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Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
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sbkbghockey
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It'll be interesting to see the full schedule soon
Playing Wisconsin, North Dakota and Mercyhurst in the first season in the NCAA is a much tougher schedule than I expected. Those will be three blowout games with such a young team like LU. But it will help recruiting and the team in the future. LU takes sports seriously and doesn't like losing, Women's hockey hasn't had a losing record in any of the seasons in the ACHA. The next few years will be rough but by the time they're post season eligible in the NCAA look for LU to be a solid team.
It'll be interesting to see the full schedule soon
Playing Wisconsin, North Dakota and Mercyhurst in the first season in the NCAA is a much tougher schedule than I expected. Those will be three blowout games with such a young team like LU. But it will help recruiting and the team in the future. LU takes sports seriously and doesn't like losing, Women's hockey hasn't had a losing record in any of the seasons in the ACHA. The next few years will be rough but by the time they're post season eligible in the NCAA look for LU to be a solid team.
playthegameonthepond
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No, you may have seen LU play WI and UND club teams, but they've never played the varsities. It's part of the falllacy that LU and others like RMU/Chicago have confused recruits with saying they were DI, when they were dI CLUB... huge diff, hang onto your hat if you think they're going to be close games...
No, you may have seen LU play WI and UND club teams, but they've never played the varsities. It's part of the falllacy that LU and others like RMU/Chicago have confused recruits with saying they were DI, when they were dI CLUB... huge diff, hang onto your hat if you think they're going to be close games...
Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
Lindenwood will be much improved this fall, meaning if they were to play Augsburg again, they would win by more than 1 goal like they did last year. But let's not get crazy here, if they in fact do play Wisco, UND and MC they have no one who can stop the Lam sisters, the Badgers 3rd line or Bestland from MC. They will lose big. I'm assuming these games will be on the road as WCHA and MC should not have to travel to St. Charles.
Lindenwood will be much improved this fall, meaning if they were to play Augsburg again, they would win by more than 1 goal like they did last year. But let's not get crazy here, if they in fact do play Wisco, UND and MC they have no one who can stop the Lam sisters, the Badgers 3rd line or Bestland from MC. They will lose big. I'm assuming these games will be on the road as WCHA and MC should not have to travel to St. Charles.
Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
From the MN Girls High School Forum:
Lindenwood University - Missouri
Sam Moore..........F.........Lakeville South HS...............Lakeville, MN
Mara Post............F.........Lakeville South HS...............Lakeville, MN
Megan Cox………..F/D……...Shattuck St. Mary’s.…..........New Richmond, WI
From the MN Girls High School Forum:
Lindenwood University - Missouri
Sam Moore..........F.........Lakeville South HS...............Lakeville, MN
Mara Post............F.........Lakeville South HS...............Lakeville, MN
Megan Cox………..F/D……...Shattuck St. Mary’s.…..........New Richmond, WI
canadahockey26
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Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
recruited an int A player from Ontario. unusual for div-1
recruited an int A player from Ontario. unusual for div-1
OnMAA
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Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
Why should they not have to travel.?
Why should they not have to travel.?
Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
the same reason that none of them would travel to play Sacred Heart. A few years down the line, once they've established themselves, which I'm sure they will....then I'm sure it will be easier to schedule 2 year home and home series.
the same reason that none of them would travel to play Sacred Heart. A few years down the line, once they've established themselves, which I'm sure they will....then I'm sure it will be easier to schedule 2 year home and home series.
sbkbghockey
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Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
Except that Sacred Heart and a cpl other "DI" women's programs don't put any commitment into their programs and play mostly DIII schedules.
In any sport an independent program will have more away games than home games because there is no conference schedule to balance things out, one benefit is any team traveling to LU is that it's the St. Louis Metro so not exactly the middle of no where. Also, LU is looking to enter a conference for hockey in the future. This year will also be tough to get home games because they only count as exh games for the other teams per LU's transition from NAIA to NCAA. Next season (2012-13) the games count toward the record of the NCAA teams, making trips to a new program more worth it. LU is still not post season eligible until 2013-14.
Except that Sacred Heart and a cpl other "DI" women's programs don't put any commitment into their programs and play mostly DIII schedules.
In any sport an independent program will have more away games than home games because there is no conference schedule to balance things out, one benefit is any team traveling to LU is that it's the St. Louis Metro so not exactly the middle of no where. Also, LU is looking to enter a conference for hockey in the future. This year will also be tough to get home games because they only count as exh games for the other teams per LU's transition from NAIA to NCAA. Next season (2012-13) the games count toward the record of the NCAA teams, making trips to a new program more worth it. LU is still not post season eligible until 2013-14.
Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
Exactly my point. Teams will not travel to play them until they prove that they are going to put a better product on the ice.
Exactly my point. Teams will not travel to play them until they prove that they are going to put a better product on the ice.
sbkbghockey
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That's not really my point, If a school is committed to the program school's will travel to them. The product is already on par with some of the programs that don't put any effort or resources to put a quality DI product on the ice, this season's team would probably beat Sacred Heart or Holy Cross, they're a young and inexperienced team so not at the caliber of Mercyhurst, Wisconsin, or NoDak but by scheduling the big teams so early it shows they want to be able to compete with them in a few seasons.
So far I know for sure North Dakota is away, Wisconsin is one of the closest schools to LU so that's either home or away, LU has a two game series against Wayne State at home in Nov then at Wayne State in Dec, and opens the season with a two game road series at Minnesota State Mankato. Just from the bits and pieces so far I'm guessing most of LU's opponents will be WCHA and CHA.
edit:scratch those Wayne State games, just ended program over the weekend. hmmm opening in the CHA for LU now?
That's not really my point, If a school is committed to the program school's will travel to them. The product is already on par with some of the programs that don't put any effort or resources to put a quality DI product on the ice, this season's team would probably beat Sacred Heart or Holy Cross, they're a young and inexperienced team so not at the caliber of Mercyhurst, Wisconsin, or NoDak but by scheduling the big teams so early it shows they want to be able to compete with them in a few seasons.
So far I know for sure North Dakota is away, Wisconsin is one of the closest schools to LU so that's either home or away, LU has a two game series against Wayne State at home in Nov then at Wayne State in Dec, and opens the season with a two game road series at Minnesota State Mankato. Just from the bits and pieces so far I'm guessing most of LU's opponents will be WCHA and CHA.
edit:scratch those Wayne State games, just ended program over the weekend. hmmm opening in the CHA for LU now?
Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
a couple of things. first, holy cross doesn't matter. they are for all intents and purposes a D3 program and play no D1 games.
second, i dont disagree with your sentiment that lindenwood will better support their program than sacred heart and will ultimately be able to get games down the road once the have established themselves.
but, should they just take your word for it? the schools word? or is it fair to expect the school to put their money where their mouth is for a couple of seasons and show that they are going to make strides before bigger schools line up to come to st louis? it's not exactly a school the pedigree of penn state we are talking about. i have no doubt this program will be way, way better than sacred heart in the next couple of seasons, but based on the kids coming in next season...there aren't nearly enough big names and there's not nearly enough of them, period, to expect the bigger fish to line up to take a long bus ride or get on a plane to come play them.
a couple of things. first, holy cross doesn't matter. they are for all intents and purposes a D3 program and play no D1 games.
second, i dont disagree with your sentiment that lindenwood will better support their program than sacred heart and will ultimately be able to get games down the road once the have established themselves.
but, should they just take your word for it? the schools word? or is it fair to expect the school to put their money where their mouth is for a couple of seasons and show that they are going to make strides before bigger schools line up to come to st louis? it's not exactly a school the pedigree of penn state we are talking about. i have no doubt this program will be way, way better than sacred heart in the next couple of seasons, but based on the kids coming in next season...there aren't nearly enough big names and there's not nearly enough of them, period, to expect the bigger fish to line up to take a long bus ride or get on a plane to come play them.
sbkbghockey
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Yeah I see what you're saying, at home or on the road it looks like LU is going in that direction, by playing some of the big programs in the first season. And it will help LU in the long run see where they need to be in a few seasons.
Men's and women's hockey needs more schools like LU (growing schools, in sizeable markets, with lots of money and solid comittment to athletics) to help grow the sport. Wayne State shows what happens if a school doesn't put much into programs and like you said some, like Holy Cross, are really DIII teams. And another scary thing for women's hockey- I've heard lots about Penn State's men's program but almost nothing of women, do they intend to compete or just adding women's hockey for Title IX (we don't need more Holy Crosses or Sacred Hearts.) LU said they plan to compete last summer and the early schedule sneak peak show they are planning on jumping into the fire right away.
Yeah I see what you're saying, at home or on the road it looks like LU is going in that direction, by playing some of the big programs in the first season. And it will help LU in the long run see where they need to be in a few seasons.
Men's and women's hockey needs more schools like LU (growing schools, in sizeable markets, with lots of money and solid comittment to athletics) to help grow the sport. Wayne State shows what happens if a school doesn't put much into programs and like you said some, like Holy Cross, are really DIII teams. And another scary thing for women's hockey- I've heard lots about Penn State's men's program but almost nothing of women, do they intend to compete or just adding women's hockey for Title IX (we don't need more Holy Crosses or Sacred Hearts.) LU said they plan to compete last summer and the early schedule sneak peak show they are planning on jumping into the fire right away.
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Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
Based on their other women's programs (e.g. volleyball), Penn State doesn't seem like a school that has women's athletic programs just because the law says they must.
I'm sure they'll compete at some point, although the word "compete" can vary a lot from program to program. Some compete in individual games while others compete for championships. At least if these are exhibitions and not games, then they don't figure to be quite as one-sided. The D-I programs treat these as dress rehearsals and experiment, play back-up goalies, etc. If the upstart team is fired up, no matter the talent differential, then they can keep the score much closer.
giwan
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Re: Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO) moves to NCAA starting in 2011
I fairly sure the monies were given specifically to start both a men's and women's hockey program. Not just any other women's sport.
I fairly sure the monies were given specifically to start both a men's and women's hockey program. Not just any other women's sport.
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As a Girls' Hockey parent and fan, there's no more exciting news than a University adding a new DI program in Women's Hockey. That's why it's a bummer to see all the naysaying and boo-hooing on this forum about Lindenwood.
Everybody is always talking about 'growing' girls'/women's hockey--here's is a perfect test to see if people are serious about that. Some of you are talking like it's a terrible imposition that this team is being formed and that they shouldn't dare expect other teams/coaches/players to give them the time of day. Others sound like they're looking forward to seeing the team fail miserably and then being able to sit back and say "I told you so."
Nobody doubted that Syracuse would be a success when they started their program a few years ago--same feeling with Penn State. Those are two huge schools with huge athletic budgets and huge athletic traditions. I doubt that Niagara or Colgate were ever worried that Syracuse would 'make it' in Women's hockey--they probably felt more like the Orange would blow by them, success-wise, in a couple years. Same with Mid-Atlantic institutions with respect to Penn State--I don't think UConn or Mercyhurst or Robert Morris are too worried that Penn State will struggle more than a couple years.
However, with Lindenwood you have a completely different challenge. This is a mid-size private university located in a non-traditional hockey area trying to make a huge jump from club hockey to DI (only Neb-Omaha and Ala-Huntsville come to mind on the Men's side). All those who are serious about growing Women's hockey need to step up right now, which is why it's not surprising that someone like Mark Johnson would suck it up and schedule the fledgling team next season. If Brad Frost or Eric Means or Jeff Geisen are serious about expanding opportunities for Minnesota HS girls, shouldn't they be willing to sacrifice one weekend toward that goal and head down to Missouri? I bet if they explained to their players what an opportunity this program represents in the long term that they'd be more than willing to take the 8-hour bus ride in support of the girls coming up behind them.
If Lindenwood succeeds, it would open the door wide to programs from unexpected places to consider adding Women's hockey, either to balance Title IX numbers instead of Lacrosse, Field Hockey, or silly things like Crew or just out of love of the game.
As a Girls' Hockey parent and fan, there's no more exciting news than a University adding a new DI program in Women's Hockey. That's why it's a bummer to see all the naysaying and boo-hooing on this forum about Lindenwood.
Everybody is always talking about 'growing' girls'/women's hockey--here's is a perfect test to see if people are serious about that. Some of you are talking like it's a terrible imposition that this team is being formed and that they shouldn't dare expect other teams/coaches/players to give them the time of day. Others sound like they're looking forward to seeing the team fail miserably and then being able to sit back and say "I told you so."
Nobody doubted that Syracuse would be a success when they started their program a few years ago--same feeling with Penn State. Those are two huge schools with huge athletic budgets and huge athletic traditions. I doubt that Niagara or Colgate were ever worried that Syracuse would 'make it' in Women's hockey--they probably felt more like the Orange would blow by them, success-wise, in a couple years. Same with Mid-Atlantic institutions with respect to Penn State--I don't think UConn or Mercyhurst or Robert Morris are too worried that Penn State will struggle more than a couple years.
However, with Lindenwood you have a completely different challenge. This is a mid-size private university located in a non-traditional hockey area trying to make a huge jump from club hockey to DI (only Neb-Omaha and Ala-Huntsville come to mind on the Men's side). All those who are serious about growing Women's hockey need to step up right now, which is why it's not surprising that someone like Mark Johnson would suck it up and schedule the fledgling team next season. If Brad Frost or Eric Means or Jeff Geisen are serious about expanding opportunities for Minnesota HS girls, shouldn't they be willing to sacrifice one weekend toward that goal and head down to Missouri? I bet if they explained to their players what an opportunity this program represents in the long term that they'd be more than willing to take the 8-hour bus ride in support of the girls coming up behind them.
If Lindenwood succeeds, it would open the door wide to programs from unexpected places to consider adding Women's hockey, either to balance Title IX numbers instead of Lacrosse, Field Hockey, or silly things like Crew or just out of love of the game.
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In a hippy utopian lets all hold hands and sing kumbaya world, you'd be right. In the world of big business, big money, championships, and finances, that's generally not how it works.
In a hippy utopian lets all hold hands and sing kumbaya world, you'd be right. In the world of big business, big money, championships, and finances, that's generally not how it works.
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I agree 100%.
Any added opportunity for girls to continue the dream of playing hockey and furthering ther education the better and I would think they could attract some nice players.
As far as complaining about the coach? You must give every coach the chance and at least 4-5 years before judging any coach. Especially a school new to D1.
As far as recruiting Lindenwood would have just as good chance to land some top players as any school other than the so called top schools.
I agree 100%.
Any added opportunity for girls to continue the dream of playing hockey and furthering ther education the better and I would think they could attract some nice players.
As far as complaining about the coach? You must give every coach the chance and at least 4-5 years before judging any coach. Especially a school new to D1.
As far as recruiting Lindenwood would have just as good chance to land some top players as any school other than the so called top schools.