Jerry York and the quest for win #925

[UncleRay]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

That's the real issue to breaking it - longevity. If a guy becomes a head coach at 30 - 35 years old and has a 30-year career, he'll need to win almost 31 games per year to make 925. For a 35-year career, it drops to over 26, which is still a big number. Conversely, 25 wins/year will take 37 years to hit 925. And Jerry is still going. Honestly, it almost makes me want to be a BC fan. Almost.

I haven't bothered to look, but is there any way to get tickets next Saturday? I'm realizing that it will be a game to see, one for the ages.

The record will be broken, some day. But it will happen when a young coach gets an opportunity at a "have-not," does well, and moves up to a bigger program. In other words, mirrors Jerry's career track.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

gotta step up now! only three games left and he needs to win two (dec 21st is coming up fast!!! )

 

[Tater]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

But it will happen when a young coach gets an opportunity at a "have-not," does well, and moves up to a bigger program. In other words, mirrors Jerry's career track.

York's first head coaching position was at Clarkson, at that time an Eastern power. Far from a "have-not."

 

[sterlippo1]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

The biggest stumbling block I see is that York (41 years coaching) and Parker (40 years) were elevated to head coach at young ages, just a few years out of college. We don't really see that happen anymore, especially at a program of any prominence.

good point

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

York's first head coaching position was at Clarkson, at that time an Eastern power. Far from a "have-not."

York took over a power, but....the 4 years before he arrived, Clarkson was 91-29-3 (.752) and his first four years were 61-56-3 (.521). Perhaps there's a reason not too many 20-somethings get a head coaching shot! Of course, he rebounded to .674 during his last 3 years, which allowed him to make the jump to BG, and the rest is history.

 

[samboni]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Jerry York's 923 career victories have ALL been at the Division I level, same with Jack Parker. Something to keep in mind regarding the all-time wins record, and certainly not to discredit Ron Mason's great coaching career, but 130 of Mason's victories came while coaching Lake Superior State College, which was a member of the NAIA at the time, not the NCAA.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Not only is Jerry 2nd in all time wins, he is also 2nd in all time losses..... Behind only Rick Comley.

Interestingly they are the only two modern coaches (along with Ned Harkness way back when) to win a national title with two different programs.

Something to think about for those people that want to discount the notion that changing programs isn't going to cause losses to mount up early in the process and there is a reason for that too - a new coach is using players that are not his and is asking them to change systems. Typically, in evaluating long-term coaching tenures you give a coach a 3-year grace period to get all of his players into the system.

In analyzing Jerry York, we have the following numbers:

Clarkson
Avg losses first 3 seasons: 14.67
Avg losses after: 10.75
Avg change: 3.92

Bowling Green
Avg losses first 3 seasons: 19.00
Avg losses after: 15.91
Avg change: 3.09

Boston College
Avg losses first 3 seasons: 19.33
Avg losses after: 11.07
Avg change: 8.26

Also interesting to note,
- After his first 3 years at Clarkson, York did not have any sub-.500 seasons
- York won a national title in Year 5 at BG (similarly so did Comley at MSU in Year 5) and had BC regularly in the FF by year 4 at BC.

 

[cnor79]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Well, we're both trying to extrapolate future performance based on past results, so it's sketchy at best. I really doubt that your more complex view could be shown to be any more accurate. The target is purely the # of wins, so wins per year * years coaching is all it takes to get there. Most coaches move around; the ones who move up to the powerhouses do so because they were successful (i.e. had a lot of wins) at smaller-time programs. As an example, Lucia has 24.5 per year at UM, but he had 27.7 at CC.

You're right that the # of games each year is not constant, but it tends to be increasing, which makes it even more likely that the record will be broken.

Of coarse it's sketchy, but it is very fun to do! After all it is human nature to try to predict the future (I mean psychics profit off that desire every day )

And you might be right that my more complex view may not be any more accurate, but I think it is still an interesting way of looking at it.

Whether his record stands forever or it is broken the year after he retires, Jerry York will still be considered one of if not the greatest coaches of all time. In his 40 years of coaching so far, he has gone to the NCAA tournament 19 times, making it to the Frozen Four of those times, runner up 4 times and winning five of them (Needs only one more championship to be tied with Vic Heyliger for most championships). That's a pretty good resume if you ask me.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Resume still a little thin.... Needs more meat!

 

[JDUBBS1280]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Looks like it's about time for me to man up and admit I'm likely going to be dead wrong about BC this season. I thought their young defensemen would struggle more than they have, but they've looked good. I thought Milner would regress back more than he has. He's looked really solid. I thought they'd have more problems finding secondary scoring, but guys have stepped up.

Hats off to Jerry York. I am very impressed.

 

[sterlippo1]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Looks like it's about time for me to man up and admit I'm likely going to be dead wrong about BC this season. I thought their young defensemen would struggle more than they have, but they've looked good. I thought Milner would regress back more than he has. He's looked really solid. I thought they'd have more problems finding secondary scoring, but guys have stepped up.

Hats off to Jerry York. I am very impressed.

I'm impressed too............ by your post. As your announcers said on the saturday night UVM broadcast, the BC-Minnesota game will be "cataclysmic, earth moving event" Should be a great one, can't wait.

 

[JDUBBS1280]

I'm impressed too............ by your post. As your announcers said on the saturday night UVM broadcast, the BC-Minnesota game will be "cataclysmic, earth moving event" Should be a great one, can't wait.

No problem I'm a strong believer in admitting when you are wrong, and so far it looks like I was dead wrong on BC this year.

BC at Minnesota will be a fun game to watch. I'm excited to see BC in person. But if the two teams play the way they have been, I think it will be a repeat of last March. BC has looked like it's usual unstoppable self, and Minnesota has been quite underwhelming.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Records are made to be broken... so whatever Jerry York's record ends up being when he retires, it will eventually be broken. Who knows, as mentioned predicting the future is sketchy at best.... Maybe Jack Parker coaches a couple years longer and breaks it or maybe the coach who does break it hasn't even coached his first game yet, or maybe it is someone somewhere in between.... obviously it will have to be someone appointed as head coach at a pretty young age....

 

[FiveHole12]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Looks like it's about time for me to man up and admit I'm likely going to be dead wrong about BC this season. I thought their young defensemen would struggle more than they have, but they've looked good. I thought Milner would regress back more than he has. He's looked really solid. I thought they'd have more problems finding secondary scoring, but guys have stepped up.

Hats off to Jerry York. I am very impressed.

Dang... I was chomping at the bit to jump all over your arse later on down the road.

I'm impressed too............ by your post. As your announcers said on the saturday night UVM broadcast, the BC-Minnesota game will be "cataclysmic, earth moving event" Should be a great one, can't wait.

I stated this earlier in the year and stand by my prediction... Minny is gonna kick our arse in December.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what may happen in April <grin>

 

[mookie1995]

I stated this earlier in the year and stand by my prediction... Minny is gonna kick our arse in December.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what may happen in April <grin>

Gophs have NOT been a good Christmas team the last couple years. Y'all should take care of tem and have Jerry tie the record that night

 

[FiveHole12]

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Gophs have NOT been a good Christmas team the last couple years. Y'all should take care of tem and have Jerry tie the record that night

Pfft... the record will be ancient history by then.

Gophs want pay back. They'll get it sooner, not later, or maybe not at all.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

Records are made to be broken... so whatever Jerry York's record ends up being when he retires, it will eventually be broken. Who knows, as mentioned predicting the future is sketchy at best.... Maybe Jack Parker coaches a couple years longer and breaks it or maybe the coach who does break it hasn't even coached his first game yet, or maybe it is someone somewhere in between.... obviously it will have to be someone appointed as head coach at a pretty young age....

I'd be pretty surprised if Jack coaches longer than Jerry...

 

[sigx15]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

BC mind you also wont have Wunderkid Johnny G for that game because of the WJC. I know Minny will lose a few but BC is incredibly centered around him right now even more so than they were with Gerbe and Gionta IMO

 

[Onion Man]

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That's the real issue to breaking it - longevity. If a guy becomes a head coach at 30 - 35 years old and has a 30-year career, he'll need to win almost 31 games per year to make 925. For a 35-year career, it drops to over 26, which is still a big number. Conversely, 25 wins/year will take 37 years to hit 925. And Jerry is still going. Honestly, it almost makes me want to be a BC fan. Almost.

I haven't bothered to look, but is there any way to get tickets next Saturday? I'm realizing that it will be a game to see, one for the ages.

The record will be broken, some day. But it will happen when a young coach gets an opportunity at a "have-not," does well, and moves up to a bigger program. In other words, mirrors Jerry's career track.

I think it will be more difficult for someone else to break his inevitable record. To have that much success, you have to think the NHL would be a tempting place. You would need to be a guy who is tremendously successful and willing to stay in the college ranks for his entire career. That's a special type of guy. Guys like York, Parker, Umile, etc are a rare breed in that regard.

 

[Onion Man]

Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

BC mind you also wont have Wunderkid Johnny G for that game because of the WJC. I know Minny will lose a few but BC is incredibly centered around him right now even more so than they were with Gerbe and Gionta IMO

WJC will steal players from both teams in that game. Both seem to have great depth so it will be fun to watch (I assume it will be on TV somewhere)