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Illinois is broke(n) ...
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FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Illinois is broke
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What the hell does this mean? I see it from time to time, and I'm sure it means something precise for locals. I assume it is geographic? It seems to be something like "Inland Empire."
Edit: google has many contradictory maps. Here's one.
I guess the first question is, is Milwaukee in Chicagoland?
...What the hell does this mean? I see it from time to time, and I'm sure it means something precise for locals. I assume it is geographic? It seems to be something like "Inland Empire."
Edit: google has many contradictory maps. Here's one.
I guess the first question is, is Milwaukee in Chicagoland?
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St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Illinois is broke ...
The idea of that map is on track, but I'd say the area being claimed is a bit large.
...The idea of that map is on track, but I'd say the area being claimed is a bit large.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Illinois is broke ...
It's a way to refer to the region and its suburbs and influence.
I'm not sure if Milwaukee is part of Chicagoland (the 'sconnies may be insulted); however, last time I drove Milwaukee to Chicago it felt like I never left a city.
DFW is "the metroplex".
Minneapolis + St. Paul is "the seven county metro".
Miami is now "Miami Dade" because city and county blur.
Heck, if I say "the beltway" you know exactly what metropolitan area to which I refer.
...It's a way to refer to the region and its suburbs and influence.
I'm not sure if Milwaukee is part of Chicagoland (the 'sconnies may be insulted); however, last time I drove Milwaukee to Chicago it felt like I never left a city.
DFW is "the metroplex".
Minneapolis + St. Paul is "the seven county metro".
Miami is now "Miami Dade" because city and county blur.
Heck, if I say "the beltway" you know exactly what metropolitan area to which I refer.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Illinois is broke ...
Sure, though it's also an exact area -- it's literally the area inside the DC beltway.
I wasn't sure whether Chicagoland was a superset or a subset of Chicago. Evidently, it's a superset, though there is disagreement of what constitutes it. "The City" is similar in NY. If you're from Manhattan it's Manhattan, if you're from the outer boroughs it's the five boroughs, but I've met people from Nassau County and NJ who mean the entire SMSA.
...Sure, though it's also an exact area -- it's literally the area inside the DC beltway.
I wasn't sure whether Chicagoland was a superset or a subset of Chicago. Evidently, it's a superset, though there is disagreement of what constitutes it. "The City" is similar in NY. If you're from Manhattan it's Manhattan, if you're from the outer boroughs it's the five boroughs, but I've met people from Nassau County and NJ who mean the entire SMSA.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Illinois is broke ...
Speaking as a guy who lived "upstate", you're referring to "downstate". Whence "downstate" commences is up to interpretation. I claimed Poughkeepsie as that's where I could park a car and get onto NYC transit.
...Speaking as a guy who lived "upstate", you're referring to "downstate". Whence "downstate" commences is up to interpretation. I claimed Poughkeepsie as that's where I could park a car and get onto NYC transit.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Illinois is broke ...
It's a construct that Chicago uses to refer to their particular brand of grossly overpopulated, poorly planned, suburban sprawl. The idea is that it's so large and has so much of IL's population, it could/should be considered it's own quasi-state. We have this notion in Detroit too, except we call it "Southeast Michigan" and it always refers to the counties of Wayne, Livingston, Washtenaw, Oakland, Macomb, and (sometimes) Monroe. Oftentimes, that gets condensed even further into "The Tri-County Area" (which is just Wayne, Oakland, and Macomb).
...It's a construct that Chicago uses to refer to their particular brand of grossly overpopulated, poorly planned, suburban sprawl. The idea is that it's so large and has so much of IL's population, it could/should be considered it's own quasi-state. We have this notion in Detroit too, except we call it "Southeast Michigan" and it always refers to the counties of Wayne, Livingston, Washtenaw, Oakland, Macomb, and (sometimes) Monroe. Oftentimes, that gets condensed even further into "The Tri-County Area" (which is just Wayne, Oakland, and Macomb).
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Illinois is broke ...
Literally or figuratively when one says "the beltway"?
You know the "beltway" mindset bleeds into Vienna, Tyson's Corner, Fairfax, etc.
...Literally or figuratively when one says "the beltway"?
You know the "beltway" mindset bleeds into Vienna, Tyson's Corner, Fairfax, etc.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Illinois is broke ...
I've found that "upstate" is always 10 miles north of where you're from.
But generally speaking, I've seen 3 "zones" of upstateness.
If you're from L.I., upstate is anything north of the Bronx.
If you're from the five boroughs, upstate is anything north of Rockland and Westchester counties.
If you're from the rest of the state, "upstate" is anything north of the Mohawk River.
...I've found that "upstate" is always 10 miles north of where you're from.
But generally speaking, I've seen 3 "zones" of upstateness.
If you're from L.I., upstate is anything north of the Bronx.
If you're from the five boroughs, upstate is anything north of Rockland and Westchester counties.
If you're from the rest of the state, "upstate" is anything north of the Mohawk River.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Correct, and that map is quite large. A good portion of people in the region refer to the surrounding counties around Chicago as "Chicagoland," because saying you're from "Chicago" and then describing the gated community of Barrington Hills you grew up in which is 40 miles Northwest of the Chicago loop is just that person being an a**hole.
Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia have the closest accurate answer, but for most people, it's the much smaller seven county metro area: Cook County (where the city if Chicago is located within), Lake, McHenry, DuPage, Kane, Will, and Lake County Indiana.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
No, Milwaukee isn't part of Chicagoland. And residents of Rockford Illinois aren't part of that region either.
The overlap into Wisconsin is at Racine/Kenosha. That's the line in the sand where people start hating those "F.I.B's"
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Illinois is broke ...
Does anyone know the main causes of the problem? I've of course heard about the worst pension system in terms of underfunding but if they're not funding it currently that wouldn't contribute to the budget crisis today, so what else is going on? Massive loss of industry? Which ones? Too much spending? On what exactly? Is the entire state in trouble or just certain areas?
...Does anyone know the main causes of the problem? I've of course heard about the worst pension system in terms of underfunding but if they're not funding it currently that wouldn't contribute to the budget crisis today, so what else is going on? Massive loss of industry? Which ones? Too much spending? On what exactly? Is the entire state in trouble or just certain areas?
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: Illinois is broke ...
The spending has outpaced income for decades but there were so many sources to siphon off from that they got by.
- In 2008, when most states were slash-and-burning budgets to correct for the bubble crash, Illinois only enacted temporary cuts that expired in 2011.
- The tax system is lopsided the wrong way. High state sales tax and flat income tax. Property taxes are how municipalities make up their funding, which lead to property taxes being much higher than elsewhere.
- State Pensions are an easy source for money, only the legislature never re-invested into the pensions. Well over 11 to 12 figures are due to be returned to the pensions. And a state Constitution that was built around unions and pensions.
- A Governor who really despises the Unions, Pensions, and Tax Increases.
- A legislature who wants those things.
This all mostly effects the Chicagoland region residents, but the entire state is hurting from this.
...The spending has outpaced income for decades but there were so many sources to siphon off from that they got by.
- In 2008, when most states were slash-and-burning budgets to correct for the bubble crash, Illinois only enacted temporary cuts that expired in 2011.
- The tax system is lopsided the wrong way. High state sales tax and flat income tax. Property taxes are how municipalities make up their funding, which lead to property taxes being much higher than elsewhere.
- State Pensions are an easy source for money, only the legislature never re-invested into the pensions. Well over 11 to 12 figures are due to be returned to the pensions. And a state Constitution that was built around unions and pensions.
- A Governor who really despises the Unions, Pensions, and Tax Increases.
- A legislature who wants those things.
This all mostly effects the Chicagoland region residents, but the entire state is hurting from this.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Illinois is broke ...
BTW: Bill Wirtz clearly felt that Milwaukee was in Chicagoland, and that's one of the big reasons why Milwaukee never got an NHL franchise.
Screw you too, Blackhawks.
...BTW: Bill Wirtz clearly felt that Milwaukee was in Chicagoland, and that's one of the big reasons why Milwaukee never got an NHL franchise.
Screw you too, Blackhawks.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Illinois is broke ...
Well, yeah, but does that mean Hamilton is in western NY?
BTW, the Admirals would have been a GREAT franchise.
...Well, yeah, but does that mean Hamilton is in western NY?
BTW, the Admirals would have been a GREAT franchise.