Lacrosse Tragedy at U of Virginia

[Patman]

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I'm saying that judging such a large group of people by a few embarrassments is foolish in both cases, and pointing out the comedy of you being able to see that in one group, and not the other.

I judge frat boys by what I see... when they steal an entire run of newspapers like they did at Lowell... I tend to judge by that.

edit: now that that has been said, pirate has a point. While the extreme **** is when somebody gets killed we know there's a whole range of minor crap done by people who can get away with it because they are "surface good" or "surface nice" when they need to be. Its easy to point out when the excesses go so far that they hit the nightly news. I don't see any reason to apologize for them (and yes, it is "them") because I'm not one of them and they aren't good people. If you're not some idiot who goes out and acts like a jerk and then turns around and acts "surface good" then no need to worry. If you are, then nobody should apologize for you.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm saying that judging such a large group of people by a few embarrassments is foolish in both cases, and pointing out the comedy of you being able to see that in one group, and not the other.

You have no idea what you're talking about. But you go right ahead defending prejudice, hear? In another time, blaming all members of a group for the behavior of some members of that group was called McCarthyism, and was considered a bad thing. When you're dealing with well to do white college guys, not so much. Because we all KNOW what kind of people they are, don't we? Bollocks!

 

[Old Pio]

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I judge frat boys by what I see... when they steal an entire run of newspapers like they did at Lowell... I tend to judge by that.

edit: now that that has been said, pirate has a point. While the extreme **** is when somebody gets killed we know there's a whole range of minor crap done by people who can get away with it because they are "surface good" or "surface nice" when they need to be. Its easy to point out when the excesses go so far that they hit the nightly news. I don't see any reason to apologize for them (and yes, it is "them") because I'm not one of them and they aren't good people. If you're not some idiot who goes out and acts like a jerk and then turns around and acts "surface good" then no need to worry. If you are, then nobody should apologize for you.

Shook you to the core did it? And I suppose you've never heard of lefty PC students doing exactly the same thing. That keep you awake at night, too? Or just students you've already decided don't meet your lofty standards of behavior? Wrong is wrong, not just when white fraternity guys do it.
I continue to be amazed at people who would certainly classify themselves as liberal who can't wait to flaunt their bigotry--and to justify it.

 

[The Rube]

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Awesome. Another tragedy that has nothing to do with race or class all of a sudden turns into a bunch of race and class issues.

And we wonder why racism/classism doesn't go away.

 

[Foxton]

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I continue to be amazed at people who would certainly classify themselves as liberal who can't wait to flaunt their bigotry--and to justify it.

Patman is liberal?

 

[Old Pio]

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Patman is liberal?

IMO you're confused a lot of the time. I haven't (and won't) made a study of his posts. But on this issue, he's coming across as a screaming anti-white, anti-fraternity, anti-jock a-hole. I'm wondering what his attitude was on the Duke "rape" case. This terrible incident at UVA has zero to do with race, IMO, but some of us just can't wait to find an angle to justify flogging our deeply held prejudices against others. It's never a pretty sight.

edit: and if it pleases you, substitute "open minded" for "liberal," in my previous post, okay?

 

[Foxton]

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IMO you're confused a lot of the time. I haven't (and won't) made a study of his posts. But on this issue, he's coming across as a screaming anti-white, anti-fraternity, anti-jock a-hole. I'm wondering what his attitude was on the Duke "rape" case. This terrible incident at UVA has zero to do with race, IMO, but some of us just can't wait to find an angle to justify flogging our deeply held prejudices against others. It's never a pretty sight.

edit: and if it pleases you, substitute "open minded" for "liberal," in my previous post, okay?

It's easy to be confused when you're trying to decipher utter nonsense.

And no, it wouldn't please me for you to try an backtrack that you think liberals are anti-white, bigoted, and a whole host of other bull****.

 

[Old Pio]

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It's easy to be confused when you're trying to decipher utter nonsense.

And no, it wouldn't please me for you to try an backtrack that you think liberals are anti-white, bigoted, and a whole host of other bull****.

They are a great deal of the time, sweety. And it takes an awesome display of pig-headedness to deny it. Where on earth did you get the idea that I was endeavoring to "backtrack?" Not true, mon ami.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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Race has NOTHING to do with it. It was love gone wrong and the guy couldn't handle it. He's got a history of a hot temper and it got him in trouble. I've been in a position where I had a relationship with someone I cared about end and I wanted to get mad, but I got over it. Alcohol + Temper = A Bad Combo.

 

[Foxton]

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They are a great deal of the time, sweety. And it takes an awesome display of pig-headedness to deny it. Where on earth did you get the idea that I was endeavoring to "backtrack?" Not true, mon ami.

Yea I feel like endlessly repeating myself with you again.

 

[SteveF]

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But on this issue, he's coming across as a screaming anti-white, anti-fraternity, anti-jock a-hole.

nothing he said was anti-white. the only person being racial here is you.

 

[Old Pio]

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nothing he said was anti-white. the only person being racial here is you.

Delusional. Denial.

 

[Handyman]

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Man I thought the media's coverage of this was bad enough (do we really need to see highlights of the funeral, people die every day this is no more a tragedy than any other death) then I read what is going on here. Between the apparent race war and Patman's conversion into a white hating liberal this thread has officially made the hall of fame!

She is dead, move on. Racism exists, move on. Patman hates liberals with a passion so keep calling him one until his head explodes

 

[Patman]

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Between the apparent race war and Patman's conversion into a white hating liberal this thread has officially made the hall of fame!

All I want is for people to call things like they are. You know, its not like these things haven't happened before where unchecked scumbags do bad things.

http://www.wfsb.com/news/11054687/detail.html

This one was a classic... freshman gets killed outside of the chem building (when I graduated 3 years later there was still a temporary memorial there). The students involve run... i believe then take a vehicle to an out-of-state bodyshop to get it repaired. The parents of the little snowflakes that took this girl's life figured they could get UConn to make it all hush-hush so that they wouldn't have to be embarrassed because "that's what these schools do" or something to that effect.

 

[Old Pio]

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I hope everyone's cranium is safe. But it is possible to bring up an annecdote or in fact several about members of a given group and to endeavor to paint all members of that group. "Did you hear about the Jew who. . ." "That Mexican bastiche and his pals. . ." "Then there was the n****r who raped a white girl. . ." I don't think any of us who post here think that way. Yet one of us suggested his opinion of white guys, or jocks or fraternity guys or whatever it was, derived from the stealing of a press run of the Lowell newspaper. How is that single incident different from drawing negative inferences about all Jews, Latinos or African Americans based on some single incident? IMHO, there's no difference.

 

[bronconick]

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I think I know what Patman's getting at.

Rich folks = Minor issues, warning signs, etc. get ignored until it's too late because their money and influence can smooth things over

Athletes= Minor issues, warning signs, etc. often get ignored until it's too late because they're needed on the field!

Rich athletes? Pssh, nothing's happening to them until they slam an ex-girlfriend's head into a wall a few times, stab their ex-wife and some dude at her house a, or lock a 19 year old girl into a bar bathroom with them while some ex-cop bodyguards watch the door. And even in those last two cases, all they got was bad publicity.

You give someone money and the belief that they're untouchable, and you usually get bad things because while a person can be nice, people in general suck.

 

[Old Pio]

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I think I know what Patman's getting at.

Rich folks = Minor issues, warning signs, etc. get ignored until it's too late because their money and influence can smooth things over

Athletes= Minor issues, warning signs, etc. often get ignored until it's too late because they're needed on the field!

Rich athletes? Pssh, nothing's happening to them until they slam an ex-girlfriend's head into a wall a few times, stab their ex-wife and some dude at her house a, or lock a 19 year old girl into a bar bathroom with them while some ex-cop bodyguards watch the door. And even in those last two cases, all they got was bad publicity.

You give someone money and the belief that they're untouchable, and you usually get bad things because while a person can be nice, people in general suck.

You sound like the Reich's commissioner on race explaining why Jews need "special handling." You can rationalize your prejudices any way you like, they're still prejudices. I mentioned the martialing of annecdotes to justify bigotry in my previous post, thanks for making my case for me.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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UVA hosts Mount St. Mary's this coming weekend. Looks like that little school is going to get dragged into this hot mess. I can see it coming a mile away.

 

[bronconick]

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You sound like the Reich's commissioner on race explaining why Jews need "special handling." You can rationalize your prejudices any way you like, they're still prejudices. I mentioned the martialing of annecdotes to justify bigotry in my previous post, thanks for making my case for me.

Go cry some more. It amuses me. Those poor, oppressed, rich, athletic, white boys.

 

[Patman]

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You sound like the Reich's commissioner on race explaining why Jews need "special handling." You can rationalize your prejudices any way you like, they're still prejudices. I mentioned the martialing of annecdotes to justify bigotry in my previous post, thanks for making my case for me.

Dude... honestly, get over yourself. Yes, the Duke thing was a miscarriage based on the perceptions of what people thought should be true.

In this UVA case... he already admitted it was "an accident"... beating some girl against the wall isn't an accident. Leaving her unconscious isn't an accident. How much do you want to bet the warning signs were there in his case?

You're so concerned about bigotry... who is looking for escape routes for evil here? Is there seriously an epidemic of falsely accused suburbanite-athletes? Sorry, 9 years of college and you tend to see what people are like. People run the gamut from saints to devils. I still wonder what twit thought it was worth his time to turn my license plate 135 degrees upwards... bet his teachers and parents think he's a good kid? Keep defending these "good kids"... even the Duke players weren't angels though they were sure as hell not guilty.