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LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

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I am convinced that at least 98% of the Laker fans want a coaching change. I do not personally know a single individual that supports Coach Roque and to most it goes farther than just his coaching. Although it is noble of his friends to come on this board and give it their all, It’s difficult to defend their friend on this site when there is such consistency in his performance. This stands out when reading the posts of the loyal few.
Trying to spin this discussion to low funding is no longer an argument as everyone knows that funding equates to the ability to properly recruit and the assistant coaches have done their share by delivering talent to the program regardless of what the funding level has been. We have had more talent than many teams in our league consistently for years in succession with equal results.
Trying to spin the discussion by forcing us to name who we think could do better is a mute point. People are not asking for a particular successor, people are asking for a change.
Why ask for change? Mr. Truth Squad has said it perfectly. Every year has the same storyline. Not just close but identical. Coach Roque is the longest tenured coach in Laker History. You would think that he would be highly respected but my understanding is that Mr. Anchors Aweigh is accurate when he says that Coach Roque’s likeability in the community, with Laker Alumn’s and within the team is low. I mean where else do you hear of a college coach in any community calling the police to arrest a linesman? And people on here actually berate the official? Why did Coach Roque’s top two winning percentages occur his first two years? These two teams had the least talent statistically. I offer the following. Maybe the previous Head Coach had the team on the verge. Maybe Coach Roque’s inability to deal with people has wore thin. Maybe the previous A.D. had greater demands, or maybe the assistant coach that everyone felt was coaching the team, actually was. That is what should be discussed isn’t it?
 
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If you believe in merit pay; Roque has not deserved anything more than he is making. If he were to show he had good coaching skills he could possibly earn more. So you could say LSSU is paying for what it gets. I'm sure if they were to replace him they realize they will need to increase the salary.
 
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The fact is this: Winning coaches win. Jackson didn't win at LSSU because of budget -- he won because he was a fantastic coach. Gwozdecky won at Miami with no budget -- he built the program (virtually). And then he went and won at Denver. He was let go today not because of budget, but because he stopped providing Denver with NCAA wins and titles. Don Lucia with the horid gophers wins -- he won at UAF, he won at CC despte CC being bone-terrible for a generation, and he won at Minnesota. On a smaller scale, Guy Gadowski won at UAF (he was an alleged low-priced nobody when UAF hired him) -- then Gadowski won at Princeton for the first time in a generation -- then parlayed those low-budget wins into a big paycheck at Penn State.

Who was Gwozdecky, Lucia, or Gadowski before their first coaching gig? Would LSSU take one of those coaches now?

Where am I going with this? I guess my point is this: Winning coaches win. The only thing the budget limits is how long you can keep a stud coach.

So has coach Roque, budget or otherwise, distinguished himself as an up and coming coach?

Here is the test: Are we constantly hearing rumors of other teams showing "interest" in our coach? Are we hearing about how we can't aford to keep our coach, and "as much as he loves LSSU, he just can't turn down that sort of opportunity . . . "?

No. We are not.

After 8 years, you should either be hearing those rumors -- or looking for a new head coach.

Just my opinion.

Salary is meaningless in this sort of debate. Winning coaches win. Then you have to figure out how to pay them . . . . after they win.

Well done

Thanks for the new spin on this discussion
 
If you believe in merit pay; Roque has not deserved anything more than he is making. If he were to show he had good coaching skills he could possibly earn more. So you could say LSSU is paying for what it gets. I'm sure if they were to replace him they realize they will need to increase the salary.

Just curious.. If things are equal from a coaching and recruiting standpoint, if budget is not a major factor and if the plaing field is as equal now as it was in 94, explain how from 75-94 that seven NCAA titles and five more runners up were from smaller schools, but since LSSU won in 94, only UMD has won it all and only one other smaller funded school has played in the championship game.....
 
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Dave, our discussion has been pretty much most fans are ready for a change of coach. No one thinks lightning will strike twice for us. Inconsistent play or not getting the most out of what talent is brought in is the big issues with most fans on here. I have no idea why you have to keep playing the devil's advocate here.
 
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At the end of the season,why not have the NCAA just pick the top 16 highest paid coaches and send them to the tournament . I am getting the impression some people think teams can't win if they don't have a big budget .
 
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Maybe Roque will put in for the Denver job . Anazalone tried back in 1990 I believe and look where it got him. Fired from Lake State.
 
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I am convinced that at least 98% of the Laker fans want a coaching change.
10 people on this thread does not constitute a suitable sample size. Unless you are polling the entire Sault community, you have absolutely no idea what percentage want a coaching change. I think you would find your numbers are skewed considerably, especially with those who have the ability to change the coaching situation. Which is why we are heading to a 9th season instead of a 1st.

NNL

*I also have no idea what percentage want a change, so you may be right. We just don't have the data to make an accurate projection at this time.
 
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10 people on this thread does not constitute a suitable sample size. Unless you are polling the entire Sault community, you have absolutely no idea what percentage want a coaching change. I think you would find your numbers are skewed considerably, especially with those who have the ability to change the coaching situation. Which is why we are heading to a 9th season instead of a 1st.

NNL

I would say that 99% of people up there want Jim Roque back. His record speaks for itself, the players love him, and is a gentleman. I hope Lake Superior State can keep him, because Denver will be one among numerous other schools trying to pursue such a winner and class act. Great job by the LSSU Athletic Director to keep him for this long, and at such a bargain, and the hockey program is flourishing because of it. In year 9, this head coach is on track to have his best season yet. You just wait and see, this is the year.
 
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Jim Roque Career Totals: 120W 146L 45T .458
Bob Daniels Career Totals 350W 378L 84T .483

It took Bob Daniels 10 years to make an NCAA tourney (91-92 to 01-02) and then another 10 years to make it back (01-02 to 11-12). After 800 games played, he still doesn't have a .500 record. Maybe Roque just needs another 500 games under his belt??? :)

Gary Wright 292W 526L 65T .367
American International has had the same coach for almost 30 years and he only wins 1/3 of the time. I wonder why he's still there? (not related to our situation, just thought it was interesting).
 
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Jim Roque Career Totals: 120W 146L 45T .458
Bob Daniels Career Totals 350W 378L 84T .483

It took Bob Daniels 10 years to make an NCAA tourney (91-92 to 01-02) and then another 10 years to make it back (01-02 to 11-12). After 800 games played, he still doesn't have a .500 record. Maybe Roque just needs another 500 games under his belt??? :)

Gary Wright 292W 526L 65T .367
American International has had the same coach for almost 30 years and he only wins 1/3 of the time. I wonder why he's still there? (not related to our situation, just thought it was interesting).

I wonder if NMU fans want Walt Kyle fired.? He hasn't had much more success than Roque. Zero NCAA tournament wins, zero league titles, zero league tournament titles, early playoff exits. Same as Roque.
 
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I wonder if NMU fans want Walt Kyle fired.? He hasn't had much more success than Roque. Zero NCAA tournament wins, zero league titles, zero league tournament titles, early playoff exits. Same as Roque.
Probably at least a few do. But overall Kyle has a .528 winning percentage vs .451 for Roque, plus he's had 7 winning seasons out of 11 total, and has had an NCAA appearance, so there's probably not a lot of NMU fans wanting him fired.
 
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Besides his golf buddies, family members and obedient lap dogs on here, I wonder how many other people could honestly answer they would want Jim Roque coaching their team and son, instead of Walt Kyle? Baaaaaa

The Truth Is Out There....
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I am not done with My numbers yet but every where I go in the Sault I am hearing a negative Roque sentiment.
 
Probably at least a few do. But overall Kyle has a .528 winning percentage vs .451 for Roque, plus he's had 7 winning seasons out of 11 total, and has had an NCAA appearance, so there's probably not a lot of NMU fans wanting him fired.

7 trips to the Joe don't hurt his standing either. If NMU were to fire Kyle, it would likely take the program down, not up. Based upon the success at the UP institutions to its east and west over the past 11 years, NMU has done well. And when compared to the members of the new WCHA over that time, NMU is on top, more than 30 games ahead of #2 and 50 wins ahead of #3. NMU also made an NCAA appearance 3 yrs ago and was the first team out a year ago. When comparing apples to apples, NMU has done quite well.
 
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10 people on this thread does not constitute a suitable sample size. Unless you are polling the entire Sault community, you have absolutely no idea what percentage want a coaching change. I think you would find your numbers are skewed considerably, especially with those who have the ability to change the coaching situation. Which is why we are heading to a 9th season instead of a 1st.

NNL

*I also have no idea what percentage want a change, so you may be right. We just don't have the data to make an accurate projection at this time.

We may not have the raw numbers to validate your "sample size" but the only numbers you really need to know are 1431, 1587 and 1084. Those are the dismal attendance numbers for the Lakers opening round of the playoffs. The fact that only 1,084 fans managed to show up for the 3rd and deciding game is ample evidence that not all is well in Laker land and in fact all has not been well for quite some time. You talk of a low budget, well with this kind of support is it any wonder?

I can tell you that the dozens of Laker fans that I know all want Roque gone....I cannot find a single supporter of his, other than a couple of you here on line. He is not popular in the wider community and the majority of Laker fans have become indifferent to the state of the program...and that is the worst place a program looking for financial support can find itself in. Less and less people care about Laker hockey. This decline has to stop.
 
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