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Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

Interesting. Thanks.

Well, I could be talking out of my rear, too, as that college course was about 8 years and thousands of beers ago. But to the best of my recollection, that's what the text said.
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

The one in Chile last year was 8.8
According to the US geological survey, 8.9 makes it the fifth largest recorded since 1900. The 2004 quake that caused the giant tsunami in Indonesia was a 9.1. The largest recorded one since 1900 was a 9.5 also in Chile.
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

So there's this nugget buried at the end of CNN's story.

"When you jump a magnitude from 7 to 8, it's not 10 times stronger, it's 1000 times stronger," said CNN International meteorologist Ivan Cabrera. "With an ... earthquake that shallow, that close to shore, there will be more than one tsunami."

Now, I'm no meteorolgist, but I thought that a jump from a 7 to an 8 meant precisely that it's 10 times stronger. Or am I getting my logrithmic scales screwed up?
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

So there's this nugget buried at the end of CNN's story.



Now, I'm no meteorolgist, but I thought that a jump from a 7 to an 8 meant precisely that it's 10 times stronger. Or am I getting my logrithmic scales screwed up?
It depends actually.

From Wiki:
The Richter magnitude scale, also known as the local magnitude (ML) scale, assigns a single number to quantify the amount of seismic energy released by an earthquake. It is a base-10 logarithmic scale obtained by calculating the logarithm of the combined horizontal amplitude (shaking amplitude) of the largest displacement from zero on a particular type of seismometer (Wood–Anderson torsion). So, for example, an earthquake that measures 5.0 on the Richter scale has a shaking amplitude 10 times larger than one that measures 4.0. The effective upper limit of measurement for local magnitude ML is just below 9 for local magnitudes and just below 10 for moment magnitude when applied to large earthquakes.[1]

The Richter scale has been superseded by the moment magnitude scale, which is calibrated to give generally similar values for medium-sized earthquakes (magnitudes between 3 and 7). Unlike the Richter scale, the moment magnitude scale reports a fundamental property of the earthquake derived from instrument data, rather than reporting instrument data which is not always comparable across earthquakes, and does not saturate in the high-magnitude range. Since the Moment Magnitude scale generally yields very similar results to the Richter scale, magnitudes of earthquakes reported in the mass media are usually reported without indicating which scale is being used.

The energy release of an earthquake, which closely correlates to its destructive power, scales with the 3⁄2 power of the shaking amplitude. Thus, a difference in magnitude of 1.0 is equivalent to a factor of 31.6 ( = (101.0)(3 / 2)) in the energy released; a difference in magnitude of 2.0 is equivalent to a factor of 1000 ( = (102.0)(3 / 2) ) in the energy released.[2]
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

So there's this nugget buried at the end of CNN's story.



Now, I'm no meteorolgist, but I thought that a jump from a 7 to an 8 meant precisely that it's 10 times stronger. Or am I getting my logrithmic scales screwed up?
If it is logarithmic, it should be 10 times...
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

It depends actually.

Doesn't that still say the guy is flat out wrong? Even if he's talking about actual energy output rather than traditional wave amplitude, I read that as saying it takes an increase of 2 magnitudes to increase energy by 1000x, while an increase of one magnitude is only ~31 times stronger.
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

Doesn't that still say the guy is flat out wrong? Even if he's talking about actual energy output rather than traditional wave amplitude, I read that as saying it takes an increase of 2 magnitudes to increase energy by 1000x, while an increase of one magnitude is only ~31 times stronger.
Oh, maybe so. I guess I read it as 1 to 2 was 1000x. Not the other way. But I can see that.
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

Someone call the Westboro Baptist Church. Japan does not recognize same-sex unions at all and has few legal protections for discrimination. God is clearly punishing them.
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

Someone call the Westboro Baptist Church. Japan does not recognize same-sex unions at all and has few legal protections for discrimination. God is clearly punishing them.

But they're heathens. God is punishing them for not being Christian.
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

From what little I remember from my "natural disasters" course in college (easy science credit FTW), the distance from the epicenter doesn't affect it all that much, or at least not as much as you'd expect. The fact that Guam and Hawaii didn't see much at all would seem to make it more likely that it was simply a focused tsunami, and thankfully for the U.S., it was directed towards Japan rather than across the Pacific towards us.

I would have thought that energy per unit area in a wavefront would decline with the square of distance from the epicenter.
 
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All that beer... gone...
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

If you're a ship in the water, I'd rather be out at sea for a tsunami than in harbor. While a tsunami can move an amazing speeds in the open ocean, the wavelength is much longer and the amplitude is much lower. Once the waves are compressed, the wavelength decreases, the amplitude increases, and it's much more violent on the surface. At least that's how I see it.

As described by a coworker, the waves that hit Hawaii weren't even big enough for surfers to get out of bed. Six feet tops.
 
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Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

As described by a coworker, the waves that hit japan weren't even big enough for surfers to get out of bed. Six feet tops.

If you're a ship in the water, I'd rather be out at sea for a tsunami than in harbor. While a tsunami can move an amazing speeds in the open ocean, the wavelength is much longer and the amplitude is much lower. Once the waves are compressed, the wavelength decreases, the amplitude increases, and it's much more violent on the surface. At least that's how I see it.

Pretty much, you really wouldn't notice it at all if you're out on the open ocean. Its just those places up close around land where they cause problems.
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

Also, just to make sure anyone who's already quoted my post above. I meant to say (as shown in the edited post) the waves in HAWAII were not big enough for surfers to get out of bed.
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

I would have thought that energy per unit area in a wavefront would decline with the square of distance from the epicenter.

You're probably right, but I think it's the square of the distance part that throws people off. That essentially means that for the energy of a wave to be halved, it doesn't have to go double the distance but 4 times the distance, right?
 
Re: Japan hit by 8.9 Magnitude Quake, Tsunami Warnings In Effect

Interesting note, CNN had a reporter from Tokyo who was watching a parliament session when a Earthquake warning for a "large" quake flashed on screen. Roughly 30 seconds later....the 8.9 quake hit. Earthquake warnings are relatively new, but this one seemed to work, though 30 seconds of warning for a massive earthquake isnt much.
 
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