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Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

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Frankly, I love all these threats to add posters to Ignore. Yet, in a few weeks, the usual suspects all seem to start interacting and arguing with each other again. ;)
 
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Slap Shot said:
Nice try, Bob but obfuscation with duck and cover is your m.o. so not a surprise. Time to add you to ignore like Flag once and for all.
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You've said that off and on for years. Obviously you never actually did it. Not that I'd really notice, as you don't substantively respond to me anyway. :p
 
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leswp1 said:
I thought suicide was a sin. What an odd thing to do. If that was a gesture to 'wake people up' all it did for me reinforce my thoughts that we need to lobby harder to treat mental illness.
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That was / is the irony. Though I believe some religions have softened their position on the severity...but yeah, I think mental issues are not unlikely in this case. Therefore it may be fortunate, or very fortunate he didn't load his suit pockets with explosives and head for the nearest same sex marriage ceremony...or something.
 
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leswp1 said:
I thought suicide was a sin. What an odd thing to do. If that was a gesture to 'wake people up' all it did for me reinforce my thoughts that we need to lobby harder to treat mental illness.
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brookyone said:
That was / is the irony. Though I believe some religions have softened their position on the severity...but yeah, I think mental issues are not unlikely in this case. Therefore it may be fortunate, or very fortunate he didn't load his suit pockets with explosives and head for the nearest same sex marriage ceremony...or something.
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Catholics used to classify suicide as a mortal sin (A serious, grave or mortal sin is the knowing and willful violation of God's law in a serious matter).

But as understanding of mental disorders came about in the later 20th century, it was realized that since life is God's greatest gift, then how can a "normal" person knowingly and willfully toss it away?? Therefore, there must be something wrong and the suicide is not in complete control of their faculties (or something like that).

If Peter's sin can be forgiven, then anyone's sin can be forgiven. All you have to do is ask and be contrite.
 
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joecct said:
Catholics used to classify suicide as a mortal sin (A serious, grave or mortal sin is the knowing and willful violation of God's law in a serious matter).

But as understanding of mental disorders came about in the later 20th century, it was realized that since life is God's greatest gift, then how can a "normal" person knowingly and willfully toss it away?? Therefore, there must be something wrong and the suicide is not in complete control of their faculties (or something like that).

If Peter's sin can be forgiven, then anyone's sin can be forgiven. All you have to do is ask and be contrite.
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If you succeed in suicide how can you be contrite? (This was the first thing I thought when I read this.)

Not Catholic but have been surrounded by pre-Vatican II folks who were adamant that it was a sin. I am glad the Church has become more flexible. I took care of some people early in my career who were in a horrible state. They had tried suicide and felt more hopeless than they did before the attempt. Because the belief that suicide was a Mortal Sin they felt they were denied the comfort of their faith and the grace of forgiveness from God.

WWC- In most religions just because God may forgive you does not absolve you for the responsibility of your actions. Kind of like when you are a parent and love your kid but punish him to the point of misery.
 
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leswp1 said:
WWC- In most religions just because God may forgive you does not absolve you for the responsibility of your actions. Kind of like when you are a parent and love your kid but punish him to the point of misery.
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But if God forgives you and you are a believer you get to go to heaven? Or do those who commit unspeakable acts go to the Motel 6 of heaven?

I am not trying to start an all out religious debate and I find you a very reasonable poster but the whole God forgiveness, heaven/hell thing has never made much sense to me. I was raised Catholic so I admit there are more "liberal" belief systems out there and I may be biased towards focusing on strict interpretation. To me, saying homosexuality is a sin (not saying you personally do) which is not a choice (its not) might cause you to go to hell but on the other hand saying God forgives if you are truly sorry for something horrible you did out of "free will" is really troublesome.
 
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