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January 21st Poll Speculations

Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

So let me get this straight. Oswego moves up to #4 in the poll this week after beating Cortland St. of all teams, and Utica sweeps their weekend games, beats Hobart (Who was ranked third this past weekend) both games were on the road even for the Pioneers and they move Oswego up a spot and don't touch Utica once again this week. Huh?

Oswego is ranked too high. They're not as good as their record shows, IMO.

Once again, simply unbelievable. :rolleyes:
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

elbojpb said:
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January 21, 2013
 Team (First Place Votes) Record Points Last Poll 
1 Norwich (11) 14- 2-0 289 2 
2 St. Norbert ( 5) 15- 3-1 275 1 
3 Bowdoin ( 3) 15- 1-1 260 4 
4 Oswego  15- 3-0 219 5 
5 Hobart  14- 2-2 212 3 
6 Wisconsin-Eau Claire ( 1) 14- 3-2 206 6 
7 Adrian  14- 1-2 185 7 
8 Utica  14- 3-0 182 8 
9 Plattsburgh  12- 5-1 132 9 
10 Amherst  10- 4-2 116 10 
11 Manhattanville  11- 5-1 69 11 
12 Williams  9- 4-2 51 12 
13 Massachusetts-Boston  13- 3-1 42 15 
14 Babson  10- 4-3 41 14 
15 Milwaukee School of Engineering  11- 5-1 32 NR 
15 Neumann  11- 4-2 32 NR 
Others receiving votes: Wisconsin-Superior 17, Wisconsin-Stevens Point 13, Geneseo 12, Wisconsin-Stout 8, Castleton 4, Plymouth State 2, Trinity 1. 


Read more: http://www.uscho.com/rankings/#ixzz2IdWBchNo
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This gets more and more comical every week.
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

It does seem a little odd that Oswego moves up with fairly simple win against a team (Cortland) that has a dismal past against them and Utica remains in place after a fairly impressive road victory. For some reason it appears as though the one's who vote are not sold on Utica?
I think Oswego was experiencing some type of slump while Whitelaw was out, but now seem to be rolling again. However, it's tough to rank them ahead of Utica at this point no matter what criteria you use. It could be a combination of one team being overrated and one team being underrated. Can anyone attest to the ranking of Eau Claire or Adrian. I've not seen Eau Claire and just bits and pieces of Adrian. Adrian looked no better than Geneseo to me.
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Pioneers#1 said:
So let me get this straight. Oswego moves up to #4 in the poll this week after beating Cortland St. of all teams, and Utica sweeps their weekend games, beats Hobart (Who was ranked third this past weekend) both games were on the road even for the Pioneers and they move Oswego up a spot and don't touch Utica once again this week. Huh?

Oswego is ranked too high. They're not as good as their record shows, IMO.

Once again, simply unbelievable. :rolleyes:
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Utica's points (by vote rankings) increased by 27%. Oswego's dropped.
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Pioneers#1 said:
So let me get this straight. Oswego moves up to #4 in the poll this week after beating Cortland St. of all teams, and Utica sweeps their weekend games, beats Hobart (Who was ranked third this past weekend) both games were on the road even for the Pioneers and they move Oswego up a spot and don't touch Utica once again this week. Huh?

Oswego is ranked too high. They're not as good as their record shows, IMO.

Once again, simply unbelievable. :rolleyes:
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You do have a good point.
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Pioneers#1 said:
So let me get this straight. Oswego moves up to #4 in the poll this week after beating Cortland St. of all teams, and Utica sweeps their weekend games, beats Hobart (Who was ranked third this past weekend) both games were on the road even for the Pioneers and they move Oswego up a spot and don't touch Utica once again this week. Huh?

Oswego is ranked too high. They're not as good as their record shows, IMO.

Once again, simply unbelievable. :rolleyes:
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sshablak said:
It's so absurd....who cares anymore ?????
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I can understand Utica followers' distain for the USCHO Poll particularly for the fact that they beat Oswego twice.
I certainly would sympathize with their argument on this one....HOWEVER..... the following National "team" stats may be the reason some pollsters continue to favour Oswego.

Team Offense (Rk) (#2) Oz 5.11 GPG (#4) Utica 4.88 GPG
Team Defense (Rk) (#6) OZ 1.83 GAA (#16) Utica 2.29 GAA
Power Play (Rk) (#8) Oz 26.0 % (#28) Utica 21.2%
Penalty Kill (Rk) (#21)Oz 84.9 % ( #5) Utica 89.2 %
 
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Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Meanwhile, over at D3Hockey:

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# 	School (1st votes) 	Rec 	Pts 	Prev.
1 	Norwich (9) 		14-2 	283 	3
2 	St. Norbert (6) 	15-3-1 	274 	1
3 	Bowdoin (3) 		15-1-1 	263 	4
4 	Utica (1) 		14-3 	227 	6
5 	Hobart (1) 		14-2-2 	222 	2
6 	Oswego State 		15-3 	215 	5
7 	UW-Eau Claire 		14-3-2 	180 	8
8 	Adrian 			14-1-2 	161 	7
9 	Plattsburgh State 	12-5-1 	114 	10
10 	Neumann 		11-4-2 	101 	15
11 	Amherst 		10-4-2 	95 	9
12 	Babson 			10-4-3 	60 	11
13 	Manhattanville 		11-5-1 	56 	13
14 	Mass-Boston 		13-3-1 	38 	NR
15 	Geneseo State 		12-5-1 	34 	NR
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

Dyce said:
Meanwhile, over at D3Hockey:

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# 	School (1st votes) 	Rec 	Pts 	Prev.
1 	Norwich (9) 		14-2 	283 	3
2 	St. Norbert (6) 	15-3-1 	274 	1
3 	Bowdoin (3) 		15-1-1 	263 	4
4 	Utica (1) 		14-3 	227 	6
5 	Hobart (1) 		14-2-2 	222 	2
6 	Oswego State 		15-3 	215 	5
7 	UW-Eau Claire 		14-3-2 	180 	8
8 	Adrian 			14-1-2 	161 	7
9 	Plattsburgh State 	12-5-1 	114 	10
10 	Neumann 		11-4-2 	101 	15
11 	Amherst 		10-4-2 	95 	9
12 	Babson 			10-4-3 	60 	11
13 	Manhattanville 		11-5-1 	56 	13
14 	Mass-Boston 		13-3-1 	38 	NR
15 	Geneseo State 		12-5-1 	34 	NR
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I like this one better. :)
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

NorthernLite said:
I can understand Utica followers' distain for the USCHO Poll particularly for the fact that they beat Oswego twice.
I certainly would sympathize with their argument on this one....HOWEVER..... the following National "team" stats may be the reason some pollsters continue to favour Oswego.

Team Offense (Rk) (#2) Oz 5.11 GPG (#4) Utica 4.88 GPG
Team Defense (Rk) (#6) OZ 1.83 GAA (#16) Utica 2.29 GAA
Power Play (Rk) (#8) Oz 26.0 % (#28) Utica 21.2%
Penalty Kill (Rk) (#21)Oz 84.9 % ( #5) Utica 89.2 %
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Okay I can see what you're saying, but when it comes down to it, whose won and whose lost against what teams, yknow?

Yes, The USCHO.com poll is so comical at this point, who cares. I'm just pointing these things out folks, I understand it's pointless at this point to argue etc.. about it.

D3hockey.com poll is where it's at, not necessarily because of where they have been ranking Utica but because of where they put other teams surrounding Utica in the poll.
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

NorthernLite said:
I can understand Utica followers' distain for the USCHO Poll particularly for the fact that they beat Oswego twice.
I certainly would sympathize with their argument on this one....HOWEVER..... the following National "team" stats may be the reason some pollsters continue to favour Oswego.

Team Offense (Rk) (#2) Oz 5.11 GPG (#4) Utica 4.88 GPG
Team Defense (Rk) (#6) OZ 1.83 GAA (#16) Utica 2.29 GAA
Power Play (Rk) (#8) Oz 26.0 % (#28) Utica 21.2%
Penalty Kill (Rk) (#21)Oz 84.9 % ( #5) Utica 89.2 %
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If you are going to go to those stats, one should also consider this one:
SOS (Rk) (#9) Oz 171.0 (#2) Utica 208.1


I understand you said may and are trying to explain all this to some of us, but isn't all this why they play the games?
 
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We can have this argument all day. Everyone thinks their team should be ranked higher than they are. Who really cares about the polls? Only one poll matters, and the first one comes out next month. Utica beat Hobart and Oswego twice. Those are great wins. You also lost to Cortland and Elmira. Tell you what. Keep winning, win your conference tourney, get into the NCAA's and win there. That will shut everyone up, including the guys who vote for the polls.
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

UCBadger said:
If you are going to go to those stats, one should also consider this one:
SOS (Rk) (#9) Oz 171.0 (#2) Utica 208.1


I understand you said may and are trying to explain all this to some of us, but isn't all this why they play the games?
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I was trying to find any data that might substantiate the results in this poll.
The USCHO poll has inherent flaws that aren't as prevalent in the D3hockey poll.

Nevertheless, the discussions that these polls generate seem to attract wider interest than most threads on this forum.
 
Re: January 21st Poll Speculations

admiral0417 said:
It does seem a little odd that Oswego moves up with fairly simple win against a team (Cortland) that has a dismal past against them and Utica remains in place after a fairly impressive road victory. For some reason it appears as though the one's who vote are not sold on Utica?
I think Oswego was experiencing some type of slump while Whitelaw was out, but now seem to be rolling again. However, it's tough to rank them ahead of Utica at this point no matter what criteria you use. It could be a combination of one team being overrated and one team being underrated. Can anyone attest to the ranking of Eau Claire or Adrian. I've not seen Eau Claire and just bits and pieces of Adrian. Adrian looked no better than Geneseo to me.
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all I can gather about Eau Claire is that if that get 1 more D1 transfer they will have to, by rule, move up to D1:p, and thats coming from a Oz fan
 
Pioneers#1 said:
Okay I can see what you're saying, but when it comes down to it, whose won and whose lost against what teams
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I personally do not have a problem with either poll, a case can be made each way. It is not a conspiracy that puts Utica 8th or behind Oswego. A reasonable person can look at their body of work and see they are the ONLY top level team to lose to 2 teams with losing records, to some people that may be the difference. On the flip side, nobody in the country has more (quantity) impressive wins than Utica. That right there merits them being in the discussion as a top 5 team.

On another note, one thing I have noticed is Utica is finally showing the ability to win on the road (Cortland aside, they are still 5-2 away from home), something they have not done consistently over the last few years. I think this is the year they close the deal and make the tourney.
 
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