Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

[leswp1]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

The best part is imagining a day when Minnesota is liberated from the presence of Michele Queen of Whack-a-Doodle Bachmann and its associated embarrassment.

Just so long as she doesn't come here.....oh wait we believe in equality here too. Phew Safe.

Adultery is one of the no-nos in the 10 Commandments. Sodomy is also a bibical no-no. So, as the Hebrew National commercial goes, "We answer to a higher authority."

Premarital sex is a current bug a boo with some. With the increase of teenage baby mamas, the adage of playing with fire and you might get burned may be a good teaching point.

Too lazy to look but I don't think the stat of teen mamas is going up. Since the advent of education it is less.

All those things are no-nos. As are a number of other things that have become so acceptable that no one even blinks when they happen or don't- covering your head, eating certain foods, shunning if the person is not compliant with 'The Way' and does not respond to the community trying to correct them. I am sure the others could quote more. The whole of Matthew talks about paying attention to the intent of the law and not being literal. There were reasons many things were not acceptable that had to do with health and protection.

 

[joecct]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

You've basically defended my position for me...why does the religious right need want more laws? They already have their own set of laws that they are suppose to follow. This country is based on a freedom of religion, and not all religions believe the same things so not we shouldn't be making law of scripture. The bible says not to do something, so if you believe in the bible, don't do, but not everyone believes in the bible so we don't need a law to say someone can't do something. That is the beauty of America.

Thou shall not kill (commit murder). Thou shall not steal.

Don't need laws on the books?

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Thou shall not kill (commit murder). Thou shall not steal.

Don't need laws on the books?

Apparently not. Republicans in Congress just argued that criminals will break the law anyway, so why bother?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Apparently not. Republicans in Congress just argued that criminals will break the law anyway, so why bother?

Isn't breaking the law the definition of a crime, and a person who commits a crime a definition of a criminal?

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Isn't breaking the law the definition of a crime, and a person who commits a crime a definition of a criminal?

Don't ask me...I'm not the one who made the argument.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Don't ask me...I'm not the one who made the argument.

Neither am I. Who did? Or are you just going on another partisan tirade?

 

[leswp1]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Neither am I. Who did? Or are you just going on another partisan tirade?

I chuckled. Twice. They are running an ad (incessantly) against someone in NH right now about the background cks helping the criminals have better access and one of the people makes a comment very similar to Priceless. I guess you have to be here.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Neither am I. Who did? Or are you just going on another partisan tirade?

Sens Shelby, Grassley and Coburn specifically.

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Feel free to fast forward to 2:20

 

[XYZ]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Feel free to fast forward to 2:20

I'm confused. Is this supposed to be funny or legitimate commentary to be taken seriously, or does it conveniently depend on the circumstance?

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I'm confused. Is this supposed to be funny or legitimate commentary to be taken seriously, or does it conveniently depend on the circumstance?

Here's a hint: It's on a network called "Comedy Central" and its lead in show is South Park

The key aspect in this is the clips from Senators Shelby, Coburn and Grassley where they argue that laws don't stop evil-doers so there's no point in trying.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

I'm confused. Is this supposed to be funny or legitimate commentary to be taken seriously, or does it conveniently depend on the circumstance?

It can't be both? It is either laugh or cry.

 

[Priceless]

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It can't be both? It is either laugh or cry.

♪ I'm so happy that I can't stop crying ♪

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Thou shall not kill (commit murder). Thou shall not steal.

Don't need laws on the books?

They only want laws that come from sources other than religion. Anything goes, as long as has no connection whatsoever with religion. It's a fool's concept, but it is what it is.

 

[unofan]

They only want laws that come from sources other than religion. Anything goes, as long as has no connection whatsoever with religion. It's a fool's concept, but it is what it is.

So you'd be fine if we instituted some sharia law? Or maybe some Buddhist principles?

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Are people actually arguing that if it wasn't for the 10 commandments, we'd think that killing someone would be ok? Seriously, to think that that law is not based on basic human understanding of good, and is only there because it was written in the bible is ludicrous.

I don't think religions should enter into the decision of what should be a law or not. I'm with SG, it doesn't hurt anyone else if the gays are getting married, or if people are having pre-marrital sex, why should we listen to a religion to decide that those things are right or wrong? We shouldn't. With that said, that doesn't mean we can't have overlaps, like "thou shall not kill", because you know what? That is ****ing common sense.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Are people actually arguing that if it wasn't for the 10 commandments, we'd think that killing someone would be ok? Seriously, to think that that law is not based on basic human understanding of good, and is only there because it was written in the bible is ludicrous.

I don't think religions should enter into the decision of what should be a law or not. I'm with SG, it doesn't hurt anyone else if the gays are getting married, or if people are having pre-marrital sex, why should we listen to a religion to decide that those things are right or wrong? We shouldn't. With that said, that doesn't mean we can't have overlaps, like "thou shall not kill", because you know what? That is ****ing common sense.

There are people that believe "honour killings" are OK. Not to mention, a human understanding of good has to have basis somewhere, and claiming the parents doesn't work because you then get a recursive question.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

There are people that believe "honour killings" are OK. Not to mention, a human understanding of good has to have basis somewhere, and claiming the parents doesn't work because you then get a recursive question.

I think most people would say that they know that killing another person is wrong, and that they would know that without needing religion to tell them. And I'm not including wacked out ragheads that think honor killings are OK, they're a ****ed up kind of people that don't deserve to live on this planet.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

There are people that believe "honour killings" are OK. Not to mention, a human understanding of good has to have basis somewhere, and claiming the parents doesn't work because you then get a recursive question.

Again, people are now ok with human understanding coming from anywhere but religion. Somehow the possibility that religion could inform us in any way is just beyond the pale of possibility to many people. Surely a bizarre state of affairs, but that's where our nation finds itself. But, as history shows, every great nation eventually decays and falls.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Again, people are now ok with human understanding coming from anywhere but religion. Somehow the possibility that religion could inform us in any way is just beyond the pale of possibility to many people. Surely a bizarre state of affairs, but that's where our nation finds itself. But, as history shows, every great nation eventually decays and falls.

So you'd be fine if we instituted some sharia law? Or maybe some Buddhist principles?

?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: Just what IS "marriage" anyway?

Again, people are now ok with human understanding coming from anywhere but religion. Somehow the possibility that religion could inform us in any way is just beyond the pale of possibility to many people. Surely a bizarre state of affairs, but that's where our nation finds itself. But, as history shows, every great nation eventually decays and falls.

Probably because people mistaken the difference between religion and spirituality. This is one of the lessons taught during the South Park two-parter "Do the Handicapped Go to Hell?"/"Probably" (Synopsis: Cartman turns into the equivalent of a preachy Southern Baptist minister). People are turning away from religious beliefs because they associate it with sitting/standing/kneeling in a building/carpet/whatever at a certain frequency and then taking a number of tomes literally that you have to do or not do certain things in order to go somewhere when you die. For some people, that's a sense of direction, and can easily be respected. What I find spiritual people do is that they take the teachings of religions and shape it into what they believe constitutes a good person, and typically allows for people to have the freedom to express themselves in the way that they do. The definition of "good person" does have to have roots somewhere, and I do believe it evolves over time. Who knows, thousand of years from now humans may become cannibals.