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LSSU hockey 2013-14

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jnacc - Your money is your money. If you feel it is better spent at the Eagles then the Lakers, I can't fault you for that. My hope is that the Lakers will give you a renewed vigor!

Roque isn't Frank in the sense that he goes door to door and asks students to come to games. He does attend some student events, though. He has given more than a few bucks to clubs such as the pep band to the investment club. It isn't the coaches job to get fans in the stands, it is to coach (Yes, I know we have been debating the coaching aspect). The AD and Administration need to step up and take responsibility for that. Since the Admin govern the entire school, I place most of that blame on them. Whether it be strict alcohol policies or preventing students from banging loud noisemakers, their policies need to change.

On a side note, what is with the huge negativity? It sounds worse in here than the Alaska Anchorage thread and they have no coach, little hope of finding a good one, and they won 4 games last year. WE WON 17 GAMES! I know its not championship caliber hockey, but it's not that bad either. I'm surprised most of you are still alive after the Frank2 years. Based on your rhetoric, I surprised you guys didn't jump off the International Bridge. It's not that bad.


Sorry. Those last two BGSU games really, really, really hurt. Bad hockey in an empty arena.

My sster had a friend who was living on campus when Frank was just getting the team rolling in the late-80's. He went door to door. And he didn't just stop and chat for a second. He would spend time talking to the students, one on one, about why their cheering at the hockey game mattered. And he sold it. And the students knew he meant what he said, even if maybe they mostly didn't believe him. But at the end of tense, crazy, loud games, when the students were cheering a stunning "LSSU shuld not win this game" victory, Frank would often point to the students. And the students would cheer louder. Why? He made everyone part of the team.

LSSU is small school (obviously). But that isn't the half of it. The Canadian students generally return to Ontario no later than 3:00 Friday afternoon. Its a small, tight-knit community. We all ate a the same place. We all generally ended up in many of the sme classes and many of the same parties. We all saw each other at the same bars. Frank, in the 80's (and I know that sounds like ancient history) made his hockey team a part of the student community. And I recall conversations about how the administration didn't like his tactics -- there were those who felt Frank was overstepping his authority; Frank was bypassing the AD's office by going directy to the students; It was WRONG for Frank to pur pressure on students in their dorms! Frank -- as we all know -- did not care.

Frank ignored all other sports, all other activities. If there was a D-I home hockey game, his opinion (at least it always seemed on the outside) was that you OWED it to the school and your community to be there, to be loud, to be proud.

Does LSSU need a dose of good old crazy-Frank boldness to inspire -- and remind -- the students that THEY make the atmosphere, not the other way around?

Yes, the Admin are puritanical jerks who employ your own fellow students in kiddie-cop uniforms to harass the student-body. Yes, the Admin don't want noise at the game unless it is good natured clapping. Yes, the Admin treat the students like infants. So the students can do one of two things: Flip off the admin, grow up, assert your rights, and make the Norris so loud and miserable that THEY are the ones staying away, not the students. OR, the Students can just meekly submit to being treated like fodder -- sober fodder, at that.

I think Frank's Lesson is one that needs to be relearned by the LSSU Students: This is YOUR team. Not the Soo's, really. Not the admin's. Not Jim Roque's. Not Lakerblue's. Not Fricker's. Not Turthy's. The Hockey team, above any and all other organizations and operations and associations at LSSU -- the hockey team belongs to the Students. For it through the hockey team, and virtually nothing else, that the LSSU Students are known to the world. It it through the hockey team that LSSU derives 90% (unscientific guess) of its recognition and awareness. The big stadium on campus is for hockey. The bulk of the money in athletics is earned by, and spent on, hockey.

I think its high time the students came out, en masse, and made this THEIR team again.

I know, when the wins and national titles started piling up, the Admin could not relegate the students any further away. They ignored the student fans, and took them for granted. Well, all of the admin people are long gone. The Students still remain, year in and year out. I think its high time the student took back THEIR rink from theAdmin.

Jus my thoughts on that topic.
 
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This may be a long one. First of all, IT IS THAT BAD. You are indirectly saying it yourself. Do you honestly think we should love Laker Hockey just because it is a Division I sport? Students should come just because they go to LSSU? Really? There is a negativity around the program and blame flying everywhere. The A.D., the Head Coach, the donors, the student section, the assistant coaches, the recruiting. You are saying that the best part of the program right now is a sub-.500 record. Sorry that doesn’t make me open my wallet. Why, because as we discussed before, Coach Roque is almost unanimously unpopular outside of the university. The donor money alone gives him credibility with me. Personally, I am looking forward to the Eagles games this weekend. If there is not 1,000 people in the Pullar I will be shocked. I will sit with my buddies, have a couple beers and be entertained. I can’t do that at any other game in the Soo. That entertainment far outweighs the frustration of walking out of a Laker game in Jan, Feb, or March. Again I say, the donor money gives Coach Roque credibility and rightfully should but when that revenue source runs dry then I see trouble because there is too much negative history. Friends of Coach Roque don’t want to hear this but my community mingling verifies it.
Another point that was brought up to me was in response to our A.D. First of all, saying she is promoting Basketball over Hockey is nuts. Her Husband played Hockey and Coached at LSSU. Her brother in law played hockey and now coaches at LSSU and if you go to a Basketball game and then go to a hockey game you will see which seems to get more attention from the Athletic Dept. I think she knows what sport offers potential revenue and her job is about balancing an athletic budget. Also, my understanding is that she does not have the ability to fire the Hockey Coach. This responsibility falls on the President of the University. If the rumor is true that President McLean is retiring, then Coach Roque will be on his fourth University President in eight years. Each time a new president comes in, firing a Coach must be low on the list of priorities and could create controversy. Not a great way to start. Also, when a President is leaving he/she is not going to start a firestorm by firing the coach of the top profile sport for the next president to be welcomed with. I just think Coach Roque is riding a wave.
 
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This may be a long one. First of all, IT IS THAT BAD. You are indirectly saying it yourself. Do you honestly think we should love Laker Hockey just because it is a Division I sport? Students should come just because they go to LSSU? Really? There is a negativity around the program and blame flying everywhere. The A.D., the Head Coach, the donors, the student section, the assistant coaches, the recruiting. You are saying that the best part of the program right now is a sub-.500 record. Sorry that doesn’t make me open my wallet. Why, because as we discussed before, Coach Roque is almost unanimously unpopular outside of the university. The donor money alone gives him credibility with me. Personally, I am looking forward to the Eagles games this weekend. If there is not 1,000 people in the Pullar I will be shocked. I will sit with my buddies, have a couple beers and be entertained. I can’t do that at any other game in the Soo. That entertainment far outweighs the frustration of walking out of a Laker game in Jan, Feb, or March. Again I say, the donor money gives Coach Roque credibility and rightfully should but when that revenue source runs dry then I see trouble because there is too much negative history. Friends of Coach Roque don’t want to hear this but my community mingling verifies it.
Another point that was brought up to me was in response to our A.D. First of all, saying she is promoting Basketball over Hockey is nuts. Her Husband played Hockey and Coached at LSSU. Her brother in law played hockey and now coaches at LSSU and if you go to a Basketball game and then go to a hockey game you will see which seems to get more attention from the Athletic Dept. I think she knows what sport offers potential revenue and her job is about balancing an athletic budget. Also, my understanding is that she does not have the ability to fire the Hockey Coach. This responsibility falls on the President of the University. If the rumor is true that President McLean is retiring, then Coach Roque will be on his fourth University President in eight years. Each time a new president comes in, firing a Coach must be low on the list of priorities and could create controversy. Not a great way to start. Also, when a President is leaving he/she is not going to start a firestorm by firing the coach of the top profile sport for the next president to be welcomed with. I just think Coach Roque is riding a wave.

That is interesting (if true) that our AD does not have the power to fire a coach, and I have to ask why? I've never heard of another school where the AD doesn't have that power??
 
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DM2SM. You make some good points. An outgoing pres. is unlikely to fire a coach and an incoming pres. likely would not do so early in his tenure either. That could be two years. The AD might not have the power to fire the hockey coach (probaby typical for a small university) but if she wanted to she could make her case to the president. The case can be made to make a coaching change - I would not deny that. We just saw a couple of coaches surprisingly released.
 
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DM2SM. You make some good points. An outgoing pres. is unlikely to fire a coach and an incoming pres. likely would not do so early in his tenure either. That could be two years. The AD might not have the power to fire the hockey coach (probaby typical for a small university) but if she wanted to she could make her case to the president. The case can be made to make a coaching change - I would not deny that. We just saw a couple of coaches surprisingly released.
My understanding is that is how it works at LSSU. The A.D. can make the recommendation but the President has to approve. My point is that the LSSU A.D. is perceived to play a bigger part than she actually does and this is unfair to her. She doesn't have the power to hold up a $5M renovation project, she can advise. She cannot fire the Hockey Coach, she can advise.
 
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My understanding is that is how it works at LSSU. The A.D. can make the recommendation but the President has to approve. My point is that the LSSU A.D. is perceived to play a bigger part than she actually does and this is unfair to her. She doesn't have the power to hold up a $5M renovation project, she can advise. She cannot fire the Hockey Coach, she can advise.
I think the delay in the Norris Center Project was at least partly due to someone wanting some non-hockey related changes.
 
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Next season will be the best season yet for Lake Superior. Look at all the strides they have made under him the past 8 years and how unfair it is for a small school inheriting a decimated program how much he gets paid the way the refs are rogue linesman threatening him, the small athletic budget, and the bad bounces and breaks over the years. Jim Roque brings in money through his donor friends is a master tactician motivator and inspiration on and off the ice and is a gentleman in every sense of the word. Roque is consistent fair with everyone even tempered and open to criticism or being challenged. The college president up there knows a good coach when he sees one as does the athletic director and smart hockey people at that college and this coach is deservedly locked up for three more years and will be around for a long time. The majority of people who aren't negative and hateful on this forum agree Jim Roque is the direction the only direction for this team to go. I'm just echoing what most of you people have already said for many many many years.
 
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My understanding is that is how it works at LSSU. The A.D. can make the recommendation but the President has to approve. My point is that the LSSU A.D. is perceived to play a bigger part than she actually does and this is unfair to her. She doesn't have the power to hold up a $5M renovation project, she can advise. She cannot fire the Hockey Coach, she can advise.

So let me get this straight, we have an AD that is making $67,000 dollars per year to oversee LSSU athletics and make recommendations when the time comes for the real decisions to be made?? Why don't we make the AD a part time job since the school president is apparently making all of the important athletic decisions anyways, pay $30,000 in salary take the spare $37,000 and add it to the hockey coaches salary, increase the price of pop and popcorn at the game by 50 cents and take all the revenue that that created and also add it to the hockey coaches salary...pretty soon you're looking at close to $50,000 more in the coaching salary budget than we have now, dump Roque and go get a real coach, because a $130,000 will likely perk up quite a few more ears about this job than $80,000 will!
 
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So let me get this straight, we have an AD that is making $67,000 dollars per year to oversee LSSU athletics and make recommendations when the time comes for the real decisions to be made?? Why don't we make the AD a part time job since the school president is apparently making all of the important athletic decisions anyways, pay $30,000 in salary take the spare $37,000 and add it to the hockey coaches salary, increase the price of pop and popcorn at the game by 50 cents and take all the revenue that that created and also add it to the hockey coaches salary...pretty soon you're looking at close to $50,000 more in the coaching salary budget than we have now, dump Roque and go get a real coach, because a $130,000 will likely perk up quite a few more ears about this job than $80,000 will!
You sound either annoyed or surprised. With the turmoil, litigation, etc. that has surrounded Laker Hockey do you honestly think that the Board of Regents is not going to protect itself and leave this up to the sole decision making of the A.D.? I am quite sure that it is public knowledge that it was the president of the University that ordered the removal of Coach Anzalone. Most people on here are aware that LSSU Coaches are relegated across the board to 1-year renewable contracts. Do you think the A.D. authorized the change in policy so that Coach Roque could have a multi-year deal or did it go through the President and the Board of Regents? Regarding the renovation, would the University let a $5M donation walk away because a basketball team did not get a new locker room as people are suggesting? My understanding is that at most any Division II school the A.D.’s primary responsibility is the budget and fund raising while overseeing the compliance issues and over-all health of the staff and by that I mean adherence to policies and procedures. If the current A.D. is holding up the renovation I would suspect that it is due to something stated above such as compliance to athletic regulations (Title IX). Other than that, I bet more time is spent with individuals from the Foundation office or the Head of the Physical Plant Operations than with the A.D.
 
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So let me get this straight, we have an AD that is making $67,000 dollars per year to oversee LSSU athletics and make recommendations when the time comes for the real decisions to be made?? Why don't we make the AD a part time job since the school president is apparently making all of the important athletic decisions anyways, pay $30,000 in salary take the spare $37,000 and add it to the hockey coaches salary, increase the price of pop and popcorn at the game by 50 cents and take all the revenue that that created and also add it to the hockey coaches salary...pretty soon you're looking at close to $50,000 more in the coaching salary budget than we have now, dump Roque and go get a real coach, because a $130,000 will likely perk up quite a few more ears about this job than $80,000 will!

I have my philosophical differences with AD Dunbar, but that is not a fair statement at all. She does a ton of work including compliance and budgeting that is WELL worth the $67,000 salary she is making.

Do you think if the time ever comes that Mark Hollis could fire Tom Izzo without the MSU Prez's ok? Bob Knight was fired by the President at Indiana. I'm not saying Roque is Izzo & Knight (don't even go there, Truthy). But, on a much smaller scale, the head coach of LSSU's only D-1 team (no matter who it is) is just as important to LSSU as those guys are to their respective schools. LSSU's coach is basically the only ambassador we have in the national media, so it does not surprise me one bit that it's the President's call and not the AD. To make a call like that potentially affects the ENTIRE University, so in my opinion it wouldn't seem fair to the AD to have to make that choice herself anyway. Most people in town don't even know when a golf or tennis or track coach get the boot, but when the Hockey coach goes, word spreads like wildfire.
 
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Regarding the renovation, would the University let a $5M donation walk away because a basketball team did not get a new locker room as people are suggesting? My understanding is that at most any Division II school the A.D.’s primary responsibility is the budget and fund raising while overseeing the compliance issues and over-all health of the staff and by that I mean adherence to policies and procedures. If the current A.D. is holding up the renovation I would suspect that it is due to something stated above such as compliance to athletic regulations (Title IX).
Just to clarify, I don't think anyone was suggesting the A.D. would let money walk out the door. I, personally, was saying the project was delayed due to disagreements over the design (non-hockey facilities).
 
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So, who is coming back next season that is going to be able to score any goals ?
 
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Can I be honest: I don't trust AD Dunbar. It has been my experience that Basketball people tend to carry deep-rooted confusion, and some outright hostility, towards hockey.

In most high schools around the country, football and basketball are the Big Two sports. ESPN blabbers on and on all day, every day, 24 hours a day, almost exclusively about BB and Football. So the people who excel in BB generally have within them the feeling that BB is the most important Winter sport. Oh, there are kids who play hockey, and tennis, and run track, etc . . . . but the real top-dog athletes in high school are generally BB and football players.

And my experience has shown, that when BB people arrive in "Hockey" school, there is great confusion. A "Hockey" school runs against the normal national grain. And suddenly, basketball people are relegated. And I have noticed that they do-not-like being second-banana.

It worries me. It worried me when she was hired. It continues to worry me.

And I just don't entirely trust her to do the right thing vis-a-vis hockey.
 
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Just to clarify, I don't think anyone was suggesting the A.D. would let money walk out the door. I, personally, was saying the project was delayed due to disagreements over the design (non-hockey facilities).
Sorry Mr. Lakerblue. I got the impression you were saying that the A.D. was trying to push more of the project away from Hockey and towards the other sports and this was causing the delay. I bet Coach Roque is more connected across campus and has more input on the project than Mrs. Dunbar. The Facilities Manager and Foundation Rep. Even more than both.
 
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I thought Lake State made a 10 year commitment to the hockey program recently and now we can't trust the AD . Seems we have mind readers who somehow know the true intentions of anyone involved with the hockey program. Hats off to you and your ability to know what others are thinking .
 
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Sorry Mr. Lakerblue. I got the impression you were saying that the A.D. was trying to push more of the project away from Hockey and towards the other sports and this was causing the delay. I bet Coach Roque is more connected across campus and has more input on the project than Mrs. Dunbar. The Facilities Manager and Foundation Rep. Even more than both.

I never commented on the Norris Project at all, delays, or reasons behind any delays.

My comment was just an honest, although quite unfounded, life-affirming policy to not trust baskeball people when it comes to hockey. And not meant to be in relation to the Norris Project.
 
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Here a lot of us thought the problem at Lake State lied in coaching and the inability to see players improve over the four years they are there and now it seems we are talking conspiracy at the highest levels to keep hockey down .
 
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