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Lfc 2015
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Re: Lfc 2015
One tie out of last place... scoring is a problem and Leo is not having another AA season so far. The systems for recruiting to off ice conditioning to game prep to facilities are suspect. Is LFC a place to play hockey or is JS just happy to coast? The girls are on a role.....
Guess there are a lot of views but no passion in this program.
One tie out of last place... scoring is a problem and Leo is not having another AA season so far. The systems for recruiting to off ice conditioning to game prep to facilities are suspect. Is LFC a place to play hockey or is JS just happy to coast? The girls are on a role.....
Guess there are a lot of views but no passion in this program.
d3hockey57
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Re: Lfc 2015
What is wrong with the facilities? They have an updated main lobby, new banners hanging in the rink, and new scoreboards (all completed in the past year).
What is wrong with the facilities? They have an updated main lobby, new banners hanging in the rink, and new scoreboards (all completed in the past year).
Re: Lfc 2015
Merry Christmas to all you viewers, maybe Santa will distribute some stones and people will post. There is lots of interest in the program attested by those looking, unfortunately the teams, schools, AD's edict that no dissent is overtly expressed is alive and well. Institutional peter principle with the objective on not being too bad is the rule. There are plenty of schools that succeed at both academics and athletics, I read that Adrian has a fishing team that is better supported and funded than the hockey team. Come on there has to be some opinions. Pat is a good coach, but is he the guy to take the team to a whole new level? Tops in DIII recruit from totally different leagues. Where are the wonderful academically smart hockey players?
Merry Christmas to all you viewers, maybe Santa will distribute some stones and people will post. There is lots of interest in the program attested by those looking, unfortunately the teams, schools, AD's edict that no dissent is overtly expressed is alive and well. Institutional peter principle with the objective on not being too bad is the rule. There are plenty of schools that succeed at both academics and athletics, I read that Adrian has a fishing team that is better supported and funded than the hockey team. Come on there has to be some opinions. Pat is a good coach, but is he the guy to take the team to a whole new level? Tops in DIII recruit from totally different leagues. Where are the wonderful academically smart hockey players?
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Well as we start a new year maybe the hush from the lurkers can comment on this topic.....
The Big Ten, as a conference, is the entity that submitted legislation into the NCAA pipeline that would lower the age maximum for incoming college hockey freshmen.
So if this happens will DIII programs get even slimmer talent picking? Why is there Junior hockey in the first place?
Well as we start a new year maybe the hush from the lurkers can comment on this topic.....
The Big Ten, as a conference, is the entity that submitted legislation into the NCAA pipeline that would lower the age maximum for incoming college hockey freshmen.
So if this happens will DIII programs get even slimmer talent picking? Why is there Junior hockey in the first place?
Hammer
We'll be back.
Re: Lfc 2015
All right. I saw your team this weekend. Here's what I think you've got:
Not much, I'm afraid. It appears that the major reason for your success was due to Podolsky having a banner year last season. This year his GAA and save percentage are both off significantly. Frankly, Podolsky was not good this weekend on either night. He was pulled on Friday night, and after we broke Argiropoulos today, Podolsky wasn't overly improved this afternoon in relief. .892 and 3.68 aren't going to get it done. I'd be more worried about the .892 save percentage. That's well below average.
You're just going to have to build, and you're going to need more support from the university. When you have a beautiful campus, with a wonderful student activities center directly across the street from your arena, and then you take your recruits/players into that arena you have, you immediately send the message that hockey is not important to your school. And that's a problem.
Lake Forest College has not had a good program for quite some time now. It's a beautiful campus, in a wonderful area. I would not dispute that you would get a very good education from there. But outside of a couple decent to good seasons (last season and the one a few years back when Coach Fritz got his boys to the MCHA semis), the program has simply not had much success in quite some time.
You can change coaches all you like every couple years, and nothing is going to change. This thing goes far deeper than the man behind the bench. You need to pick a coach and let him build. And the administration and the local fanbase needs to support him. It's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take a few years of hard work and some sustained improvement on the ice. There is no quick answer. This is not a 2-year fix. You cannot compare yourselves to St. Norbert or Adrian. Adrian started from scratch with a brand new first-class facility and complete support from the administration. Coach Coghlin took a few years to build his monster at St. Norbert. You've just simply got some heavy lifting to do.
All right. I saw your team this weekend. Here's what I think you've got:
Not much, I'm afraid. It appears that the major reason for your success was due to Podolsky having a banner year last season. This year his GAA and save percentage are both off significantly. Frankly, Podolsky was not good this weekend on either night. He was pulled on Friday night, and after we broke Argiropoulos today, Podolsky wasn't overly improved this afternoon in relief. .892 and 3.68 aren't going to get it done. I'd be more worried about the .892 save percentage. That's well below average.
You're just going to have to build, and you're going to need more support from the university. When you have a beautiful campus, with a wonderful student activities center directly across the street from your arena, and then you take your recruits/players into that arena you have, you immediately send the message that hockey is not important to your school. And that's a problem.
Lake Forest College has not had a good program for quite some time now. It's a beautiful campus, in a wonderful area. I would not dispute that you would get a very good education from there. But outside of a couple decent to good seasons (last season and the one a few years back when Coach Fritz got his boys to the MCHA semis), the program has simply not had much success in quite some time.
You can change coaches all you like every couple years, and nothing is going to change. This thing goes far deeper than the man behind the bench. You need to pick a coach and let him build. And the administration and the local fanbase needs to support him. It's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take a few years of hard work and some sustained improvement on the ice. There is no quick answer. This is not a 2-year fix. You cannot compare yourselves to St. Norbert or Adrian. Adrian started from scratch with a brand new first-class facility and complete support from the administration. Coach Coghlin took a few years to build his monster at St. Norbert. You've just simply got some heavy lifting to do.
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H,
Sounds like you have the situation nailed, I believe many ex-players agree and so do interested outsiders. The administration has the whole athletic department locked down with coaches told to keep quiet. The place is run like a large high school rather than a college with a "legendary" AD running things at a "it's acceptable to be middle of the road" mentality. The pulse of Alumni cannot be that dead !!!
The academics are in place, the money is available .... the political will and competent athletic vision is lacking. Most of the students play a sport, why cannot they compete for a top notch education with top notch athletics? Yes facilities (dorm, eating, sports center, Chicago center) needed to be upgraded and that was priority for what attracts students in the first place education. Will not great athletics attract better athletes, more students and provide a better college experience? What about the vision for athletics?
I know nobody will answer because airing things in a public forum is not the LFC way. How is the old way working for you?..... just see Hammer's description of the consistently poor hockey program, enough said.
Is it possible to have a NETWORK experience within the college? I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!
H,
Sounds like you have the situation nailed, I believe many ex-players agree and so do interested outsiders. The administration has the whole athletic department locked down with coaches told to keep quiet. The place is run like a large high school rather than a college with a "legendary" AD running things at a "it's acceptable to be middle of the road" mentality. The pulse of Alumni cannot be that dead !!!
The academics are in place, the money is available .... the political will and competent athletic vision is lacking. Most of the students play a sport, why cannot they compete for a top notch education with top notch athletics? Yes facilities (dorm, eating, sports center, Chicago center) needed to be upgraded and that was priority for what attracts students in the first place education. Will not great athletics attract better athletes, more students and provide a better college experience? What about the vision for athletics?
I know nobody will answer because airing things in a public forum is not the LFC way. How is the old way working for you?..... just see Hammer's description of the consistently poor hockey program, enough said.
Is it possible to have a NETWORK experience within the college? I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!
Toe Blake's Brother
I never scored a goal backchecking!
Hammer's comments were spot on. Unfortunately, the same comments could have been made 25 years ago when talking about LF. Nice school but athletics are a step above intramural.
Hammer
We'll be back.
Re: Lfc 2015
Please make no mistake. I take no pleasure in what I said. Tearing down another man's program does not improve my team one single bit. My comments are based solely on what I've seen in my (extremely limited) observation of this program and its facilities.
Just know this. This is NOT going to be an easy, simple, short build job. This is not a 1 or 2 year fix. As I said before, it took Tim Coghlin 4 years to get SNC from the 10-15 team he inherited into the NCAA's. Adrian had the advantage of starting from scratch, starting from literally nothing. We brought in an entire team in one year. Lake Forest cannot do that. At least I don't think I'd recommend it at this stage in the program. CUW did that four years ago when Wise came to town, and they're still not where you want your program to be.
If you want to change coaches, then fine. Go get the guy you want, give him what he needs (within reason and within budget) and get the hell out of the way for a 4-5 years. But this does not appear to be a coaching issue. The issue goes higher. If you keep flipping coaches every 2-3 years, you'll never get anything built, you'll never have stability, and you'll never get anywhere. It doesn't work that way. This is not XBox, this isn't professional sports, and this sure as hell isn't the Jetsons. You don't just push a couple buttons, and everything is hunky-dory within 2 years. You've got some heavy building to do, and some pretty darn stiff competition in the way.
This is going to be much easier said than done.
Please make no mistake. I take no pleasure in what I said. Tearing down another man's program does not improve my team one single bit. My comments are based solely on what I've seen in my (extremely limited) observation of this program and its facilities.
Just know this. This is NOT going to be an easy, simple, short build job. This is not a 1 or 2 year fix. As I said before, it took Tim Coghlin 4 years to get SNC from the 10-15 team he inherited into the NCAA's. Adrian had the advantage of starting from scratch, starting from literally nothing. We brought in an entire team in one year. Lake Forest cannot do that. At least I don't think I'd recommend it at this stage in the program. CUW did that four years ago when Wise came to town, and they're still not where you want your program to be.
If you want to change coaches, then fine. Go get the guy you want, give him what he needs (within reason and within budget) and get the hell out of the way for a 4-5 years. But this does not appear to be a coaching issue. The issue goes higher. If you keep flipping coaches every 2-3 years, you'll never get anything built, you'll never have stability, and you'll never get anywhere. It doesn't work that way. This is not XBox, this isn't professional sports, and this sure as hell isn't the Jetsons. You don't just push a couple buttons, and everything is hunky-dory within 2 years. You've got some heavy building to do, and some pretty darn stiff competition in the way.
This is going to be much easier said than done.
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A Quote Schutt and Slatts should take to heart as they seemed to embrace it earlier this year.....
"If you want to touch the other shore badly enough, you will. If your #desire is diluted for any reason, you'll never make it."
"FIND A WAY" Nyad
Without engagement from Grads they will not move... there is no vision.
Hammer, - "This is going to be much easier said than done."
A Quote Schutt and Slatts should take to heart as they seemed to embrace it earlier this year.....
"If you want to touch the other shore badly enough, you will. If your #desire is diluted for any reason, you'll never make it."
"FIND A WAY" Nyad
Without engagement from Grads they will not move... there is no vision.
Re: Lfc 2015
I don't understand why people associated with LFC are constantly *****ing about a lack of institutional support for athletics. Every year we hear these complaints. Do you really think LFC supports athletics substantially less than Northland, Finlandia, Lawrence, Marian, Concordia or any of the other schools in the Midwest Conference? For some reason we don't hear these complaints from the fans and supporters of these other schools.
Adrian is very much an anomaly in DIII sports. While facing declining enrollment their administration decided to commit a very large percentage of their resources to athletics for the specific purpose of bolstering enrollment to the school. Adrian certainly did not cut corners in executing this plan. They are not the norm in DIII athletics and should not be held up as such.
SNC's program was built more by their hockey alumni and Coghlin than the actual school. Alumni are still a major, major source of their hockey budget. If you think that building a program is all about facilities, you should have seen the old barn that SNC played in when they were coming of age.
LFC has a ton going for it. It just happens to be in a super, super good hockey conference.
I don't understand why people associated with LFC are constantly *****ing about a lack of institutional support for athletics. Every year we hear these complaints. Do you really think LFC supports athletics substantially less than Northland, Finlandia, Lawrence, Marian, Concordia or any of the other schools in the Midwest Conference? For some reason we don't hear these complaints from the fans and supporters of these other schools.
Adrian is very much an anomaly in DIII sports. While facing declining enrollment their administration decided to commit a very large percentage of their resources to athletics for the specific purpose of bolstering enrollment to the school. Adrian certainly did not cut corners in executing this plan. They are not the norm in DIII athletics and should not be held up as such.
SNC's program was built more by their hockey alumni and Coghlin than the actual school. Alumni are still a major, major source of their hockey budget. If you think that building a program is all about facilities, you should have seen the old barn that SNC played in when they were coming of age.
LFC has a ton going for it. It just happens to be in a super, super good hockey conference.
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
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100% correct. Adrian also had a big donation come in from the outside to help facilitate it. Which is a really good thing, but not necessarily something other schools have gotten.
100% correct. Adrian also had a big donation come in from the outside to help facilitate it. Which is a really good thing, but not necessarily something other schools have gotten.