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Imagining League Realignment

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Red Cloud said:
How many times does it have to be said that Hockey East WANTS Notre Dame? That's not something that needs to be questioned any more, it's well established.
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Hate to agree with The Cloud, but I can't imagine why HE wouldn't want Notre Dame either. Before all this craziness happened I too didn't envision the league changing, but when as a conference you have an opportunity like this you grab it. As far as a 12th team goes I have no idea. CT would be a good fit if they upgraded the facilities. Until then I'd rather not take a team that's an afterthought to its own school.
 
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Rover said:
Hate to agree with The Cloud, but I can't imagine why HE wouldn't want Notre Dame either. Before all this craziness happened I too didn't envision the league changing, but when as a conference you have an opportunity like this you grab it. As far as a 12th team goes I have no idea. CT would be a good fit if they upgraded the facilities. Until then I'd rather not take a team that's an afterthought to its own school.
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This is a nice slippery slope to me...I see HEA adding Notre Dame and someone else to get to 12 and then I see 6-8 of the HEA teams splitting off like what happen out west.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
This is a nice slippery slope to me...I see HEA adding Notre Dame and someone else to get to 12 and then I see 6-8 of the HEA teams splitting off like what happen out west.
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Agreed. Notre Dame joining does make that possible. Its like all these AD's woke up at the same time to the concept that they can make money on college hockey.
 
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Here are some recent population figures for some metro areas in which schools are located (or close by) which might be interested in joining an eastern super league. My guess is that size of potential market may be just as important to the tv guys who could be dangling the dollars as traditional rivalries and size of student or alumni body or some other measure of fan base.


Albany-Schenectady-Troy, NY 857,592
Binghamton, NY 244,694
Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 4,588,680
Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT 901,208
Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 1,123,804
Burlington-South Burlington, VT 208,055
Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI 9,580,567
Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 2,091,286
Erie, PA 280,291
Glens Falls, NY 128,774
Hartford-W Hartford-E Hartford, CT 1,195,998
Ithaca, NY 101,779
Manchester-Nashua, NH 405,906
New Haven-Milford, CT 848,006
New York-Northern NJ -LI -NJ-PA 19,069,796
Norwich-New London, CT 266,830
Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 5,968,252
Pittsburgh, PA 2,354,957
Pittsfield, MA 129,288
Portland-South Portland-Biddeford, ME 516,826
Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA 1,600,642
Rochester, NY 1,035,566
Springfield, MA 698,903
Syracuse, NY 646,084
Utica-Rome, NY 293,280
Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 5,476,241
Worcester, MA 803,701
 
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Rover said:
Agreed. Notre Dame joining does make that possible. Its like all these AD's woke up at the same time to the concept that they can make money on college hockey.
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Its so obvious! Why didn't we add DU while we had the chance! Get that killer Denver market and the killer South Bend market!
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
What would be actual news is if the Gophers made some of these away games. I can't wait to see how the B1G responds to that. :eek:
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Motzco says “The details will all be worked out, but there will be games in our building and in their building (in the series).” I don't know how you read that, but it sure looks to me like the Gophers will play road games for some of these games.
 
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goldy_331 said:
Motzco says “The details will all be worked out, but there will be games in our building and in their building (in the series).” I don't know how you read that, but it sure looks to me like the Gophers will play road games for some of these games.
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Wow, I didn't see that. Forgive me, but it's summer, and I don't exactly read good around that time. (Grammar pun intended.)
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Wow, I didn't see that. Forgive me, but it's summer, and I don't exactly read good around that time. (Grammar pun intended.)
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I have been saying that for sometime. The Gophers will play all the Minnesota schools every year and it might include potential upstart Minnesota State-Moorhead. IMO, it just makes sense.
 
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It looks like the Gophers will use 10(Including MN-Mo) of their potential non conference games on Minnesota schools. My guess is they keep the Mariucci classic for teams like the ECAC, HE, CCHA and AHA. IMO, it will be interesting what the Gophers do with their last two games. Outside of UMD I just don't see many of the schools in the BHHC on the Gophers schedule. So long UND, DU, CC rivalry we will see you once or twice a decade. Sad.
 
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4four4 said:
I have been saying that for sometime. The Gophers will play all the Minnesota schools every year and it might include potential upstart Minnesota State-Moorhead. IMO, it just makes sense.
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I'm sure it goes back to the Minnesota mentality. From http://coolbythelake.com/?p=2679 Former Bulldogs and Michigan Tech men’s hockey head coach Mike Sertich on the new National Collegiate Hockey Conference: “I was a bit taken by the move. While I understand the reasoning, I feel for those that were left behind. We asked so much of some these programs to join the league and now it appears that we abandoned them. I hope that we grow hockey with this move and that some of these programs do not die. Have we forgotten St. Louis, Kent State, Ill-Chicago? John Marriucci told me a long time ago, ‘Don’t forget about the emerging programs.’ I wonder what he would say today?”
Don Lucia and Minnesota feel they need to help them and support college hockey in Minnesota.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I'm sure it goes back to the Minnesota mentality. From http://coolbythelake.com/?p=2679 Former Bulldogs and Michigan Tech men’s hockey head coach Mike Sertich on the new National Collegiate Hockey Conference: “I was a bit taken by the move. While I understand the reasoning, I feel for those that were left behind. We asked so much of some these programs to join the league and now it appears that we abandoned them. I hope that we grow hockey with this move and that some of these programs do not die. Have we forgotten St. Louis, Kent State, Ill-Chicago? John Marriucci told me a long time ago, ‘Don’t forget about the emerging programs.’ I wonder what he would say today?”
Don Lucia and Minnesota feel they need to help them and support college hockey in Minnesota.
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I saw that in another thread. Good quote. The Gophers will play every Minnesota school every year. Awesome!
 
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4four4 said:
It looks like the Gophers will use 10(Including MN-Mo) of their potential non conference games on Minnesota schools. My guess is they keep the Mariucci classic for teams like the ECAC, HE, CCHA and AHA. IMO, it will be interesting what the Gophers do with their last two games. Outside of UMD I just don't see many of the schools in the BHHC on the Gophers schedule. So long UND, DU, CC rivalry we will see you once or twice a decade. Sad.
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I don't know if I can see Minnesota using 10 games a year on Minnesota schools. I guess I could see 2 games in the Minny tournament, 2 games against the teams left over, a 2 game series at marriucci for 1 of the teams in the tournament and 1 game at the other 2 teams in the tournament. so thats 8 total. I guess I am excluding Moorhead then. Who knows how this all works out.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I don't know if I can see Minnesota using 10 games a year on Minnesota schools. I guess I could see 2 games in the Minny tournament, 2 games against the teams left over, a 2 game series at marriucci for 1 of the teams in the tournament and 1 game at the other 2 teams in the tournament. so thats 8 total. I guess I am excluding Moorhead then. Who knows how this all works out.
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This is what I think will happen. A.) 20 BiG B.) 6 MN WCHA, 8 if MSU-Mo C.) 2 UMD D.) 2 Mariucci Classic E.) 2 Dairy Queen Cup F.) 2 NC Imo, it all changes if MSU-Mo joins the icebox.
 
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4four4 said:
This is what I think will happen. A.) 20 BiG B.) 6 MN WCHA, 8 if MSU-Mo C.) 2 UMD D.) 2 Mariucci Classic E.) 2 Dairy Queen Cup F.) 2 NC Imo, it all changes if MSU-Mo joins the icebox.
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Hmm, I wonder if the left out Minny team would be invited to the Classic each year.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
But they can't offer scholarships so they probably deserve that tag.
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I don't follow... How does "no scholarships" = "small" and "scholarships" = "large"? There's no necessary correlation between the two in all cases. There are very small schools that offer scholarships (i.e. Merrimack, LSSU, St. Lawrence) and mid-sized to large schools that do not (i.e. Ivy Leagues, RIT). I would accept the tag of "unknown", "unheralded", "unfamiliar", "mid-major" or something of that ilk for RIT. But "small" is incorrect. RIT enrolls 17,000+ students. Whether or not they offer athletic scholarships is irrelevant. We are not a small school.
 
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4four4 said:
This is what I think will happen. A.) 20 BiG B.) 6 MN WCHA, 8 if MSU-Mo C.) 2 UMD D.) 2 Mariucci Classic E.) 2 Dairy Queen Cup F.) 2 NC Imo, it all changes if MSU-Mo joins the icebox.
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I think you're going to see UND and the Goofs playing in hockey... They Gophers are all about making money and they are going to want to stuff their arena full of fans.
 
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