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Jerry York and the quest for win #925

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923 now, with Dartmouth out of the way. Should make for an even greater than usual BC-BU weekend now.
 
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Brian Gentry said:
True, not a traditional power, but he did inherit a program that went 140-44-6 over the last five seasons. It's not like he had to turn a crappy program into a winner.
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At Bowling Green he inherited a team that had won more games in the previous 5 years than any other college... MN 130, MTU 127, Wisc 126, BU 124. (BC 84)
 
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mookie1995 said:
Depends how long after that Jack Parker stays above ground.
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The longer he sticks around as BU's coach, the more diminished he and his program become. He's too selfish to realize that everyone thinks he's overstayed his welcome.
 
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Not only is Jerry 2nd in all time wins, he is also 2nd in all time losses..... Behind only Rick Comley.
 
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LSSULaker889294 said:
When Jerry York retires, will his coaching wins record be unbreakable?
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Definitely not. Jerry's averaged 23.4 wins per season; Lucia and Umile are both at 23.7. I'm not saying that either of those guys will get there, just pointing out that York's winning rate is not really that far ahead of other top coaches. Others who get into the 900's will definitely come along.
 
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LynahFan said:
Definitely not. Jerry's averaged 23.4 wins per season; Lucia and Umile are both at 23.7. I'm not saying that either of those guys will get there, just pointing out that York's winning rate is not really that far ahead of other top coaches. Others who get into the 900's will definitely come along.
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And the games played per season are exponentially more likely to increase than decrease in the future.
 
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Chris_NH said:
The longer he sticks around as BU's coach, the more diminished he and his program become. He's too selfish to realize that everyone thinks he's overstayed his welcome.
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If you're a BC fan, you don't mind if JP continues to coach BU. As long as we have York, we can take advantage.

You don't remember the days when BU fans talked smack to BC fans when BU was king of the block for decades and we never won anything except once in a decade Beanpot.
 
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BCeagle said:
You don't remember the days when BU fans talked smack to BC fans when BU was king of the block for decades and we never won anything except once in a decade Beanpot.
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I sure remember:mad: from the late 60's on:o:mad:
 
Re: Jerry York and the quest for win #925

LynahFan said:
Definitely not. Jerry's averaged 23.4 wins per season; Lucia and Umile are both at 23.7. I'm not saying that either of those guys will get there, just pointing out that York's winning rate is not really that far ahead of other top coaches. Others who get into the 900's will definitely come along.
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Those statistics do not really provide much support for your argument. First off, if you are going to use average wins per season, you should really only use the seasons they were coaching at their current school, because how they did with other schools is not really relevant. When you calculate the average number of wins a season at their current school York has 24.8, Lucia has 24.4, and Umile's number obviously doesn't change. However this statistic isn't even really that helpful in showing anything, because the number of games in a season is not constant.

The statistic you should look at is the percentage of games won (not winning the winning percentage, because that takes into account ties and we don't want that). Jerry has won 61.3% of his games since starting at BC, 65% since 2000 and 63.9% in his last ten full seasons. Lucia has 61.7% since starting at Minn, 59.3% since 2000, and 58.8% in his last 10 seasons (Note: None of these percentages include this current season). So lately he has been winning a higher percentage of his games then some of the other best coaches, and will most likely continue winning at this, or a higher percentage, and thus further separate himself.

However, I do agree that his record will not unbreakable. Hard to break, yes, and it will probably be a while after he retires that it is broken (seeing most of the top coaches now are about York's age), but it will be broken someday.
 
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The biggest stumbling block I see is that York (41 years coaching) and Parker (40 years) were elevated to head coach at young ages, just a few years out of college. We don't really see that happen anymore, especially at a program of any prominence. York's win percentage is very good, but not near the top. Mason had his wins in a much lower number of games. I am not sure future coaches are going to have the longevity to amass so many wins.
 
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cnor79 said:
Those statistics do not really provide much support for your argument. First off, if you are going to use average wins per season, you should really only use the seasons they were coaching at their current school, because how they did with other schools is not really relevant. When you calculate the average number of wins a season at their current school York has 24.8, Lucia has 24.4, and Umile's number obviously doesn't change. However this statistic isn't even really that helpful in showing anything, because the number of games in a season is not constant.

The statistic you should look at is the percentage of games won (not winning the winning percentage, because that takes into account ties and we don't want that). Jerry has won 61.3% of his games since starting at BC, 65% since 2000 and 63.9% in his last ten full seasons. Lucia has 61.7% since starting at Minn, 59.3% since 2000, and 58.8% in his last 10 seasons (Note: None of these percentages include this current season). So lately he has been winning a higher percentage of his games then some of the other best coaches, and will most likely continue winning at this, or a higher percentage, and thus further separate himself.
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Well, we're both trying to extrapolate future performance based on past results, so it's sketchy at best. I really doubt that your more complex view could be shown to be any more accurate. The target is purely the # of wins, so wins per year * years coaching is all it takes to get there. Most coaches move around; the ones who move up to the powerhouses do so because they were successful (i.e. had a lot of wins) at smaller-time programs. As an example, Lucia has 24.5 per year at UM, but he had 27.7 at CC.

You're right that the # of games each year is not constant, but it tends to be increasing, which makes it even more likely that the record will be broken.
 
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