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Illinois is broke(n) ...

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Illinois actually has a "flat" income tax. Their income tax is just something like four or five percent of your income, across the board. I think it's been that way for a long, long time.

That is written into the state Constitution (ratified 1970), Article IX, Section 3(a):

SECTION 3. LIMITATIONS ON INCOME TAXATION
(a) A tax on or measured by income shall be at a non-graduated rate. At any one time there may be no more than one such tax imposed by the State for State purposes on individuals and one such tax so imposed on corporations. In any such tax imposed upon corporations the rate shall not exceed the rate imposed on individuals by more than a ratio of 8 to 5.
 
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That's why you don't place taxation or spending details into a state constitution. You write language that the state may levy taxes for its operation, but you don't state the method of that taxation. Those details are better left to the politicians living in the moment of need, to address what would best serve the State.
 
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Mass has the same issue. Not sure why that is but state taxes seem to be a flat rate unless you pass a constitutional amendment.
 
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Reading about Rauner, how did this jackas-s get elected in the first place? He's like Brownback. I expect that in KS, but IL?

Nice to see these chumps finally getting rolled back. Maybe ME will be next?

Because the Illinois Democratic governors keep getting arrested? At a certain point, you're going to be willing to try the other side if he isn't a felon.
 
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That's why you don't place taxation or spending details into a state constitution. You write language that the state may levy taxes for its operation, but you don't state the method of that taxation. Those details are better left to the politicians living in the moment of need, to address what would best serve the State.

That's one point of view....set in the context of the times, the clause in the Illinois constitution made sense then because the state income tax was relatively new and a proposed increase in the income tax rate so soon after starting it in the first place generated a lot of debate.

The idea apparently was that if you make graduated rates unconstitutional, then the state would need to keep income tax rates low since everyone would be affected; and people had only grudgingly come to accept any state income tax at all in the first place.

At that time, most people viewed budgeting as: you start with the revenue you have and then figure out how to allocate it among competing priorities; it was not a popular view then that you make promises left and right to get elected, and then try to figure out where to find the money to pay for them.

I recall Richard M. Daley opposing a small social welfare program. He said, paraphrase, once you try to do something nice on a temporary basis to help out a few people in need, then pretty soon it gets viewed as a 'right' and everyone starts clamoring for it, and that blows your budget all to h^ll.
 
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That's one point of view....set in the context of the times, the clause in the Illinois constitution made sense then because the state income tax was relatively new and a proposed increase in the income tax rate so soon after starting it in the first place generated a lot of debate.

The idea apparently was that if you make graduated rates unconstitutional, then the state would need to keep income tax rates low since everyone would be affected; and people had only grudgingly come to accept any state income tax at all in the first place.

At that time, most people viewed budgeting as: you start with the revenue you have and then figure out how to allocate it among competing priorities; it was not a popular view then that you make promises left and right to get elected, and then try to figure out where to find the money to pay for them.

I recall Richard M. Daley opposing a small social welfare program. He said, paraphrase, once you try to do something nice on a temporary basis to help out a few people in need, then pretty soon it gets viewed as a 'right' and everyone starts clamoring for it, and that blows your budget all to h^ll.
Cite your sources please.
 
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