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LeBron: Discuss

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So did Jordan. Hell, Jordan had two all-timers and a couple very strong supporting staff.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Marcel Dionne, Adam Oates, Dale Hawerchuk, Mats Sundin, Mike Gartner, Pierre Turgeon, Gilbert Perreault, and Dino Ciccerelli. All in the Top 50 on the NHL career points list. All but Turgeon are in the HHoF. All had zero Cup wins

LeBron is already Top 10. He'll be absolute Top 5 material with a 4th championship.
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THIS is what I'm talking about. Rings don't mean a dam thing when talking about best INDIVIDUAL player.
 
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Brenthoven said:
THIS is what I'm talking about. Rings don't mean a dam thing when talking about best INDIVIDUAL player.
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NBA and NHL are vastly different leagues though. IMO, it's easier to build a winning team in the NBA. Upsets of the top teams in the first couple of rounds are far less common.
 
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Don Beebe was in 6 Super Bowls (played in 3)
Mike Lodish was in 6 Super Bowls (played in all)

Um, not even close to any kind of "best player" list.

Strengthening my anti-ring/title game argument.
 
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Tom Brady: a million rings
Jordan: a billion
Jack Nicklaus: 18
Federer: 20?
Hulk Hogan: 12
Richard Petty: 7 Daytonas
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Tom Brady: a million rings
Jordan: a billion
Jack Nicklaus: 18
Federer: 20?
Hulk Hogan: 12
Richard Petty: 7 Daytonas
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And there are many others who are as great (or at least in the same discussion) as the top ten in their fields.

LeBron is not top 10. Top 20? I can see an argument for that.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Haha. Not top ten? Not so obvious troll is now obvious.
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I already named 6. Another poster named 2 more. And that was without any research.

I swear, not christening LeBron as Top 5 is now a mortal sin. It's ridiculous. We're not selling him short, he's just not top 10 in the HISTORY of ALL basketball. Sheesh.
 
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Brenthoven said:
When in Miami, I think he may have had a little help. Just saying......
I'm not saying LeBron is average. Hell no. He's insta-HOFer, but to say he's the greatest? No, not even close. And the "ring" argument that many bring up, or even the "Finals" argument....it's a silly argument.
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And Larry Bird didnt? (you know like Kevin McHale, Danny Ainge, Robert Parrish and Bill Walton) Magic Johnson didnt. (you know the aforementioned All-Timer Kareem, James Worthy, the aforementioned Wilt Chamberlain) That is such a copout...the Heat were no more a stacked team than any of those teams. (seriously it isnt close if you compare the 80s Lakers/Celtics or 90s Bulls to the Heat)

But even accepting that...the first year he took Cleveland (before leaving) to the Finals he did it basically all by himself.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Don Beebe was in 6 Super Bowls (played in 3)
Mike Lodish was in 6 Super Bowls (played in all)

Um, not even close to any kind of "best player" list.

Strengthening my anti-ring/title game argument.
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Yes but LeBron was one of the best players on the court in every final he was in. He could have been mvp in all those seies. I used to watch nba all the time. His size and speed takes him to a different level.
 
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Handyman said:
And Larry Bird didnt? (you know like Kevin McHale, Danny Ainge, Robert Parrish and Bill Walton) Magic Johnson didnt. (you know the aforementioned All-Timer Kareem, James Worthy, the aforementioned Wilt Chamberlain) That is such a copout...the Heat were no more a stacked team than any of those teams. (seriously it isnt close if you compare the 80s Lakers/Celtics or 90s Bulls to the Heat)

But even accepting that...the first year he took Cleveland (before leaving) to the Finals he did it basically all by himself.
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That was my point. It's not like LeBron was playing 1-on-5 in Miami. He wasn't in Cleveland, either (although there was much less help in CLE)
 
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Wait, so Bird is on your list and LeBron isn't because he had players around him.

It's pointed out that Bird had a team full of HOFers.

You say, "That's my point."

I must be missing the logic in this.
 
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