Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
No kidding!!! That episode is what makes Lost so great and different.
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LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
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Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
Indeed. Puts a pretty big piece of the puzzle together. Widmore there is still a wildcard, but if he's bringing in all of that Sonic Fencing to keep out the Man in Back, I get the feeling that he's playing more for Team Jacob than he is playing for Team Black.
Was also cool to have the Black Rock there be what knocks the statue over. Did anybody figure out what it was suppost to be?? I think it might be a repretation of the Man in Black's Mother perhaps.
Indeed. Puts a pretty big piece of the puzzle together. Widmore there is still a wildcard, but if he's bringing in all of that Sonic Fencing to keep out the Man in Back, I get the feeling that he's playing more for Team Jacob than he is playing for Team Black.
Was also cool to have the Black Rock there be what knocks the statue over. Did anybody figure out what it was suppost to be?? I think it might be a repretation of the Man in Black's Mother perhaps.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
So the reason that the Man in Black wants to kill Jacob is because he practically lives inside MiB's mother?
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She could be both of their mother perhaps. MiB can become a big black cloud of death and then take the form of different dead people. Jacob can make a man immortal and not have him age. Both seem to be pretty high up on the Semi-Phenomenal Cosmic Powers list to me. Not to mention that they're both playing by a set of rules that somebody else came up with most likely.
She could be both of their mother perhaps. MiB can become a big black cloud of death and then take the form of different dead people. Jacob can make a man immortal and not have him age. Both seem to be pretty high up on the Semi-Phenomenal Cosmic Powers list to me. Not to mention that they're both playing by a set of rules that somebody else came up with most likely.
MUhawks628
Love & Honor
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
Anyone else notice the writers had a little issue with date continuity regarding the Black Rock (or did they?!). At the auction of the Black Rock's journal, it was announced that the ship had sailed in 1845 and that the journal was recovered in 1852, but Ricardos was chilling on the Canary Islands in 1867 when he hitched his ride.
Anyone else notice the writers had a little issue with date continuity regarding the Black Rock (or did they?!). At the auction of the Black Rock's journal, it was announced that the ship had sailed in 1845 and that the journal was recovered in 1852, but Ricardos was chilling on the Canary Islands in 1867 when he hitched his ride.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
Well there is a discrepancy as to where the "7 years later" comes in. Setting sale in Portsmouth in 1845, being in canary islands in 1867 just means it was lost after 1867...the log book for auction was just found 7 years after it disappeared...I don't believe it was ever stated that it disappeared in 1852?
jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
So the island used to be in the Atlantic Ocean, apparently.
Also, note that the instructions the man in black gave Richard for killing Jacob were essentially identical to the instructions Sayid was given (by the samurai guy, right?) for killing fLocke.
So the island used to be in the Atlantic Ocean, apparently.
I was thinking about that after last week's episode as well. Is there someone else who defined, and is enforcing, those rules?
Also, note that the instructions the man in black gave Richard for killing Jacob were essentially identical to the instructions Sayid was given (by the samurai guy, right?) for killing fLocke.
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
DisplacedCornellian
Let's Go Red!
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
The significance (or coincidence) of the naming of the Black Rock jumped out at me after last night's episode. Jacob gives the MiB white rocks, and a Black Rock smashes the statue?
Jacob told Richard that he brought people to the island, but he didn't say that he brought Richard to the island, did he? Maybe the MiB can bring people to the island, too, and is responsible for the Black Rock crashing there?
The significance (or coincidence) of the naming of the Black Rock jumped out at me after last night's episode. Jacob gives the MiB white rocks, and a Black Rock smashes the statue?
Jacob told Richard that he brought people to the island, but he didn't say that he brought Richard to the island, did he? Maybe the MiB can bring people to the island, too, and is responsible for the Black Rock crashing there?
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
Another vote for a good show- very interesting.
I very much liked the parallels with the Sayid attempt and this MiB attempt- that was quite interesting that the wording was identical. I wonder if we will have more insight into that next week for the baloon show.
I'm starting to get more of an idea of what's going on. the MiB is a prisoner on the island, guarded by Jacob. Somehow, there are rules that they can't kill each other, but they can get someone else to do their dirty work to each other. Basically, it's a free will experiment if good over evil in humans is right or not- and it's been going on for a LOOOONG time.
The back story with Ricardo was quite interesting- how he got eternal life seemed rather dismissive- if you can't have two things, then I'll just settle for this- and now that "gift" has turned out pretty painful. then Hurley comes along, and tells him that his wife is still around, and wants to talk to him. (so is this hell or not?)
Was it pretty clear that when his wife showed up on the Black Rock, that it was the smoke monster? Total manipulation.
Now- how does Whidmore fit into this? Good or bad? He said the wrong team will win if Locke does not come back, but now Locke IS the MiB. I kind of think that they are on the same side, but the pillars are some non trusting defense.
Anyway, Richard is there just because of his love for his wife. Now he can't join her in the afterlife, thanks to Jacob.
(and we know he can leave the island, as he did to see Locke as a kid, and he recruited Juliet)
Good stuff.
Another vote for a good show- very interesting.
I very much liked the parallels with the Sayid attempt and this MiB attempt- that was quite interesting that the wording was identical. I wonder if we will have more insight into that next week for the baloon show.
I'm starting to get more of an idea of what's going on. the MiB is a prisoner on the island, guarded by Jacob. Somehow, there are rules that they can't kill each other, but they can get someone else to do their dirty work to each other. Basically, it's a free will experiment if good over evil in humans is right or not- and it's been going on for a LOOOONG time.
The back story with Ricardo was quite interesting- how he got eternal life seemed rather dismissive- if you can't have two things, then I'll just settle for this- and now that "gift" has turned out pretty painful. then Hurley comes along, and tells him that his wife is still around, and wants to talk to him. (so is this hell or not?)
Was it pretty clear that when his wife showed up on the Black Rock, that it was the smoke monster? Total manipulation.
Now- how does Whidmore fit into this? Good or bad? He said the wrong team will win if Locke does not come back, but now Locke IS the MiB. I kind of think that they are on the same side, but the pillars are some non trusting defense.
Anyway, Richard is there just because of his love for his wife. Now he can't join her in the afterlife, thanks to Jacob.
(and we know he can leave the island, as he did to see Locke as a kid, and he recruited Juliet)
Good stuff.
rufus
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Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
I didn't really think much of the episode until the MIB showed up and freed Richard from his chains. Up until then, it was just kinda ho-hum, and I really didn't have much interest in richard's past or what led him to the island.
But once he got there, wow. It's still sorta hard to decide which of the two is good and which is evil, but since we haven't seen Jacob going around slaughtering people by the dozens, we have to assume that he's the good guy. But you can see the writers throwing the big twist in at the end and having him turn out to be the evil one, which, since I'm almost expecting it to happen, would turn out to be anti-climactic really, and not really all that interesting. Better to keep on fleshing out the good versus evil clash between Jacob and the MIB.
The mind games the MIB plays to get people on his side, taking the form of Jacob's wife, and then leading him to believe she was killed by the black smoke, and then later Jacob. Again to emphasize that he's really the evil one, we see him manipulate and use people, while Jacob just offers them choices and hope.
I didn't really think much of the episode until the MIB showed up and freed Richard from his chains. Up until then, it was just kinda ho-hum, and I really didn't have much interest in richard's past or what led him to the island.
But once he got there, wow. It's still sorta hard to decide which of the two is good and which is evil, but since we haven't seen Jacob going around slaughtering people by the dozens, we have to assume that he's the good guy. But you can see the writers throwing the big twist in at the end and having him turn out to be the evil one, which, since I'm almost expecting it to happen, would turn out to be anti-climactic really, and not really all that interesting. Better to keep on fleshing out the good versus evil clash between Jacob and the MIB.
The mind games the MIB plays to get people on his side, taking the form of Jacob's wife, and then leading him to believe she was killed by the black smoke, and then later Jacob. Again to emphasize that he's really the evil one, we see him manipulate and use people, while Jacob just offers them choices and hope.
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
I really enjoyed the backstory and had been waiting for it since we learned about Richard. Just an opinion... But great show.
jmh
win or lose, we booze
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
One point - when Jacob was explaining what was going on using the wine, he said it was the island that was analogous to the cork containing the evil wine, not him. I thought that was interesting.
I originally guessed that he was delirious and hallucinating due to dehydration and hunger, but yeah, it must've been MIB.
I guess, from a "leave the audience satisfied" standpoint, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to wait until the end and then say "you know that black smoke that's been killing people for six seasons, sometimes for no apparent reason? That's actually the good guy." So I wouldn't figure there's a twist like that coming, though of course I could be wrong, because, you know, it's Lost.
Gonzo
Still not a muppet
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
The one person it killed that I'm still scratching my head over is the pilot of Oceanic 815. Very very early in the first season, but I don't know of a specific reason he "had" to die.
The one person it killed that I'm still scratching my head over is the pilot of Oceanic 815. Very very early in the first season, but I don't know of a specific reason he "had" to die.
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
We never did get his backstory did we?
The one person it killed that I'm still scratching my head over is the pilot of Oceanic 815. Very very early in the first season, but I don't know of a specific reason he "had" to die.
We never did get his backstory did we?
Gonzo
Still not a muppet
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
Other than he was a friend/colleague of Lapidus.
Other than he was a friend/colleague of Lapidus.
MUhawks628
Love & Honor
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
In Locke's case in season 1 do you think MiB did not kill him because Locke was a candidate and he is unable too? Locke is a good person? Or he knew that he could use him as his loophole, as he did with Richard?
Correct me if I'm wrong but so far MiB has only appeared as someone who (or whose body) was never on the island twice, as Isabella and as Ben's mom. Gives the first meeting between Richard and Ben in the jungle a little more perspective, as to why Richard took such an interest to Ben when he told him that his mom had not died on the island but he saw her.
In Locke's case in season 1 do you think MiB did not kill him because Locke was a candidate and he is unable too? Locke is a good person? Or he knew that he could use him as his loophole, as he did with Richard?
Correct me if I'm wrong but so far MiB has only appeared as someone who (or whose body) was never on the island twice, as Isabella and as Ben's mom. Gives the first meeting between Richard and Ben in the jungle a little more perspective, as to why Richard took such an interest to Ben when he told him that his mom had not died on the island but he saw her.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
What about Jack's dad? I don't think he was on the island before he died, and I would guess that Jack's dad was actually the smoke monter guy.
MUhawks628
Love & Honor
Re: LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End
Thats why i threw the body part in there. Jacks dad/Ecko's brother were never alive on the island but their bodies did end up there. But I'm still not sure about Christian = Flock just because Clair seemed to know who/what Flocke was but referred to him as her "friend" and referenced her father in the same sentence. So either he is tricking her (likely) or there is something else to the whole thing.
Thats why i threw the body part in there. Jacks dad/Ecko's brother were never alive on the island but their bodies did end up there. But I'm still not sure about Christian = Flock just because Clair seemed to know who/what Flocke was but referred to him as her "friend" and referenced her father in the same sentence. So either he is tricking her (likely) or there is something else to the whole thing.