BleedinBlueLaker93
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Re: LSSU hockey 2013-14
forgot to add......Operating$ + Staff$ = total hockey budget
forgot to add......Operating$ + Staff$ = total hockey budget
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LSSU hockey 2013-14
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Re: LSSU hockey 2013-14
As far as your comment about attracting a top coach, I don't think any of us are expecting to be able to so. What we're hoping for (when Roque is gone) is an up and coming coach who perhaps is getting his first Div 1 head coaching job at LSSU, and if he stayed around for a while that would be gravy. How much did Ron Mason make when he started at LSSU? What about Rick Comley, Frank Anzalone, Jeff Jackson? I don't think any of these guys were making a bundle when they started at LSSU, especially when compared to other schools playing Div 1 hockey.
Thanks for the numbers. I don't think it's any surprise that LSSU was at the bottom in 2007, and it's highly likely we still are.
As far as your comment about attracting a top coach, I don't think any of us are expecting to be able to so. What we're hoping for (when Roque is gone) is an up and coming coach who perhaps is getting his first Div 1 head coaching job at LSSU, and if he stayed around for a while that would be gravy. How much did Ron Mason make when he started at LSSU? What about Rick Comley, Frank Anzalone, Jeff Jackson? I don't think any of these guys were making a bundle when they started at LSSU, especially when compared to other schools playing Div 1 hockey.
gfmorris
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I think that you'd be competing against the expectations/realities of what Anchorage just paid Thomas and we just paid Corbett. I haven't seen any of the terms of Mike's deal, but I'm pretty sure that he's in the $110-140k range, which is most of that budget line item listed above.
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I think that you'd be competing against the expectations/realities of what Anchorage just paid Thomas and we just paid Corbett. I haven't seen any of the terms of Mike's deal, but I'm pretty sure that he's in the $110-140k range, which is most of that budget line item listed above.
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BleedinBlueLaker93
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My thoughts exactly. The only way the hill gets at chance at a good coach with talent is both money and proper hiring. Keeping a good coach takes money and a means to keep his drive to succeed at a high level. The kings on the hill have no more $$$ and when someone offered to give more to hockey the kings have turned it down. Also the kings on the hill are very complacent and have no urgency to keep good talent around so they (coaches and talent) leave. Look at who has been hired on the hill over the last several years for prominent positions on the kings court... All local prince and princess. Those few that have been hired from outside the kingdom don't stay long or if they do the soon become submissive, complacent, and no urgency! Good talent is hard to find, keeping good talent is even harder. The kings know that keeping good talent will shine light on their lack of abilities and leadership.....so off with their heads or leave! The kings also don't offer the coaches a means to improve themselves... No coaches clinics, no leadership education, no leadership mentors, nothing by which our three coaches can improve.... Let's face it when you hire a coach who owns an insurance company and makes more from this full time job than coaching.... That speaks volume about the kings of the hill.
My thoughts exactly. The only way the hill gets at chance at a good coach with talent is both money and proper hiring. Keeping a good coach takes money and a means to keep his drive to succeed at a high level. The kings on the hill have no more $$$ and when someone offered to give more to hockey the kings have turned it down. Also the kings on the hill are very complacent and have no urgency to keep good talent around so they (coaches and talent) leave. Look at who has been hired on the hill over the last several years for prominent positions on the kings court... All local prince and princess. Those few that have been hired from outside the kingdom don't stay long or if they do the soon become submissive, complacent, and no urgency! Good talent is hard to find, keeping good talent is even harder. The kings know that keeping good talent will shine light on their lack of abilities and leadership.....so off with their heads or leave! The kings also don't offer the coaches a means to improve themselves... No coaches clinics, no leadership education, no leadership mentors, nothing by which our three coaches can improve.... Let's face it when you hire a coach who owns an insurance company and makes more from this full time job than coaching.... That speaks volume about the kings of the hill.
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Who specifically are you referring to when you say "they (coaches and talent) leave"?
BleedinBlueLaker93
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To name a few....Jeff Jackson, Ron Mason (look how long did he stayed at MSU), Ron Rolston, Rick Comley (his tenure at NMU and MSU), all these coaches started at LSSU and finished someplace else with the exception of JJ who is still coaching. In the past 15 years what/how/where does LSSU provide for improving its coach staff's talent and skill set. Want an example....the game of college hockey has swiftly changed in the last 5 or so years yet LSSU approaches the game the same way it did when we won games and championships. I don't blame JR & TC for where our program is today! I blame the school for not sending JR & TC out to learn new skills and talents to coach today's hockey game and hockey players...Ask JR, TC & DL what hockey players are like today. They will tell you its a whole different ball game, yet the only skill and talent they have was what they learned when they were players....won't work on today's players. When has LSSU step up to the plate and sent these coaches out to get the skills they need to do the job that is here and now......
To name a few....Jeff Jackson, Ron Mason (look how long did he stayed at MSU), Ron Rolston, Rick Comley (his tenure at NMU and MSU), all these coaches started at LSSU and finished someplace else with the exception of JJ who is still coaching. In the past 15 years what/how/where does LSSU provide for improving its coach staff's talent and skill set. Want an example....the game of college hockey has swiftly changed in the last 5 or so years yet LSSU approaches the game the same way it did when we won games and championships. I don't blame JR & TC for where our program is today! I blame the school for not sending JR & TC out to learn new skills and talents to coach today's hockey game and hockey players...Ask JR, TC & DL what hockey players are like today. They will tell you its a whole different ball game, yet the only skill and talent they have was what they learned when they were players....won't work on today's players. When has LSSU step up to the plate and sent these coaches out to get the skills they need to do the job that is here and now......
DopeyBaker
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Ridiculous post. No one at LSSU is preventing its coaches from going to clinics or camps.
Ridiculous post. No one at LSSU is preventing its coaches from going to clinics or camps.
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The post also implies that most of our successful coaches left because of complacency on the part of the administration rather than just moving on to bigger and better things (more money).
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I agree with BIll. I don't think anyone is looking for a star coach to come in and pay him big bucks to get him here. I believe the best hope for Lake State is a young coach looking to make a career with a huge deisre to win and a know how on how to improve players and get the best you can from them. I think that is what Anzalone and Jackson both were.
I agree with BIll. I don't think anyone is looking for a star coach to come in and pay him big bucks to get him here. I believe the best hope for Lake State is a young coach looking to make a career with a huge deisre to win and a know how on how to improve players and get the best you can from them. I think that is what Anzalone and Jackson both were.
Lakers2Glory
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If & when LSSU does switch coaches, they need to find a "Brad Stevens-Butler Basketball" kind of guy. Cheap, hard-working, and who can turn so-called Cinderella runs into yearly affairs.
If & when LSSU does switch coaches, they need to find a "Brad Stevens-Butler Basketball" kind of guy. Cheap, hard-working, and who can turn so-called Cinderella runs into yearly affairs.
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Probably not. But even those first head coaching job guys are making significantly more. Matt Thomas got $140,000 at Anchorage while Air Force assistant Mike Corbett is reportedly around $125,000. It's going to take a similar deal, plus comparable increases for assistants to get even decent assistants interested in LSSU. If you offer a wage like Roque's, one which many assistants make similar salaries to, you'll draw a comparable slate of candidates. You can hope for the Brad Stevens type. But don't be surprised to find out Steven started out at $395,000 at Butler, was up to $750K after three years and finished up there well over $1 million.
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The school will have to find the resources needed to hire an up and coming coach. Another 35K for the program may initially hurt a small financially strapped institution like LSSU but it has to be looked at as an investment for future revenue. A winning, or at least competitive, program will create more demand and bring in more money.
The school will have to find the resources needed to hire an up and coming coach. Another 35K for the program may initially hurt a small financially strapped institution like LSSU but it has to be looked at as an investment for future revenue. A winning, or at least competitive, program will create more demand and bring in more money.
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When you hear the words Lake Superior State, Northern Michigan or Michigan Tech broadcast in the media or see them in print downstate, there is a 90% chance it has to do with athletics. Creating a positive association with that message can only help our UP institutions when recruiting students from down below. All three of these schools have to not only look at their athletic programs as sports, but as public relations as well and an alumni outreach. And those alums are more likely to write checks when they have a winning feeling walking out of that gym, rink or stadium in Detroit, Saginaw or wherever it may be! At all three schools, hockey is the marquee athletic program. We all need to have our programs funded to not only be competitive, but to be successful. It would be great to have a big Yooper Party in Grand Rapids in March!
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Wasn't. Jeff Jackson a Cinderella story winning two national championships.
Laker Dude
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Do you know what video coverage is going to be like for the nWCHA? I read that all games are going to be broadcast on the new fox sports 1 website, but was wondering if that is true?
Do you know what video coverage is going to be like for the nWCHA? I read that all games are going to be broadcast on the new fox sports 1 website, but was wondering if that is true?
gfmorris
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'tis true. UAH staff were at the VBC today working on technical details.
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'tis true. UAH staff were at the VBC today working on technical details.
GFM
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Saw this on the Free Press website, and I thought it would be right up your alley. If nothing more than to help everybody pass some time in the off season.
What is the best sports logo in the State of Michigan?
Saw this on the Free Press website, and I thought it would be right up your alley. If nothing more than to help everybody pass some time in the off season.
What is the best sports logo in the State of Michigan?
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If the AC can sell me an insurance policy he can sell me LSSU Laker hockey.
Truth Serum
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Lake Superior is lucky to have such an accomplished coach, student of the game and pure gentleman as they do with Jim Roque. Year 9 will be the best one yet, you just wait and see.
Lake Superior is lucky to have such an accomplished coach, student of the game and pure gentleman as they do with Jim Roque. Year 9 will be the best one yet, you just wait and see.
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