January 21st Poll Speculations

[NUProf]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

You are exactly right. It is counter-intuitive for sure, but if you think about it, the poll rankings are just a list of best to worst of average ranking by the voters. If you break down the voting points here is a breakdown of the average ranking from last week to this week:

1.Norwich 2.05-->1.55
2.St. Norbert 1.65-->2.25
3.Bowdoin 4.20-->3.00
4.Oswego 4.90-->5.05
5.Hobart 2.80-->5.40
6.Wisc - EC 6.3-->5.70
7.Adrian 7.25-->6.75
8.Utica 8.85-->6.90
9.Plattsburgh 9.05-->9.40
10.Amherst 9.80-->10.20
11.M'ville 11.50-->12.55
12.Williams 12.75-->13.45
13.Mass-Boston 14.85-->13.90
14.Babson 14.10-->13.95
15.MSOE 15.15-->14.40
15.Neumann 15.30-->14.40

As you can see, Utica actually has an average ranking of 6.9 (up from 8.85 last week) but there are/were 7 teams with a better average ranking both weeks. Very rarely does it work out that a teams average ranking is also their actual ranking like it did with Bowdoin this week.

You will have to excuse the in depth analysis on such a (NCAA wise) meaningless poll, I'm a bit of a poll geek.

Actually the poll thing is a good illustration of some of the flaws of the use of the Borda Count method for determining rankings of candidates for anything. The problem is Arrow's impossibility theorem, which says that there is no fair way to rank a list that is longer than two choices.

On another issue, Utica fans might be interested in the rankings that will appear on another site later today...

 

[norm1909]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Actually the poll thing is a good illustration of some of the flaws of the use of the Borda Count method for determining rankings of candidates for anything. The problem is Arrow's impossibility theorem, which says that there is no fair way to rank a list that is longer than two choices.

On another issue, Utica fans might be interested in the rankings that will appear on another site later today...

But had Ken understood the Matt's function (AKA f(x)=Matt) and imbibed in a little of Utica's best, he would have known the only way to fairly rank a list that is longer than two choices is to put Utica first.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

I think Josh Carey, Webb and maybe Russell were the only pollsters to put their polls out there.

I never did. I sometimes mentioned where I voted particular teams, but never published my entire poll.

Josh always did, and even explained why he voted the way he did. I believe Webb also published his poll when he did a column for USCHO.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Somehow this seems it might be tied to the new payroll witholdings.....Yes, you are making 2% more money with your 2013 new year's raise, but you net stays the same, and you should count your self lucky that it did not go down as it did for many folks.

Or, you could work for a company which didn't give any raises and then charged you more for medical insurance. Thus, in essence, you are now paying a fee for the privilege of working there.

[Wait, did I say that outloud?]

 

[NUProf]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Or, you could work for a company which didn't give any raises and then charged you more for medical insurance. Thus, in essence, you are now paying a fee for the privilege of working there.

[Wait, did I say that outloud?]

Funny thing about that - the Social Security Administration did the same thing with Medicare Part B, except that they gave everybody a COLA that was eaten up by the Part B increase.

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

As a wise man once said about DI transfers to DIII "There's a reason why. Either they're not good enough or they're more trouble than they're worth.....or both". That said, Plattsburgh has done OK with DI transfers in recent years. Our current goalie, Paul Kelly (BC), CJ Tozzo (NIagra) were good players for us. Others who came in, not so much.

Interesting comment... I've always wondered how D-3 coaches choose to recruit certain players who may be on the D-1 bubble.

Talking to some D-3 hockey parents lately, I've learned that their sons were offered walk-on tryouts, or even partial scholarships at the D-1 level, but at low-level teams such as Holy Cross and Sacred Heart... Their sons (reasonably) opted to play regularly in front of more than 150 fans at a good D-3 school than to risk spending most nights as healthy-scratches at a D-1 school that nobody cares about.

Not saying that the above is gospel, but it makes sense to me.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Interesting comment... I've always wondered how D-3 coaches choose to recruit certain players who may be on the D-1 bubble.

Talking to some D-3 hockey parents lately, I've learned that their sons were offered walk-on tryouts, or even partial scholarships at the D-1 level, but at low-level teams such as Holy Cross and Sacred Heart... Their sons (reasonably) opted to play regularly in front of more than 150 fans at a good D-3 school than to risk spending most nights as healthy-scratches at a D-1 school that nobody cares about.

Not saying that the above is gospel, but it makes sense to me.

Been that way for years.

 

[OSU2010]

As a wise man once said about DI transfers to DIII "There's a reason why. Either they're not good enough or they're more trouble than they're worth.....or both"

Or they decided to change majors and the school they're at doesn't offer their major, or they want to be closer to home

 

[bakdraft21]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Interesting comment... I've always wondered how D-3 coaches choose to recruit certain players who may be on the D-1 bubble.

Talking to some D-3 hockey parents lately, I've learned that their sons were offered walk-on tryouts, or even partial scholarships at the D-1 level, but at low-level teams such as Holy Cross and Sacred Heart... Their sons (reasonably) opted to play regularly in front of more than 150 fans at a good D-3 school than to risk spending most nights as healthy-scratches at a D-1 school that nobody cares about.

Not saying that the above is gospel, but it makes sense to me.

Pretty funny just checked the Sacred heart rosters and THEY have 3 d1 transfers...I know Oswego has had a few D1 guys on the roster the past few yrs and they have been pretty good..never know what ya gonna get...also looked at AIC's attendance,wow they had like 65 at the last game...after doing the discount double check AIC averages 143/game

 

[pete99race]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Interesting comment... I've always wondered how D-3 coaches choose to recruit certain players who may be on the D-1 bubble.

Talking to some D-3 hockey parents lately, I've learned that their sons were offered walk-on tryouts, or even partial scholarships at the D-1 level, but at low-level teams such as Holy Cross and Sacred Heart... Their sons (reasonably) opted to play regularly in front of more than 150 fans at a good D-3 school than to risk spending most nights as healthy-scratches at a D-1 school that nobody cares about.

Not saying that the above is gospel, but it makes sense to me.

Very True.
One of St Norbert's top forwards was committed to Sacred Heart, but changed his mind at the last minute and came to De Pere....good decision on his part!!

 

[bakdraft21]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Very True.
One of St Norbert's top forwards was committed to Sacred Heart, but changed his mind at the last minute and came to De Pere....good decision on his part!!

good decision for SNC not the rest of D3....selfish I say

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Very True.
One of St Norbert's top forwards was committed to Sacred Heart, but changed his mind at the last minute and came to De Pere....good decision on his part!!

It probably was, from what I've gathered...

The two D-1 recruits I know that are now (relative) D-3 stand-outs never got a sniff of the ice in D-1, even on bad teams.

I have no idea where the "cliff" is, but it apparently exists, at least in someone's mind.