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LOST Season 6 -- All Good Things Must Come To An End

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Shirtless Guy said:
You weren't listening very well were you? Dogen's son nearly died because Dogen tried to drive his son home from baseball practice while drunk...thats how he ended up on the island. Jacob said he could save Dogen's son's life if he came to the island but Dogen would never see him again. It's a reminder of how he got there and of his son...
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Exactly. And if you're missing that kind of symbolism you're missing a big chunk of what makes the show so great.
 
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As far as the smoke monster, I have a question.

We know that the man in black was confined to the cabin by the ring of ash around it. And yet, we've seen the smoke monster operating all over the island. It exploded the jet engine on the beach right after the crash, killed the pilot in the tree, had close encounters with both Locke and Eko, etc.

And all this time, we've had Others all over the island too, not just protected in the temple by Samurai Other and ash circles. So if the smoke monster could roam the island, what prevented it from killing off all the Others it could find, like it just did at the Temple? Jacob? If so, how? It wasn't at full power while confined in the cabin? What?

Damm good episode. Still haven't confirmed whether Jacob or the MIB is really the evil one, but the smug look on Locke's face while walking away from the temple was kinda unnerving. He also had a strrange look upon seeing kate, so wonder what's in store for her being amond Smokey's followers. Claire gonna kill her?
 
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rufus said:
As far as the smoke monster, I have a question.

We know that the man in black was confined to the cabin by the ring of ash around it. And yet, we've seen the smoke monster operating all over the island. It exploded the jet engine on the beach right after the crash, killed the pilot in the tree, had close encounters with both Locke and Eko, etc.

And all this time, we've had Others all over the island too, not just protected in the temple by Samurai Other and ash circles. So if the smoke monster could roam the island, what prevented it from killing off all the Others it could find, like it just did at the Temple? Jacob? If so, how? It wasn't at full power while confined in the cabin? What?

Damm good episode. Still haven't confirmed whether Jacob or the MIB is really the evil one, but the smug look on Locke's face while walking away from the temple was kinda unnerving. He also had a strrange look upon seeing kate, so wonder what's in store for her being amond Smokey's followers. Claire gonna kill her?
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When the others were living in the old Dahrma houses, remember that they had that electronic wall. And then it appears that the temple *had* some protection prior to last night. I'm guessing that once Sayid took care of the leaders, that let in the moster.
 
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alfablue said:
When the others were living in the old Dahrma houses, remember that they had that electronic wall. And then it appears that the temple *had* some protection prior to last night. I'm guessing that once Sayid took care of the leaders, that let in the moster.
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But if the smoke monster "is" the man in black/Locke 2.0, and he couldn't leave the cabin because of the ring of ash, then how was the smoke monster all over the island?
 
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jmh said:
But if the smoke monster "is" the man in black/Locke 2.0, and he couldn't leave the cabin because of the ring of ash, then how was the smoke monster all over the island?
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That, I don't know. I was just addressing how the Others survived when the monster was out.

And I thought that the cabin had Jacob in it- wasn't that who Ben and Locke were going to go see in the cabin? Or who Ben was pretending to go see....
 
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alfablue said:
When the others were living in the old Dahrma houses, remember that they had that electronic wall. And then it appears that the temple *had* some protection prior to last night. I'm guessing that once Sayid took care of the leaders, that let in the moster.
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Sure, but you had Richard's group living out in the wild when he first met Ben as a kid, they were up in the hills when the mercenaries came to the island(nice to see Kevin Durand back last night, one of my fave actors), they've been out in the jungle running into the Lostaways here and there.

Smokey could have gotten to them anytime. And yet didn't.

And I thought that the cabin had Jacob in it- wasn't that who Ben and Locke were going to go see in the cabin? Or who Ben was pretending to go see....
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But it wasn't Jacob(Ben had never met him), it was the MIB masquerading as Christian. Locke and Hurley both saw him there, and he was in there with Claire, when he was first 'recruiting' her.
 
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It was Jacobs cabin, when we see christian there, I believe the ash ring is already broken.
 
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You know, another question is how does Whidmore fit into all of this? He and Richard were working together in the 50's with the bomb.

Which side does he come out on? And was there a relationship between him being banshied and fLocke being trapped in the cabin?

As for the smome monster coming out- is it possible that the plane crash debris broke the ash ring?

One more thing- IIRC, there was a claim that the smoke monster was there to protect the island. Again, playing into the question of the sides.

Here's a theory- MIB was called to protect the island, and Jacob was called to take it from him. They can't actually kill each other, by some rules. Jacob is allowed to go out in life and attempt to bring people to the island to take it, MIB tries to turn them, and defeat him.

Must not think to hard- or I'll be unhappy when my personal ideas are not answered... :)
 
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I watched the last two weeks last night. A couple of quick things:

- If Terry O'Quinn doesn't get an Emmy Nom in 2010 there should be an investigation.

- Miles: "She's still hot" line was awesome.

- The last sequence with This song was very well done. (And is still haunting me.)

- The changed reality stuff is confusing. For example, Jack's mom saying he had his appendix out when he was seven, when we know he had it out on the island. I'll be interested to see where that goes.

- How come brunette with gun knows so much? (Example, knowing how to flee the temple through secret passage-way.)

- Sayid sure went evil quickly.
 
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Did he go evil or is he just tired of all this crap?
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He went evil.

He repeatedly said "I'm a good person" and I think he doth protest too much. The good Sayid, the one that was truly good, was open about all the wrong he had done and took steps to remove himself from those situations.... i.e. season 1 leaving the beach camp, but ends up almost forced into doing evil, but for unseflish reasons. This Sayid did evil perfectly willingly and for selfish reasons.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
It was Jacobs cabin, when we see christian there, I believe the ash ring is already broken.
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Then, but the first time Ben took Locke to it, we got a glimpse of a guy who looked like Christian. We also saw Claire talking to him in there, I believe.

The ash ring wasn't broken until after the Ajira plane crashlanded, and we got the rebirth of Locke last season. I think the ash ring got broken when Hurley(and Ben? I forget) went to it.
 
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moe24 said:
He went evil.

He repeatedly said "I'm a good person" and I think he doth protest too much. The good Sayid, the one that was truly good, was open about all the wrong he had done and took steps to remove himself from those situations.... i.e. season 1 leaving the beach camp, but ends up almost forced into doing evil, but for unseflish reasons. This Sayid did evil perfectly willingly and for selfish reasons.
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I can understand why Sayid killed Dogen. He tried to get Sayid killed twice. If I was in Sayid's position I would of done the same thing. Not sure why he killed Lennon(?) though, don't know what purpose it served.

I wonder what is going to happen when everyone gets together in the second half of the season.
 
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I also do not fully understand the MiB/Smoke Monster. It seems like he was confined in the cabin since he did say "Help me" to Locke when he and Ben were there. I also kind of figured that maybe he had Claire break the ash circle since he seems to have her doing his biding. But at the same time, he's been all over the island since the very beginning (and to whomever said he caused the engine to explode in the pilot - that's not true. I saw an interview with the producers who said the little bit of black smoke in that scene was literally just black smoke from the plane crash stuff), eating the pilot, eating Mr. Eko, showing the true island to Locke, maybe appearing as Christian and leading Jack to the coffin and the caves (though this last one doesn't seem to make much sense and I kind of think it really might have been caused by PTSD, dehydration and exhaustion like Jack says in White Rabbit). And don't forget Ben went to the closet in his house in Dharmaville and called in the Smoke Monster to kill the mercenaries.

Furthermore, the Others in the Temple had spread the ash around the Temple but once Dogen died, in came the Smoke Monster. Maybe Dogen has something to do with the effectiveness of the ash?

At this point, I'm starting to think that both the MiB and Jacob can appear as Smoke Monsters. It seems like Jacob wasn't really a human nor a spirit or power or whatever occupying a human body because the body didn't burn when Locke pushed it into the fire in the statute - it pretty much just disappeared. I'm thinking maybe the smoke monster was Jacob in the early seasons, removing the unimportant people he didn't call to the island, and now the MiB smoke monster has escaped and moves freely around the island.
 
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BU Fan 84 said:
I also do not fully understand the MiB/Smoke Monster. It seems like he was confined in the cabin since he did say "Help me" to Locke when he and Ben were there. I also kind of figured that maybe he had Claire break the ash circle since he seems to have her doing his biding. But at the same time, he's been all over the island since the very beginning (and to whomever said he caused the engine to explode in the pilot - that's not true. I saw an interview with the producers who said the little bit of black smoke in that scene was literally just black smoke from the plane crash stuff), eating the pilot, eating Mr. Eko, showing the true island to Locke, maybe appearing as Christian and leading Jack to the coffin and the caves (though this last one doesn't seem to make much sense and I kind of think it really might have been caused by PTSD, dehydration and exhaustion like Jack says in White Rabbit). And don't forget Ben went to the closet in his house in Dharmaville and called in the Smoke Monster to kill the mercenaries.

Furthermore, the Others in the Temple had spread the ash around the Temple but once Dogen died, in came the Smoke Monster. Maybe Dogen has something to do with the effectiveness of the ash?

At this point, I'm starting to think that both the MiB and Jacob can appear as Smoke Monsters. It seems like Jacob wasn't really a human nor a spirit or power or whatever occupying a human body because the body didn't burn when Locke pushed it into the fire in the statute - it pretty much just disappeared. I'm thinking maybe the smoke monster was Jacob in the early seasons, removing the unimportant people he didn't call to the island, and now the MiB smoke monster has escaped and moves freely around the island.
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Good point, they both appear to be both pretty powerful beings, they both could have been smoke monsters running around, with one caged for a time.
 
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