UMDbulldogs#1
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Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
I wanted it to be a close game.
I wanted it to be a close game.
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If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
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Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
First off, anyone who doesn't understand that this hypothetical means BC stands pat and doesn't get anyone else is a moron. For Parise's sake, we're arguing FOR the supremacy of your team.
Second, M. Connolly and Faulk aren't worth a 5 goal difference, which is what Duluth would've needed since they lost by four. BC beats anyone this year regardless of their pro losses.
First off, anyone who doesn't understand that this hypothetical means BC stands pat and doesn't get anyone else is a moron. For Parise's sake, we're arguing FOR the supremacy of your team.
Second, M. Connolly and Faulk aren't worth a 5 goal difference, which is what Duluth would've needed since they lost by four. BC beats anyone this year regardless of their pro losses.
Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
Meh. Maine swept BC as is and played them better than anybody else has in the Hockey East final, without Spencer Abbott. Add Abbott and I think that's a different game. Put Nyquist back on the team too? No doubt they could win.
Meh. Maine swept BC as is and played them better than anybody else has in the Hockey East final, without Spencer Abbott. Add Abbott and I think that's a different game. Put Nyquist back on the team too? No doubt they could win.
HarleyMC
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Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
That's right...who cares, we lost.
I'm still sad about it and in recovery mode. How 'bout you Slap?
That's right...who cares, we lost.
I'm still sad about it and in recovery mode. How 'bout you Slap?
Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
Remember the actual game two weeks ago. UMD had the better play before BC came up with the goals. Eventually, the lead made all the difference in that game.
Jack Connolly being the best player in hockey this year, while Mike was of the same level of player and Faulk left as the team's top scoring defenseman after his freshman year. There's an excellent chance that UMD gets the first goal plus with Mike and Justin on the ice at the same time with the momentum they had early in the second.
Its not illegal or anything. But the point is that folks believe that BC had a major advantage that really no other top team I know of has received this year...keeping its best upperclassmen.
A point was made that BC is somehow smarter by recruiting many NHL undesirables...due to their smaller size. That doesn't hold. Frankly...from a western perspective...its unbelievable that BC could have kept its D corp intact. No other team I know of in the WCHA or CCHA would have lucked into keeping this set up:
Cross 6'3 Sr
Dumoulin 6,4 Jr
Shea 6'0 Sr
Wey 6'3 Jr
To show this example, Minnesota's last two NCs consisted of teams that had to overcome 6 of its top 9 scorers being underclassmen in 2002 and 3 of its top 7 scorers being freshmen in 2003.
Remember the actual game two weeks ago. UMD had the better play before BC came up with the goals. Eventually, the lead made all the difference in that game.
Jack Connolly being the best player in hockey this year, while Mike was of the same level of player and Faulk left as the team's top scoring defenseman after his freshman year. There's an excellent chance that UMD gets the first goal plus with Mike and Justin on the ice at the same time with the momentum they had early in the second.
OH! I get it now!
"If your team is awarded special advantages, and not subject to the nature of NCAA hockey that every team copes with ... "
Well, in that case, I'll take my team, AND I'll feel awesome about it too ...
Its not illegal or anything. But the point is that folks believe that BC had a major advantage that really no other top team I know of has received this year...keeping its best upperclassmen.
A point was made that BC is somehow smarter by recruiting many NHL undesirables...due to their smaller size. That doesn't hold. Frankly...from a western perspective...its unbelievable that BC could have kept its D corp intact. No other team I know of in the WCHA or CCHA would have lucked into keeping this set up:
Cross 6'3 Sr
Dumoulin 6,4 Jr
Shea 6'0 Sr
Wey 6'3 Jr
To show this example, Minnesota's last two NCs consisted of teams that had to overcome 6 of its top 9 scorers being underclassmen in 2002 and 3 of its top 7 scorers being freshmen in 2003.
FiveHole12
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Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
Boston College lost 2 top forwards and a top 3 Dman to early departure after last season.
Cam Atkinson, Jr, F - 31-21-52
Jimmy Hayes, Jr, F - 21-12-33
Phillip Samuelsson, So, D - 4-12-16
Current BC players drafted by the NHL:
Defense: Cross, Sr., Dumoulin, Jr., Wey, Jr., MacLeod, So.
Forwards: Carey, Sr., Kreider, Jr., Hayes, So., Arnold, So., Gaudreau, Fr.
We expect to see Kreider, F and Dumoulin, D to depart early after this season.
Jerry York will reload and then coach them up to compete at championship level... AGAIN!
That's just the way it is. Sorry folks.
Your points are inaccurate. Boston College loses top players to early departure every year.
Boston College lost 2 top forwards and a top 3 Dman to early departure after last season.
Cam Atkinson, Jr, F - 31-21-52
Jimmy Hayes, Jr, F - 21-12-33
Phillip Samuelsson, So, D - 4-12-16
Current BC players drafted by the NHL:
Defense: Cross, Sr., Dumoulin, Jr., Wey, Jr., MacLeod, So.
Forwards: Carey, Sr., Kreider, Jr., Hayes, So., Arnold, So., Gaudreau, Fr.
We expect to see Kreider, F and Dumoulin, D to depart early after this season.
Jerry York will reload and then coach them up to compete at championship level... AGAIN!
That's just the way it is. Sorry folks.
Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
None of your post even addressed my point.
My point was that BC had an advantage over other top teams due to age. Almost all of BC's top 5 scores were upperclassmen...frankly BC had the same advantage last year.
None of your post even addressed my point.
My point was that BC had an advantage over other top teams due to age. Almost all of BC's top 5 scores were upperclassmen...frankly BC had the same advantage last year.
carltonbarrett
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Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
Yeah, BC/York never has to deal with losing good players early, only bumbs like Reasoner, Kobasew, Kolanos, Orpik, Pat Eaves, Petrecki, Schneider, Gerbe, Atkinson, J Hayes and almost certainly Kreider and Dumoulin after this year. They won it all in 2001 carried by 3 freshmen (Kobasew, Voce & B Eaves) and a sophmore (Kolanos), they won it all in 2010 skating 4 true freshmen on defense and being carried up front by a sophmore (Atkinson) and this year they are skating 5 freshmen forwards and again are getting a huge boost up front by a freshmen (Gaudreau) after losing their 4 top scorers from last years squad, including the leading 2 goal scorers who both left early. In addition, the 98 team that lost to Michigan in the National Championship game in OT and the 2006 team that lost to WI 2-1 in the National Championship game were both also ridiculously young on defense and at forward. If anything, they've been successful by having impact freshmen/sophmores.
Yeah, BC/York never has to deal with losing good players early, only bumbs like Reasoner, Kobasew, Kolanos, Orpik, Pat Eaves, Petrecki, Schneider, Gerbe, Atkinson, J Hayes and almost certainly Kreider and Dumoulin after this year. They won it all in 2001 carried by 3 freshmen (Kobasew, Voce & B Eaves) and a sophmore (Kolanos), they won it all in 2010 skating 4 true freshmen on defense and being carried up front by a sophmore (Atkinson) and this year they are skating 5 freshmen forwards and again are getting a huge boost up front by a freshmen (Gaudreau) after losing their 4 top scorers from last years squad, including the leading 2 goal scorers who both left early. In addition, the 98 team that lost to Michigan in the National Championship game in OT and the 2006 team that lost to WI 2-1 in the National Championship game were both also ridiculously young on defense and at forward. If anything, they've been successful by having impact freshmen/sophmores.
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FiveHole12
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Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
BC Frozen Four notes, Page 11
FWIW, that's BC's system. Every line has their role and many players wait their turn as juniors/seniors to be relied upon for scoring (PP time, etc.) This years team is a bit different. Virtually three #1 lines roll over the boards and scoring is well balanced throughout the roster. 4th line has some very good frosh players and I see them becoming scoring factors as jrs/srs.
The BC staff is quite good at developing players.
So, without looking at everyone elses roster, you're saying every other team is fielding frosh and sophomores and BC is kicking everyone's arse because we have some jrs/srs on the roster? Show me.
Ahhh, so sorry. I never saw 'age' mentioned in your post. BC roster average age: 20 years, 7 months as of 10/1/11.
BC Frozen Four notes, Page 11
FWIW, that's BC's system. Every line has their role and many players wait their turn as juniors/seniors to be relied upon for scoring (PP time, etc.) This years team is a bit different. Virtually three #1 lines roll over the boards and scoring is well balanced throughout the roster. 4th line has some very good frosh players and I see them becoming scoring factors as jrs/srs.
The BC staff is quite good at developing players.
So, without looking at everyone elses roster, you're saying every other team is fielding frosh and sophomores and BC is kicking everyone's arse because we have some jrs/srs on the roster? Show me.
Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
So now UMD also gets fontaine back???
why don't you add brett hull while you're at it
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that shea has stayed four years and wey three years. The top two dmen are cross and dumoulin. Cross had knee issues each of his first three years. The only surprise is having dumoulin back this year...BC got lucky there. If other people can't handle the "advantage" of bc having great juniors and seniors, perhaps you need a new coach or need your team to change its recruiting philosophy.
So now UMD also gets fontaine back???
why don't you add brett hull while you're at itIt shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that shea has stayed four years and wey three years. The top two dmen are cross and dumoulin. Cross had knee issues each of his first three years. The only surprise is having dumoulin back this year...BC got lucky there. If other people can't handle the "advantage" of bc having great juniors and seniors, perhaps you need a new coach or need your team to change its recruiting philosophy.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
Why are the UMD fans acting like last year's team was some kind of juggernaut? They finished 4th in the WCHA, didn't win the Broadmoor and had a great 4 game run in the NCAAs. That team from last year wasn't unbeatable, they just happened to not get beat.
Why are the UMD fans acting like last year's team was some kind of juggernaut? They finished 4th in the WCHA, didn't win the Broadmoor and had a great 4 game run in the NCAAs. That team from last year wasn't unbeatable, they just happened to not get beat.
FiveHole12
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Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
Do your players go to college to get an education/enjoy the college experience or is it a 2 year stepping stone? Can't help you out with that one. Last I checked, most colleges are a 4 year education, sometimes 5.
Orosjo gonna have some fun with this.
Guessing you are a MN fan? I checked the roster... lots of frosh/sophs.
Do your players go to college to get an education/enjoy the college experience or is it a 2 year stepping stone? Can't help you out with that one. Last I checked, most colleges are a 4 year education, sometimes 5.
Orosjo gonna have some fun with this.
Re: If your best players hadn't gone pro, would your team beat BC?
So what do we make of the win by CC over BC last year in the tournament?