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Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

dxmnkd316 said:
So a reporter that spends a week in the green zone in Iraq is expert enough to testify before Congress about the war on terror?
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Maybe I have low standards of what to expect from Congressional testimony, but I'm just saying it's not unheard of to have celebrities like Colbert come in to testify about various things. Helps give attention to the cause and all that nonsense.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Maybe I have low standards of what to expect from Congressional testimony, but I'm just saying it's not unheard of to have celebrities like Colbert come in to testify about various things. Helps give attention to the cause and all that nonsense.
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I guess...

I just don't care to see any celebrity (or "celebrity") in front of Congress (or in Congress, yes, Al, I'm talking about you). I really can't think of a good reason to have one hauled into the Capitol Building to be honest.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I'm always pro tar and feathers.
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Nobody rides anybody out of town on a rail anymore either.
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Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

What I don't get with the "Take Our Jobs" bit is this:

What does being here illegally have to do with the willingness to take terrible jobs? It's just a stupid argument:

Statement: Illegal immigrants are willing to accept jobs that American citizens won't take. This helps our economy in industries that rely on cheap labor.

Result: Therefore, we should be okay with illegal immigrants.

Problem #1: It's an assumption that Americans won't take those jobs. Suburban middle class Americans won't take those jobs, to be sure. But the impoverished? The desperate? What about legal immigrants?

Problem #2: Seriously, what does the "illegal" part have to do with their willingness to take a terrible job? Would the more appropriate adjective be "desperate"?
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Problem #2: Seriously, what does the "illegal" part have to do with their willingness to take a terrible job? Would the more appropriate adjective be "desperate"?
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The cool thing about illegals is they won't go to the authorities, so you can screw them a lot worse than you would screw a garden variety desperate citizen.

I imagine just the existence of that extra leverage avoids a lot of, um, negotiation hassles. "You can get more with a kind word and a gun than just a kind word." -- Al Capone.
 
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Kepler said:
The cool thing about illegals is they won't go to the authorities, so you can screw them a lot worse than you would screw a garden variety desperate citizen.

I imagine just the existence of that extra leverage avoids a lot of, um, negotiation hassles. "You can get more with a kind word and a gun than just a kind word." -- Al Capone.
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As true as that is... I just don't see how that justifies the need for us to not have or enforce border laws.

Making the immigration process faster and smoother is one argument I can kind of get behind, but all the justification given to flat out ignoring our own immigration laws baffles me. It's as if people think that because you can make money off of something, it should therefore not be against the law.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
As true as that is... I just don't see how that justifies the need for us to not have or enforce border laws.

Making the immigration process faster and smoother is one argument I can kind of get behind, but all the justification given to flat out ignoring our own immigration laws baffles me. It's as if people think that because you can make money off of something, it should therefore not be against the law.
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It helps explain why interests we ordinarily do not see in alignment are. Personally I think it argues for enforcing immigration law much most harshly against employers, but that won't happen in the same way that drug laws are not enforced most harshly against the stock brokers who snort coke. Are you nuts? Those people vote! :eek: :p

It seems to me it should be very easy to register non-citizen workers, enforce the same rights US workers have to protect both them and the US workers competing against them (minimum wage, safe working conditions, etc), and then tell the burbs that if they want immigration reform so badly they're going to pay 200% more for their produce. Agra biz would even make a greater profit, since they'd gouge like an oil company after a fortuitous spill.

Come to think of it, unregulated Mexican agriculture would probably grab the market, and all the workers would go back across the border to where the jobs were.
 
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Kepler said:
Come to think of it, unregulated Mexican agriculture would probably grab the market, and all the workers would go back across the border to where the jobs were.
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On a positive note, that may ease the coming crisis in potable water supplies in the SW if we stop having incentive to water the desert with valuable drinking water to grow these cheap crops.
 
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Kepler said:
It helps explain why interests we ordinarily do not see in alignment are. Personally I think it argues for enforcing immigration law much most harshly against employers, but that won't happen in the same way that drug laws are not enforced most harshly against the stock brokers who snort coke. Are you nuts? Those people <strike>vote</strike> donate money to politicians! :eek: :p
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Unregulated Mexican agriculture already has a sizable chunk of the market. Look at where your produce in the grocery store comes from. Probably varies some around the country, but here in Arizona, it's common to see produce from Mexico.
 
Re: Illegal Immigration IV: Amnesty For Some, Miniature American Flags For Others

ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
What I don't get with the "Take Our Jobs" bit is this:

What does being here illegally have to do with the willingness to take terrible jobs? It's just a stupid argument:

Statement: Illegal immigrants are willing to accept jobs that American citizens won't take. This helps our economy in industries that rely on cheap labor.

Result: Therefore, we should be okay with illegal immigrants.

Problem #1: It's an assumption that Americans won't take those jobs. Suburban middle class Americans won't take those jobs, to be sure. But the impoverished? The desperate? What about legal immigrants?

Problem #2: Seriously, what does the "illegal" part have to do with their willingness to take a terrible job? Would the more appropriate adjective be "desperate"?
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OK... there are 70 people who apply for a job in your field... how much should he make?

There are 700 people who apply for a job in your field... how much should he make? Is that more or less than the guy in the previous example.

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Increased employment pools depress wages... illegal immigrants depress wages for non-skilled work. Not everybody in the US gets a shiny college diploma for their efforts.
 
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And of course it depends a lot on the field your talking about. Here in Arizona, a lot of illegals were working in construction when things were booming here, jobs that at least in many cases could have gone to an American. On the other hand there's also a lot of seasonal agricultural work, picking fruits and vegetables, and I really doubt that those extremely hard manual labor, low paying jobs would be snapped up by Americans.
 
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