue other coaching opportunities if he wished to remain in coaching. Just thinking outside the box.

 

[Laker54]

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10 people on this thread does not constitute a suitable sample size. Unless you are polling the entire Sault community, you have absolutely no idea what percentage want a coaching change. I think you would find your numbers are skewed considerably, especially with those who have the ability to change the coaching situation. Which is why we are heading to a 9th season instead of a 1st.

NNL

*I also have no idea what percentage want a change, so you may be right. We just don't have the data to make an accurate projection at this time.

What I do know is while sitting in the Taffy at games I hear quite a few frustrated fans. One I recall said 'same old crap as last year'. So I do believe there are quite a few Laker fans who want to see a change. The sooner the better.

 

[Lakers2Glory]

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Now you have addressed the issue. It is hard to understand how a Coach Roque has developed such an alliance on campus to have created such security while creating so much animosity outside of the University boundaries.

Possibly Coach Roque could be moved into an Athletic Fund Raising Position to oversee the renovation project and raise additional monies. It has been reported he is closely tied to the private annonymous donors so this could be a win/win. If he is that well thought of on campus give him a title of Associate Athletic Director to put on his resume'.
This could satisfy everyone. He could even pursue other coaching opportunities if he wished to remain in coaching. Just thinking outside the box.

Although I can appreciate 'out-of-the-box' thinking, we all know that's not going to happen. If they had enough dough to make that happen, they would just send him packing and pay someone a decent salary. Hockey coaches always want to coach, well, unless your Ron Mason

 

[Lakers2Glory]

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What I do know is while sitting in the Taffy at games I hear quite a few frustrated fans. One I recall said 'same old crap as last year'. So I do believe there are quite a few Laker fans who want to see a change. The sooner the better.

One was probably me.

We may not have the raw numbers to validate your "sample size" but the only numbers you really need to know are 1431, 1587 and 1084. Those are the dismal attendance numbers for the Lakers opening round of the playoffs. The fact that only 1,084 fans managed to show up for the 3rd and deciding game is ample evidence that not all is well in Laker land and in fact all has not been well for quite some time. You talk of a low budget, well with this kind of support is it any wonder?

I was simply stating a basic principal of statistics. Wasn't trying to argue with the overall message, just the random % thrown out there.

Let's be honest. Roque is not leaving at this time and I think we all know that . What I would like to see is Roque come to grips with the fact nothing is working to change the program at this stage . Coach Roque, look at your program from cardio to strength to practices to game plans and get some advice from others on how to revamp your coaching methods .

Roque, didn't being humiliated against Bowling Green on home ice cause a light to go on in your head ? I don't know how you run your practices or anything else but I know what the results are and it is not working . I thought the bigger humiliation wasn't being beaten down on the ice but only 1000 fans bothering to show up for a do or die play-off game. Roque.I don't know how long fans can go to games and wonder if the A team or B team is going to show . My gut tells me that is wearing thin.

Couldn't agree more. None of us really know what the "game plan" has been, but we can agree it has not produced the results to meet expectations. Roque is going to have to make some decent changes to several areas, or the high expectations for next year are going to be his LSSU swan song.

 

[Lakerblue]

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Gwozdecky to the Soo?

 

[Bill]

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Gwozdecky to the Soo?

Who will pay his salary?

 

[jnacc]

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Who will pay his salary?

Jim Roque's special connections!

 

[LSSULaker889294]

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Who will pay his salary?

Truth Squad!

 

[Lakerblue]

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Well, Gwozdecky probably makes more than the entire budget for the City of Sault Ste. Marie . . . so I think he should agree to coach LSSU for free AND donate $300,000.00 a year to Soo Youth Hockey. Its only fair and its only right.

 

[DM2SM]

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Although I can appreciate 'out-of-the-box' thinking, we all know that's not going to happen. If they had enough dough to make that happen, they would just send him packing and pay someone a decent salary. Hockey coaches always want to coach, well, unless your Ron Mason

Please don’t take this post the wrong way because I don’t have the passion for Laker hockey that you do. I do this for amusement.
I agree with you that nothing will change but please consider what the majority of Laker fans who purchase tickets and do not work at the University or are not connected to “those that are in control” are feeling.
What “We know” is that LSSU will be picked to finish in the bottom half of the league again next year regardless of which league. We know that of the games we win, most will come in the first half and whether or not we finish a couple games over .500 will be determined by how many first half games we win before we hit our second half tailspin. We also know that there will be no coaching change and the only defense that Coach Roques friends will have is to discuss the budget, his salary, who he knows and that if he doesn’t show improvement next year it may be his last. We know this because it has happened for six straight years. Please do me a favor and look up the definition of “Insanity”.
What we uneducated folk see are three teams in the NCAA final four this year that have never been there before and a fourth that hasn’t been there since the 50’s. Yes we agree that we cannot afford a present day big name coach. What we want is the George Gwozdecky that coached at River Falls Wisc. The Jeff Jackson or Bob Daniels that coached in the NAHL. The coach from Mass-Lowell that coached Div. III three years ago. The Don Lucia that started in Fairbanks AK. What we want is a feeling that the team we pay to see has a goal. ANY GOAL. Ferris State made the final four, Bemidji made the final four, Mankato made the national tournament this year and Robert Morris tied with WMU for the last NCAA spot and was knocked out by some conference playoff upsets.
The program needs some positive energy. When you imply that Coach Roque is safe because he is connected to the right people on campus, it does not present well in public. It reminds us of how he got the job in the first place. He had no resume’ that should have earned him the job and has done very little to maintain it.
It is not at good thing when more people showed up for each of the Eagles games last weekend than for game three of a do or die playoff series. Just some thoughts to ponder.

 

[Lakers2Glory]

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Please do me a favor and look up the definition of “Insanity”.

Insanity /in·san·i·ty/-noun: an incredibly hard workout, possibly the hardest fitness program ever put on DVD.

The program needs some positive energy. When you imply that Coach Roque is safe because he is connected to the right people on campus, it does not present well in public. It reminds us of how he got the job in the first place. He had no resume’ that should have earned him the job and has done very little to maintain it.

To quote Dan Akroyd in Tommy Boy, "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." If just about everyone wants a coaching change and none is made, the only acceptable reason why is the people who control his destiny are in his corner. You are 100% correct that it doesn't present well in public. Why? No one likes an ***-kisser.

It is not at good thing when more people showed up for each of the Eagles games last weekend than for game three of a do or die playoff series. Just some thoughts to ponder.

Let's be honest: there is really nothing to do in the Soo right now. The Eagles games have little to no competition right now. LSSU playoff weekend there was an Eagles home series, Firehawks home series & Sault High had 500 fans at Compuware for the finals. I think there was a Kewadin event too. There may have been other factors weighing on attendance.
Let's also be honest: Winning usually draws in more fans. Can't argue with that fact either.

 

[Lakers2Glory]

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What about Joe Shawhan? Plenty of NAHL experience and as a D-1 assistant. I bet he would move back home for $80-90K?

 

[sm2pk]

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Joe Shawhan might be a good pick as well as the guy in Adrian.

 

[DM2SM]

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What about Joe Shawhan? Plenty of NAHL experience and as a D-1 assistant. I bet he would move back home for $80-90K?

My point is not to anoint anyone. Just the opposite, I think if things would have been done properly and a national search had taken place originally we may have gotten an upstart version of the names I mentioned. If you research Coach Roque the only head coaching experience he had resulted in a dismal record and a mid season firing in Manitoba or Saskatchewan. Maybe we could have lured someone such as Coach Rolston back. He is the Head Coach in Buffalo in the NHL. If it were to ever happen, we would get hundreds of applicants to choose from.