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LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

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In my opiion, it'll be a real stretch forScott Borek toearn another shot at a D1 head coaching job.While he is an absolutely fantastic recruiting assistant, after helpingto turn around the brown program with
Brian McCloskey for Bob Gaudet, he failed miserably at Lake State. Although the program was clearly headed south two years before ZJeff Jackson bailed out and both his assistants had fled the sinking ship,
Borek, out of respect for Jackson and fear of the vocal minority, stubornly refused to change the Lakers stye of play and it cost him. IMO, he had an abundance of talent that he continually smouthered. We
had forwards who came in with scorers labels who died on the vine and defensemen, my son included, who were known as offensive defensemen who only could bank the puck off the glsss coming out of their own end and not join the rush coming over the offensve blue line. Right now, you can pick a new D1 head coach from a pretty long list of just D1 woemn's coaches (McCloskey & Brian Durocher (BU) quickly
come to mind, ahead of somebody like Borek who is carrying some significant baggage. Bummer................
 
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Fricker,at one point you say Borek took over a program that was heading south for two years before Jackson bailed and than you tell us Borek had an abundance of talent that he allowed to die on the vine . Which is it ? If what you say about Borek is true , Borek was a much worse coach than I even imagined. Borek sounds like he wasn't his own man but coached the team on how others wanted it to be coached . Had Borek played his abundance of talent as you say he had, and won, the town and school would have been with him and not against him .
 
Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

In my opiion, it'll be a real stretch forScott Borek toearn another shot at a D1 head coaching job.While he is an absolutely fantastic recruiting assistant, after helpingto turn around the brown program with
Brian McCloskey for Bob Gaudet, he failed miserably at Lake State. Although the program was clearly headed south two years before ZJeff Jackson bailed out and both his assistants had fled the sinking ship,
Borek, out of respect for Jackson and fear of the vocal minority, stubornly refused to change the Lakers stye of play and it cost him. IMO, he had an abundance of talent that he continually smouthered. We
had forwards who came in with scorers labels who died on the vine and defensemen, my son included, who were known as offensive defensemen who only could bank the puck off the glsss coming out of their own end and not join the rush coming over the offensve blue line. Right now, you can pick a new D1 head coach from a pretty long list of just D1 woemn's coaches (McCloskey & Brian Durocher (BU) quickly
come to mind, ahead of somebody like Borek who is carrying some significant baggage. Bummer................


Did I see Borek doing quite well at UNH as an assistant for the past 11 years? He is still there and highly respected.

And a shortreview of Borek's coaching resume prior to landing at LSSU shows a steady stream of success upon success -- as a D-I assistant and a very highly-regarded D-III head coach. Landing him -- at the time -- was considered something of a coup. He was arguably one of the more impressive "climbers" in college hockey. He was considered a very solid recruiter and did amazing work at Brown (and has done great things at UNH since).

I think of these things when I hear Ron Fogarty's name being kicked around (Adrian coach). For every "Guy Gadowski" type success story in coaching, there are 10 "Scott Boreks." Guys who, for one reason or another, could not get it done as the main man in a D-I program. But that is a risk programs take in an effort to be the best, and find the best. In some ways, you can't be totally Risk-adverse.

I believe you have to try. Scott Borek did not do a good job at LSSU. He is generally blamed for driving the program into the dirt -- and he certainly must partially share that blame regardless of circumstances and situations.

But I contend that LSSU did not make a mistake bringing in Borek, and perhaps -- perhaps -- if Scott Borek wasn't wearing the weight of pressure he mayl have been more free to impliment his own style? I don't know. But after it was decided to move Borek along down the road, LSSU made a huge mistake in not trying to grab the next up-and-comer and bring in a fresh set of eyes to run what was -- still at that point -- a well regarded and financially sound and supporte and attractive program. Instead of opening up the program to a national search to see who would guide this still-excellent program -- the administration foolishly fell back to Frank Anzalone -- who by this time was hopelessly out of date regarding college hockey -- from recruiting, to coaching, to overall program management. Times had changed in D-I hockey. LSSU was well positioned, with a great stadium, great facilities, and still-valid name recognition with multiple top-tier NHL players flying the flag in Rolston and Weight -- and instead the program moved decidedly backwards.

After it was more-than-clear that Anzalone was a D-I fossil who was horribly past his prime, LSSU then doubled down on its Anzalone mistake by moving to Roque. Why Roque? Other than his long ties to the program, was he a nationally-sought-after rising star? Oh, I think I understand the reasoning -- he was cheap, he was willing to remain cheap, he had a direct link to the Glory Days, and he was a solid administrator who ran a clean and trouble free locker room. And as some have commented here and elsewhere, he had some good friends in the community.

Now we are many years down the line. Coach Roque has stabilized the program from the free-fall under Anzalone and Borek's final year. He guided the program through 2009-2011 when it appeared the Michigan Depression might actually destroy all of LSSU, not just the athetics program. His players are good kids, decent students, and rarely cause any trouble. And the financial state of the program (Recruiting, facilities, and most of all fund-raising) is much more modernized than it was when he arrived. And he appears to get along well with the College administration.

But looking at the big picture, the last time LSSU did any serious national search for New Blood was maybe when Borek was brought in as an assistant.

I don't foresee Coach Roque leaving anytime soon.

However, if the Lakers did move Roque, I would prefer a large nationwide search. In my opinion, the program needs new blood, new attitude, a new set of eyes.
 
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sm2pk..............I stand by my statement cuz it's right. The Juniors & Seniors Scott inherited from Jeff Jackson were, basically, similar to the type of players hed had won with in the past. The Freshman & Sophomores were not. This isn't a "Fricker pipe dream", I was told this by Ron Rolston at Oak Park Arena. OK?
 
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BTW, The Buckeyes have shown a major difference between thier hockey program & the Lakers. Their AD had the guts to make a change AND the funds to by out the coaches contract with two years remaining, we don't......game, set, and match.
 
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BTW, The Buckeyes have shown a major difference between thier hockey program & the Lakers. Their AD had the guts to make a change AND the funds to by out the coaches contract with two years remaining, we don't......game, set, and match.

Add to that the "unnamed donor" friend of the coach, who demands a multi-year contract as conditions of the so called project. He got it, and low and behold the project is finally starting. You people up there are stuck with Jim Roque for a long time.

The Truth Is Out There...
TBA
 
Add to that the "unnamed donor" friend of the coach, who demands a multi-year contract as conditions of the so called project. He got it, and low and behold the project is finally starting. You people up there are stuck with Jim Roque for a long time.

The Truth Is Out There...
TBA
Unfortunately that also means we're stuck with Serum Squad crowing about washed up coaches and 4th line superstars. The only thing good is that the Serum Squad is doing it online instead of on the bench or from the ADs office. It's obvious the Truth Sisters know little about the real world of D-Ivcollege hockey. No doubt Roque has underachieved. That's a fact. A change may be of benefit. But the only thing more annoying than his record is the schizophrenic Truth.

The Serum Squad is out there...waaaaaay out there!
 
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Add to that the "unnamed donor" friend of the coach, who demands a multi-year contract as conditions of the so called project. He got it, and low and behold the project is finally starting. You people up there are stuck with Jim Roque for a long time.

The Truth Is Out There...
TBA
What makes you think the Norris Center Project has any direct connections to Jim Roque? What is your source for that information?
 
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BTW, The Buckeyes have shown a major difference between thier hockey program & the Lakers. Their AD had the guts to make a change AND the funds to by out the coaches contract with two years remaining, we don't......game, set, and match.

Are you saying AD Dunbar lacks intestinal fortitude?

You must have missed all the other major differences. OSU Athletics' merchandise sales alone eclipse LSSU's entire Athletic Department budget. Try comparing apples to apples next time. Thanks.
 
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Are you saying AD Dunbar lacks intestinal fortitude?

You must have missed all the other major differences. OSU Athletics' merchandise sales alone eclipse LSSU's entire Athletic Department budget. Try comparing apples to apples next time. Thanks.
Did you read his whole post? He's saying that Dunbar lacks the funds to buy out Roque's contract, assuming there is a year (or more) left on it. Some people are saying Roque's contract is year to year and some are saying it's still got a year left. So who are we to believe? If it is a year to year contract, then maybe you could say FRICKER thinks Dunbar lacks the guts to make a change.
 
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Did you read his whole post? He's saying that Dunbar lacks the funds to buy out Roque's contract, assuming there is a year (or more) left on it. Some people are saying Roque's contract is year to year and some are saying it's still got a year left. So who are we to believe? If it is a year to year contract, then maybe you could say FRICKER thinks Dunbar lacks the guts to make a change.

I read the whole post. What he is saying is AD Dunbar, if she had enough funds available, doesn't have the guts to fire Roque. I just wanted to make sure that is indeed what he meant to say.
 
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I read the whole post. What he is saying is AD Dunbar, if she had enough funds available, doesn't have the guts to fire Roque. I just wanted to make sure that is indeed what he meant to say.
If Roque does still have a year left on his contract, and the Lakers fare little if any better next season, and Roque isn't fired, then it would be hard to argue with FRICKER if that is really what he thinks. On the other hand. the OSU situation is different than the LSSU one, and there is another way to interpret FRICKER's comment, that only lack of funds is preventing Dunbar from firing Roque (assuming he has a season left on his contract).
 
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I think the Lakers should be in the top 5 in the standings or make it to the WCHA Final 5 in order for Roque to be back for the 2014-15 season.
 
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I wonder -- just wonder -- how long Ms. Dunbar lasts?

Not a whole lot of Glory since 2006 . . .
 
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BTW, The Buckeyes have shown a major difference between thier hockey program & the Lakers. Their AD had the guts to make a change AND the funds to by out the coaches contract with two years remaining, we don't......game, set, and match.

I agree with the money part, OSU certainly has the funds to buy out any contract that want although, I'm not ready to call getting rid of Osiecki "gutsy" yet...it depends who they replace him with....if they end up getting George Gwodzecky or another proven, high profile type then I would call it shrewd, however if they can't land someone with good credentials then I would probably call it foolish...OSU's program is on the upswing, they got farther this past year then they had in awhile, and although I know many OSU fans didn't particularly care for Osiecki's callous, brash personality I think many would agree that if there is one conference in college hockey that is best fit for that type of coach it would certainly be the Big Ten, with its high and mighty stigma
 
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I wonder -- just wonder -- how long Ms. Dunbar lasts?

Not a whole lot of Glory since 2006 . . .

Probably as long as she wants to, she has LSSU ties and she's probably not being pain much compared to other AD's...she is a perfect fit for the general malaise of the LSSU administration
 
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Alaska Anchorage has announced their finalists for the head coaching position. It's a very underwhelming bunch. Assistants from Tech and Air Force and two D-III coaches, one with a losing career record and back to back losing seasons, the other with no D-I playing, coaching or assisting experience. Others mentioned in connection with the opening included a local high school coach and one of their own assistants. Now if this job pays 50% more than LSSU, just what kind of field do you think would apply. UAA got very little interest from top USHL coaches, top NCAA assistants or experienced head coaches. Do you really think they'd be lining up to come to the Soo?
 
Re: LSSU Laker Hockey 2012-2013, Part 2

Alaska Anchorage has announced their finalists for the head coaching position. It's a very underwhelming bunch. Assistants from Tech and Air Force and two D-III coaches, one with a losing career record and back to back losing seasons, the other with no D-I playing, coaching or assisting experience. Others mentioned in connection with the opening included a local high school coach and one of their own assistants. Now if this job pays 50% more than LSSU, just what kind of field do you think would apply. UAA got very little interest from top USHL coaches, top NCAA assistants or experienced head coaches. Do you really think they'd be lining up to come to the Soo?
There's one way to find out.
 
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