LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End

[moe24]

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So, we know that Jacob and the other guy don't age, probably because they aren't actually humans. Richard doesn't age either, so is it possible that Richard is also something/someone occupying a body like Jacob and the smokemonster are?

Interesting theory, but the one issue with that is Richard said he is the way he is BECAUSE of Jacob. So while he may be like Jacob and NotLocke in some respects he clearly didn't start out that way.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Jimmy Kimmel brought this very theory up with the producer's on his show the night of the season premiere. And their answer was (whited out because it's kinda spoilerish).

If Jacob can manifest himself in another body, than whats the big deal if Johnny Cash found a loophole to kill him?

 

[Dirty]

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If Jacob can manifest himself in another body, than whats the big deal if Johnny Cash found a loophole to kill him?

He's not Johnny Cash! Johnny Cash wouldn't need a loophole to kill anyone. He's Johnny Cash.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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He's not Johnny Cash! Johnny Cash wouldn't need a loophole to kill anyone. He's Johnny Cash.

Maybe he didn't hate Jacob, maybe he just wanted to watch him die

 

[bigblue_dl]

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It wasn't Jacob that occupied Sayid's body. Jacob is dead, like shirtless said, it wouldn't make sense if he could just come back and occupy anothe body. It is the smoke monster that is now occupying Sayid's body, in order to get into the temple, and past all of the others fortifications/circle of ash.

 

[Dirty]

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Maybe he didn't hate Jacob, maybe he just wanted to watch him die

Maybe his name is Sue and Jacob is his dad! It would explain his anger.

 

[alfablue]

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Another interesting thing to think about is throughout the series, has the other guy/smoke monster occupied any other bodies? I think Jack's dad is a good guess, anyone else?

I'm guessing that Jacob and the other guy that we saw when the Black Rock landed were just occupying those bodies as well. Jacob and the other guy are at a higher level than humans and are just able to take over the bodies of humans.

Probably Ben's Daughter- who told him to do whatever Locke told him to do. Possibly Charlie when Hurley saw him back on dry land. How about claire when Kate saw her (to tell Kate to not bring Aaron back)? Maybe even WALT for Locke when Ben shot him? How about the black horse or even the polar bear?

Lots of possibilites- some dead, some not so dead. Brings into question some of the visions and how real they were. NotLocke appears before everyone, some of the others seemed to be one time situations.

(BTW, wasn't it cool when the smoke monster was able to take out the guy with the gun without going over the ash line? Showed that it wasn't a plain old mechanical monster, but one with intelligence)

 

[French Rage]

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It wasn't Jacob that occupied Sayid's body. Jacob is dead, like shirtless said, it wouldn't make sense if he could just come back and occupy anothe body. It is the smoke monster that is now occupying Sayid's body, in order to get into the temple, and past all of the others fortifications/circle of ash.

Wasn't the Smoke Monster still Locke at that point though, on the beach? Or had it disappeared from the beach at that point?

Perhaps the S.M. is the reason the Dharma people had to bury bodies during their truce with the Others, if they're left unburied they can become inhabited by the S.M.

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Wasn't the Smoke Monster still Locke at that point though, on the beach? Or had it disappeared from the beach at that point?

The last time we saw it, it was on the beach in Locke's body. But the last thing we saw in the episode was Sayid waking up, so when Sayid is waking up, we don't know what's going on with Locke's body at the beach.

 

[French Rage]

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The last time we saw it, it was on the beach in Locke's body. But the last thing we saw in the episode was Sayid waking up, so when Sayid is waking up, we don't know what's going on with Locke's body at the beach.

They do cut back to the people on the beach seeing the fireworks, was Locke still in the shot then? (I only remember seeing Richard.)

 

[French Rage]

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Also, anti-Jacob said he remembered Richard in chains. Does he have something to do with the slave ship?

 

[bigblue_dl]

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They do cut back to the people on the beach seeing the fireworks, was Locke still in the shot then? (I only remember seeing Richard.)

I don't remember them cutting back to the beach. I guess whether or not Locke is in that scene will have an impact on my theory.

Also, anti-Jacob said he remembered Richard in chains. Does he have something to do with the slave ship?

That was my guess when I first heard it, then I came up with the idea that Richard was just being ocupied by another being. But the slave ship makes sense.

 

[French Rage]

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Interview with the writers: http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

Right out of the gate, in the first five minutes of the premiere, you get hit over the head with two things that you're not expecting. The first is that Desmond is on the plane. The second thing that we do is we drop out of the plane and we go below the water and we see that the Island is submerged. What we're trying to do there is basically say to you, "God bless the survivors of Oceanic 815, because they're so self-centered, they thought the only effect [of detonating the bomb] was going to be that their plane never crashes." But they don't stop to think, "If we do this in 1977, what else is going to affected by this?" So that their entire lives can be changed radically. In fact, it would appear that they've sunken the Island. That's our way of saying, "Keep your eyes peeled for the differences that you're not expecting." Some of these characters were still in Australia, but some weren't. Shannon's not there. Boone actually says that he tried to get her back. There are all sorts of other people that we don't see. Where's Libby? Where's Ana Lucia? Where's Eko? These are all the things that you're supposed to be thinking about. When our characters posited the "What if?" scenario, they neglected to think about what the other effects of potentially changing time might be and we're embracing those things.

 

[jmh]

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I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but I'll throw in my theory of the week:

Sayid is now Jacob.

No offense, but isn't that a lot of people's theory at this point?

I like it if true.

Also, is it possible Richard is part of the temple people? He seems to have a level of importance above the other Others, and is the one who took young Ben there, so perhaps he has additional involvement with them.

I really wanna know more about how Richard got to be the way he is.

Interview with the writers: http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

"There are all sorts of other people that we don't see. Where's Libby? Where's Ana Lucia? Where's Eko?"

Well I think we all know why those characters aren't back, don't we? (I miss Eko, he was awesome.)

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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No offense, but isn't that a lot of people's theory at this point? I really wanna know more about how Richard got to be the way he is."There are all sorts of other people that we don't see. Where's Libby? Where's Ana Lucia? Where's Eko?"

Well I think we all know why those characters aren't back, don't we? (I miss Eko, he was awesome.)

Uhm...they have made appearances after the incident...there is no reason they couldn't guest on an episode...and I would think they will at some point...

 

[jmh]

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Uhm...they have made appearances after the incident...there is no reason they couldn't guest on an episode...and I would think they will at some point...

Sure, they could guest, and of course what the producers mean is an in-show explanation for the characters, I'm just saying that we have an idea of the real-world reason why they were written out of the show.

 

[alfablue]

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Interview with the writers: http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/02/lost-premiere-damon-carlton/

Someting to ponder- hurley.

In the previous episodes, we know he used numbers, that were told to him by a fellow inmate, who got them from a broadcast that came from the island.

That broacast started AFTER the Dahrma group busted open the energy, and had to patch it up.

Therefore, IF the bomb was, indeed, detonated, then the sequence where he would have gotten the numbers was broken, so his winning numbers were NOT the ones broadcast from the island.

So, open question- who else's lives changed drastically if the island sunk?

Desmond comes to mind quickly- we all think he and Jack met while Desmond was training so that he could do the 'round the world race, right? He did the race purely because of conflict between him and Whidmore- who was obsessed with the island. Perhaps when the island goes away, Whidmore is changed (or even dead), so no conflict, Desmond does not race around the world, so he and Jack never meet prior to that race.

Who can explain Shannon's change of fate? Or Locke's?

I wonder if they will even bring that kind of detail to light?

 

[rufus]

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The last time we saw it, it was on the beach in Locke's body. But the last thing we saw in the episode was Sayid waking up, so when Sayid is waking up, we don't know what's going on with Locke's body at the beach.

But by that point, the temple folk had spread the ash lines around, which the smoke monster/man in black/Big Bad can't cross. Why he was stuck in the cabin all those years.

 

[French Rage]

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[Gibber]

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Someting to ponder- hurley.

In the previous episodes, we know he used numbers, that were told to him by a fellow inmate, who got them from a broadcast that came from the island.

That broacast started AFTER the Dahrma group busted open the energy, and had to patch it up.

Therefore, IF the bomb was, indeed, detonated, then the sequence where he would have gotten the numbers was broken, so his winning numbers were NOT the ones broadcast from the island.

So, open question- who else's lives changed drastically if the island sunk?

Desmond comes to mind quickly- we all think he and Jack met while Desmond was training so that he could do the 'round the world race, right? He did the race purely because of conflict between him and Whidmore- who was obsessed with the island. Perhaps when the island goes away, Whidmore is changed (or even dead), so no conflict, Desmond does not race around the world, so he and Jack never meet prior to that race.

Who can explain Shannon's change of fate? Or Locke's?

I wonder if they will even bring that kind of detail to light?

I imagine they will. They may have flashbacks for this 'alternate' reality, but I imagine we'll find out exactly what happened between the time the bomb went off and present day (or 2004-day)... while the alternate reality progresses, and somehow the characters will cross paths 'coincidentally' in LA (or the US somewhere)...