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Irish Hockey: Straight Inta Compton

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streaker said:
Funny, they can get excited for football... but not hockey?
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Clearly you have never been to a Notre Dame football game. While somewhat section dependent, it's often not dissimilar from an afternoon at a retirement home. I was once told that I needed to sit down and stop cheering so loud by a gentlemen sitting in FRONT of me.
 
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MUhawks628 said:
Clearly you have never been to a Notre Dame football game. While somewhat section dependent, it's often not dissimilar from an afternoon at a retirement home. I was once told that I needed to sit down and stop cheering so loud by a gentlemen sitting in FRONT of me.
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That's no different than at the Big House. Use to have season tix surrounded by Old Blues and Regents.

Sure makes me glad that, even with the warts, we have the atmosphere at Yost.
 
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When they added 20,000 seats to Notre Dame Stadium somehow they made the place quieter. Over 2000 additional bodies for hockey games and it seems as if they've accomplished something similar. The Compton was dead last night. The students were pathetic. Odd after a good win on Friday and the campus buzzing with a win over an undefeated and number 1 Syracuse. I'll say it, our crowd sucks as often as not. Not what I expected, at least not in the first year in the new place and certainly not against Michigan. Notre Dame went out of their way to ensure a great schedule the first season in the new place, securing home games against BU and BC, and playing all scheduled games against MSU and UM at home for the first time in forever. The team has competed hard in all but one game. There isn't any reason for people to not be excited about the team or the building. Notre Dame even goes a little overboard (IMO) with artificial attempts at getting the crowd pumped, something that I am in the minority in 2012 in hating. It's one thing to see a lifeless crowd when it's 3-0 three shots in or 6-0 midway through against Northeastern. It's entirely another to see the same thing against a rival like Michigan in a game that was almost as close as it could be for all but about 2 minutes of the game.
 
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I suspect this has been discussed before, but isn't it ultimately a cultural thing: the general quietness or disinterest in hockey among many Americans? Americans just don't grow up in a hockey culture. Their high schools don't have hockey teams; there dad's don't take them to the local arena and put them on a pee-wee team; their community doesn't have an ice arena anyway; learning to ice skate can be difficult for some. Hockey culture, in some ways, is like soccer culture; there is, among some, a general disdain or disinterest in either sport.

Hockey is a "niche" sport and I'm glad that long ago my Swedish father put me on a pair of old wide-blade strap-on Swedish skates and took me ice-skating on a local frozen lake. I'm glad that my high-school had a club and then varsity hockey team. I'm glad that I went to NMU right at the beginning of their program, which generated interest in college hockey within me to this day. I root for NMU, but I'm glad that I can watch Notre Dame hockey or UoM hockey or Sacred Heart or UAH hockey, because I love and enjoy college hockey. I don't care whether the monied ND alums or the Old Blues at UoM like hockey or not--I just hope that one or two of them cares to fund it every once in a while.

So, keep trying to create as much hockey culture as you can. It works one person at a time.

Lets GO Wildcats!

Go Irish!

Go Blue! (cringe)
 
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aygwm2 said:
I suspect this has been discussed before, but isn't it ultimately a cultural thing: the general quietness or disinterest in hockey among many Americans? Americans just don't grow up in a hockey culture. Their high schools don't have hockey teams; there dad's don't take them to the local arena and put them on a pee-wee team; their community doesn't have an ice arena anyway; learning to ice skate can be difficult for some. Hockey culture, in some ways, is like soccer culture; there is, among some, a general disdain or disinterest in either sport.

Hockey is a "niche" sport and I'm glad that long ago my Swedish father put me on a pair of old wide-blade strap-on Swedish skates and took me ice-skating on a local frozen lake. I'm glad that my high-school had a club and then varsity hockey team. I'm glad that I went to NMU right at the beginning of their program, which generated interest in college hockey within me to this day. I root for NMU, but I'm glad that I can watch Notre Dame hockey or UoM hockey or Sacred Heart or UAH hockey, because I love and enjoy college hockey. I don't care whether the monied ND alums or the Old Blues at UoM like hockey or not--I just hope that one or two of them cares to fund it every once in a while.

So, keep trying to create as much hockey culture as you can. It works one person at a time.

Lets GO Wildcats!

Go Irish!

Go Blue! (cringe)
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I don't think that is the case in the Midwest. Border states like Minnesota and Michigan are steeped in hockey from the amateurs all the way to the NHL. There are no better fans then in these areas stretching along the Canadian border into NY and the East coast.

If you were referring to the West/SW or south... I would agree... but even those areas are producing talent now... and a good hockey following.

Americans in general support their national teams regardless of sport. But it is hard to compare hockey to other popular sports here. It is also hard to compare the following here compared to other countries such as Canada or the Nordic/Eastern Euro countries.

I think the issue is mutually exclusive though to Notre Dame's fan behavior. it's not really indicative to how other areas of the country or other schools embrace the sport and cheer.
 
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aygwm2 said:
I suspect this has been discussed before, but isn't it ultimately a cultural thing: the general quietness or disinterest in hockey among many Americans? Americans just don't grow up in a hockey culture. Their high schools don't have hockey teams; there dad's don't take them to the local arena and put them on a pee-wee team; their community doesn't have an ice arena anyway; learning to ice skate can be difficult for some. Hockey culture, in some ways, is like soccer culture; there is, among some, a general disdain or disinterest in either sport.

Hockey is a "niche" sport and I'm glad that long ago my Swedish father put me on a pair of old wide-blade strap-on Swedish skates and took me ice-skating on a local frozen lake. I'm glad that my high-school had a club and then varsity hockey team. I'm glad that I went to NMU right at the beginning of their program, which generated interest in college hockey within me to this day. I root for NMU, but I'm glad that I can watch Notre Dame hockey or UoM hockey or Sacred Heart or UAH hockey, because I love and enjoy college hockey. I don't care whether the monied ND alums or the Old Blues at UoM like hockey or not--I just hope that one or two of them cares to fund it every once in a while.

So, keep trying to create as much hockey culture as you can. It works one person at a time.

Lets GO Wildcats!

Go Irish!

Go Blue! (cringe)
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streaker said:
I don't think that is the case in the Midwest. Border states like Minnesota and Michigan are steeped in hockey from the amateurs all the way to the NHL. There are no better fans then in these areas stretching along the Canadian border into NY and the East coast.

If you were referring to the West/SW or south... I would agree... but even those areas are producing talent now... and a good hockey following.

Americans in general support their national teams regardless of sport. But it is hard to compare hockey to other popular sports here. It is also hard to compare the following here compared to other countries such as Canada or the Nordic/Eastern Euro countries.

I think the issue is mutually exclusive though to Notre Dame's fan behavior. it's not really indicative to how other areas of the country or other schools embrace the sport and cheer.
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Most anything that I would say on this matter is anecdotal. I think I was speaking in generalities in my post for the most part.

Take the office where I work, an office of about 75-80 people. Even among the men, hockey is not much of an interest or priority--in the winter it's b-ball. There are about five of us who follow college hockey and I don't really know how many of those 80 people care about the Red Wings. I just know that Red Wing talk and say Tiger talk or Pistons talk or M b-ball or State b-ball are not even on the same planet.

Getting back to Notre Dame hockey: that university is a probably quite a different animal than most public universities with hockey programs or even Boston College which is in a city steeped in hockey tradition. This is all guess work, but I would think NDs student body is a lot different from say the state universities of Michigan and Minnesota or most eastern seaboard hockey schools. How many of those students are from the state of Indiana? How many are from Catholic high schools all over the US and didn't grow up with hockey or an interest in hockey? Even at UoM, with their large student section at Yost most every game, how many of the 30K+/- student body actually care a whit about the hockey team? How many of the 10K+/- care at ND?

I still thinks it's a hockey culture thing. And, of course, I have nothing with which to back up my opinions.
 
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Thanks JJFP for making my point much more articulately than I did. Traditionally the crowds and season ticket holders at the Joyce were townies who were just regular hard working joes. I'm noticing a new clientale for NDHockey now. They are the "respectable" folks, ND alumni, business set, government officials. Respectable folk don't hoot and hollar, it just not seemly. I was hoping these people would be self contained in O'Brien's but I suspect they are becoming a critical mass in the lower bowl.

While the students were not at their best last night, I'll give them a pass as the student body was probably split between hockey and basketball. In fact I was surprised the student section was relatively full at the opening faceoff.

I've known one of the head honchos in the building I work in for many years. All of the sudden he starts talking N D hockey in the hallways this year, telling me how he got tickets for the Boston game. While it's great we are expanding the fan base, he will never let loose with a loud hoot for the Irish. You see he is one of the respectable ones who wouldn't dare be caught cheering too hard in public.

Going forward I'm really concerned if ND decides to jack up the ticket prices as I assume will be coming. They'll just drive even more of the diehards out to be replaced with our football fans. Who knew we were trading the ACC for the NHL'S equivalent of the ACC (Air Canada Centre) and the wine and cheese crowd.

Sorry for the rant but I been getting more and more frustrated with this trend this season and last night was one of the worst of the season. And against Meeeeeeechigan.
 
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PS: Congrats to JJFP for being the fan of the game last night. They definitely got that right last night.

One last point then I'll shut up. My son just became old enough to ride the zamboni at intermission. When I went to sign up for a chance to ride, I was told that it is being sponsered now and you have to sign up at the sponser's store. Please ND don't allow hockey to go down the football path.
 
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ND1 said:
Thanks JJFP for making my point much more articulately than I did. Traditionally the crowds and season ticket holders at the Joyce were townies who were just regular hard working joes. I'm noticing a new clientale for NDHockey now. They are the "respectable" folks, ND alumni, business set, government officials. Respectable folk don't hoot and hollar, it just not seemly. I was hoping these people would be self contained in O'Brien's but I suspect they are becoming a critical mass in the lower bowl.
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But you just articulated it PERFECTLY right here! You need no assistance from me.

And like a 12-pack of Mountain Dew, I don't care how expensive season tickets may get, I'll pay it.

BTW, do we know each other?

Oh--IHF, I owe you a Guinness. Only one though.
 
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I didn't think the crowd was horrible last night. The student section was more boisterous on Friday because hockey was the only thing going, so there was a packed crowd, and the game was so chippy at the beginning which got a lot of the kids fired up :rolleyes:. Even though ND is a great school with a great hockey program, it still isn't a "hockey school". A lot of the kids in attendance don't know much of anything about the game, but I can hope that they have a good time and some of them want to come back and will get more invested in the program. The Saturday game was a little lethargic at times which does nothing to get the crowd involved. It would be nice if the fans were a little more invested in the action, but at this point I am just happy that the new barn with the expanded seating is fairly full for most games. I admit that when so much of the game is spent cringing over missed passes and watching 50% of PP time spent chasing the puck down out of your own end, I'm not so "rah rah" myself. Here's hoping for a good effort in Fairbanks.
 
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Has it occurred to anyone else that the reason we have a fairly small group here is that there is a lot of "intelligent" discussion going on, and very little silly stuff? For which I thank each and everyone of you!
 
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Third Family Member said:
Has it occurred to anyone else that the reason we have a fairly small group here is that there is a lot of "intelligent" discussion going on, and very little silly stuff? For which I thank each and everyone of you!
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Ironic that you should post this as I have been debating whether or not to post my thoughts in response to the recent revelation that Notre Dame students ranked South Bend the "lamest college town." But, alas, there are no ND students who post here; hence, your "intelligent discussion" comment. It's a wonder I root for the hockey team because every time I turn around the student body or the administration does something else to make me want to rip that silver spoon out of their collective mouths and shove it...

Should you feel like it, you can read the article and my ensuing comment.
 
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Well, it's homestretch time. 10 games left. 1st through 10th is up for grabs in the league. However, I fear 4-6th is ND's fate. Fourth place would be acceptable. Sixth would be disappointing given the talent on this team and the seems-like-so-long-ago 11 game unbeaten streak.

ND has already left for the nether reaches of this country. The high in Fairbanks for Friday and Saturday is supposed to be about -26. Maybe the cold will do Notre Dame some good...

Since there are 10 games left for the Irish, I thought I would look back at the last 10 games for ND and UA(F) and see how each team has fared. ND is 4-6 in their last 10. UA(F) is 4-4-2. The 2 ties were shootout wins for Alaska. In that span, ND is 16.1% on the PP and a rotten 78.3% on the PK. They are averaging 2.4 GF and 3 GA. UA(F) has gone 20.4% on the PP and 86.4% on the PK. They are averaging 2.6 GF and 2.5 GA. In that span, both teams have played tough, ranked opponents. Suddenly, worry takes hold.

Oddly enough, both teams are led by 2 sophomores in scoring. This class of college players ought to make a big noise in the pros if college is any indication. T.J. Tynan has 33 points and 5 PPG's for ND. Cody Kunyk has 20 points and 4 PPG's for Alaska. I assume Mike Johnson may play Saturday, but I also wonder if Coach Jackson hasn't told Steven Summerhays, "If you win Friday, you play Saturday." Johnson has a save % of .887 and a GA of 2.63. Summerhays has a save % of .903 and a GA of 2.5. Scott Greenham should start both nights for Alaska. He's also got a save % of .903 and a GA of 2.45.

Mark Twain once quipped, "Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest."
 
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Question: what time (EST) will the Notre Dame v Alaska begin. I've been to three different sites and literally got three different answers. Thanks.
 
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NotreDameFan27 said:
Question: what time (EST) will the Notre Dame v Alaska begin. I've been to three different sites and literally got three different answers. Thanks.
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11:05 EST (7:05 Alaska time) for both nights. Forecast temp at puck drop Friday: -40˚ F.
 
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So what was more sincere, the original off the cuff remarks or the statement of apology?
 
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IrishHockeyFan said:
So what was more sincere, the original off the cuff remarks or the statement of apology?
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I vote for the cuff. Why do people who speak their minds (while not being nasty or vulgar) always feel the need to apologize in today's world? Take the fine or the suspension.
 
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