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GB Puck Fan said:
WORCESTER, Mass. (AP) -- The College of the Holy Cross says it will stop using the image of a knight as a logo and mascot even though trustees last month decided to keep the nickname Crusaders for its athletic teams.
The president of the Worcester (WUS'-tur), Massachusetts, Jesuit college, the Rev. Philip Boroughs, wrote in a letter to students, alumni and staff Wednesday the depiction of a knight with the moniker Crusader is an inevitable reminder of the religious wars and violence that marked the Crusades.
Boroughs says such imagery "stands in contrast" to the college's stated values" but notes the word "crusader," in its modern sense, means someone who stands for positive principles.
In place of a knight, Holy Cross will use an interlocking HC on a purple shield as its primary logo.
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Beyond absurd and pathetic.
 
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Timothy A said:
A knight does not = crusader. Not all knights were crusaders and not all crusaders were knights.
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Sure, but pair the name "Crusader" with an image of a knight and it kind of does evoke the image of the Crusades.


Powers &8^]
 
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This one is all weird for me. I am not a fan of the PC crazy crowd. However I have never really understood why schools go with the name Crusaders given the history. I also think the HC logo is a lot better than the night. So I think it be a good change, but still the reasoning is a bit silly...
 
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Maybe this?
<img src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-apxOEfb6HOU/UtRr4EbVnrI/AAAAAAAATXc/uOQoFP7BBUg/s1600/Crusader_Rabbit_title.jpg"/src>
 
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As a Norwegian-American, why don't I have the right to be offended by the blood-lust depictions of Viking mascots, and to have them banned?

Some will call me a liar, but at the agency for which I work (a generally liberal social service agency), we have tried using various methods of naming predetermined groups of employees at all-agency functions. Whether we do it by color, number, animal, plant, or letter people get honestly offended. "I don't want to be red - it's an angry color." "I don't want to be blue - it's a sad color." "I don't want to be a tiger - they are carnivores." "I don't want to be a butterfly - they're weak." "I don't want to be a 2 - I want to be a 1." "I don't want to be a 1 - does everything have to be competitive?" .... Seriously. It is impossible to name the groups as a reference without offending.
 
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UncleRay said:
As a Norwegian-American, why don't I have the right to be offended by the blood-lust depictions of Viking mascots, and to have them banned?
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If you can tie it to oppression of people with Norwegian ancestry, you probably could.

But keep in mind this is a voluntary decision by the College of the Holy Cross. No one told them they had to do it.


Powers &8^]
 
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As an unapologetic practicing Catholic, I have sadly noted for some years that one of the biggest threats to Catholicism is ---- U.S. Catholic colleges.
 
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I don't like the Fighting Irish logo. Once I finish my beer, I'll "dance" with anyone who disagrees with me.
 
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Not sure why this thread exists on a college hockey forum. Nevertheless, there are both positive and negative sides to the story line of the Crusades. When Byzantium asked the Western Church for aid, the pope saw a chance to regain leverage with the Orthodox church. However, that effort failed.

But when the Crusaders arrived in Constantinople, they discovered libraries full of books unknown or lost to the West, such as Aristotle's works. Those books were translated into Latin and helped fuel an intellectual revival in the West.

On the negative side, the Crusaders later sacked Constantinople and massacred thousands of Muslims and Jews while trying to reclaim the Holy Land from Islam.

So it's hardly surprising that plenty of people don't exactly get warm, fuzzy feelings when the C-word is mentioned. Those who are antagonistic to the message of Christianity in general today frequently use the Crusades to argue against organized religion.

Billy Graham's alma mater Wheaton College also changed their mascot a few years ago from Crusaders to Thunder. The Holy Cross decision is based upon seeking to create a more positive public perception of Christianity. That's a common practice in many domains of life and work. I don't see anything wrong with it.
 
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LtPowers said:
Sure, but pair the name "Crusader" with an image of a knight and it kind of does evoke the image of the Crusades.

Powers &8^]
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Correct, but the British also had the Crusader tank in WWII and the US had the Crusader aircraft in the arsenal from the late 50's to mid 70's. They could just change the image from the guy on the horse to the aircraft.
 
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Timothy A said:
Correct, but the British also had the Crusader tank in WWII and the US had the Crusader aircraft in the arsenal from the late 50's to mid 70's. They could just change the image from the guy on the horse to the aircraft.
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That's basically what Holy Cross is doing, as the new logo is going to be the former secondary athletic logo, a shield with HC on it. Of course, some may connect the shield to the knight that is no longer visible and therefore to the Crusades and still be offended. Maybe changing the logo to a tank or plane would be better, although it might offend those who are opposed to war. ;)

Sean
 
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Sean Pickett said:
That's basically what Holy Cross is doing, as the new logo is going to be the former secondary athletic logo, a shield with HC on it. Of course, some may connect the shield to the knight that is no longer visible and therefore to the Crusades and still be offended. Maybe changing the logo to a tank or plane would be better, although it might offend those who are opposed to war. ;)

Sean
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I'd hate to offend Germans, Italians or North Vietnamese. Hey wait! I'm German! I find the Crusader Tank offensive. Of course their crews found them offensive themselves as they were not a very good tank.

So will they have a across anywhere on their logo? They need to own what they are all about and not hide from it. A lot of people find Christians offensive.
 
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