JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
You bring up some good, thought provoking points.
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Hockey support in Georgia
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You bring up some good, thought provoking points.
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
The reason this didnt happen is Big isnt going to share the money
The reason this didnt happen is Big isnt going to share the money
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
You're probably right. Interesting ideas to think about though.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Hockey support in Georgia
You find that small program that Minny is giving a 1:1 to yet?
You find that small program that Minny is giving a 1:1 to yet?
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
We're doing more than that. See my previous tweets for explanation. I'm done repeating myself
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Gurtholfin
Guest
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
Purdue is offering 1:1s?
And no, the Gophers aren't.
And you look like a clown for the umpteenth time.
We're doing more than that. See my previous tweets for explanation. I'm done repeating myself
Purdue is offering 1:1s?
And no, the Gophers aren't.
And you look like a clown for the umpteenth time.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Purdue is offering 1:1s?
And no, the Gophers aren't.
And you look like a clown for the umpteenth time.
What I've Suggested UW Do For 1-2 Schools
YEAR 1: Play Away Series
YEAR 2: Play Home Series
YEAR 3: OFF
YEAR 4: OFF
What Gophers Doing for 4 Schools
YEAR 1: Play Home Series (Split Revenue)
YEAR 2: Play 2 Home Series (Split Revenue 1 Series)
YEAR 3: Play Home Series (Split Revenue)
YEAR 4: Play Away Series
If UW wants, they can forgo the 1:1 and do what the Gophers are doing. That would be just fine by me
And calling me a clown makes you no less wrong. As fun as it is watching you try to shove a square peg in a round hole, you should stick to childish banter and photoshopped pieces and leave the serious discussion to those capable
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UncleRay
M-A-I-N-E, GooOOO, Blue!
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
You've been (wrongly) claiming that the Goofs are offering something approaching a 1:1 to other Minnesota state schools. Yet what you just outlined is a 4:1! And you screwed that up, because Year 3 would be a repeat of Year 2, making it a 5:1 offer, according to you! And I'm laughing my butt off over the fact that "neutral site" games for which you were congratulating tEGUofMn for "giving up 2 of their 20 home games" you, yourself, now call home games!
Gurt is right, you are a clown!
Quoting so you can't edit away the evidence.What I've Suggested UW Do For 1-2 Schools
YEAR 1: Play Away Series
YEAR 2: Play Home Series
YEAR 3: OFF
YEAR 4: OFF
What Gophers Doing for 4 Schools
YEAR 1: Play Home Series (Split Revenue)
YEAR 2: Play 2 Home Series (Split Revenue 1 Series)
YEAR 3: Play Home Series (Split Revenue)
YEAR 4: Play Away Series
If UW wants, they can forgo the 1:1 and do what the Gophers are doing. That would be just fine by me
And calling me a clown makes you no less wrong. As fun as it is watching you try to shove a square peg in a round hole, you should stick to childish banter and photoshopped pieces and leave the serious discussion to those capable
You've been (wrongly) claiming that the Goofs are offering something approaching a 1:1 to other Minnesota state schools. Yet what you just outlined is a 4:1! And you screwed that up, because Year 3 would be a repeat of Year 2, making it a 5:1 offer, according to you! And I'm laughing my butt off over the fact that "neutral site" games for which you were congratulating tEGUofMn for "giving up 2 of their 20 home games" you, yourself, now call home games!
Gurt is right, you are a clown!
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Where to begin replying to this completely ignorant post.
The Gophers always play 20 home games and get the gate receipts for 20 home games. They are taking two of those 20 home games to play in the MN Tournament (where revenue will be split between all of the schools playing). So, from a revenue standpoint (which is what I was referring to), they are giving up two home games.
Those are the home games where revenue is split in my outline above. The other MN schools will rotate out of this MN Tournament, and the years they don't play in the tournament that school will host the Gophers. Those are the Away series in the outline above. The other home series in which revenue isn't split will be at Mariucci and only the Gophers will get the revenue.
So, the other schools will get revenue from playing the Gophers 3 out of every 4 years by playing in the MN Tournament, and 1 out of every 4 years from hosting the Gophers at home.
So, thank you for proving my point that the Gopher's arrangement isn't technically a 1:1 arrangement, but is more beneficial to the smaller schools than a simple 1:1 arrangement every 4 years would be.
I never said the Gophers were offering 1:1 arrangements. They are offering something more beneficial to these schools than a 1:1 every 4 years. But if UW wants to forgo the 1:1 every 4 years and play a small school every year (and share revenue with them 3/4 years), that would be fine by me
Time for UW to step up now. I am sure a school like Tech would love the support.
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Re: Hockey support in Georgia
Not sure what level they were playing at, but when I attended UGA (2001) they were actually pretty decent. I didn't get to attend a game as everything was played in Atlanta or further away. Not to mention, I only had one friend there who even knew that hockey existed (ironically, he was there on exchange from Minnesota).
Funny side note, the Minnesota friend invited me to the Frozen Four in 2002 before we knew the final teams. Maine ends up playing Minnesota and...well...you know the rest.
Not sure what level they were playing at, but when I attended UGA (2001) they were actually pretty decent. I didn't get to attend a game as everything was played in Atlanta or further away. Not to mention, I only had one friend there who even knew that hockey existed (ironically, he was there on exchange from Minnesota).
Funny side note, the Minnesota friend invited me to the Frozen Four in 2002 before we knew the final teams. Maine ends up playing Minnesota and...well...you know the rest.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Not sure what level they were playing at, but when I attended UGA (2001) they were actually pretty decent. I didn't get to attend a game as everything was played in Atlanta or further away. Not to mention, I only had one friend there who even knew that hockey existed (ironically, he was there on exchange from Minnesota).
Funny side note, the Minnesota friend invited me to the Frozen Four in 2002 before we knew the final teams. Maine ends up playing Minnesota and...well...you know the rest.
That 2002 Final was such a good game though. Could have went either way.
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Gurtholfin
Guest
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
I hate to break it to you, but UW doesn't care about your suggestions or what would be "fine by you."
This whole thing has just been another of your attempts to disparage Wisconsin, hoping desperately that others will agree with you. Your inferiority complex is perplexing considering that Minnesota actually has a decent program. Well, in hockey anyway. As I've said before, top 10 all time or at worst, top 15.
That's nothing to hang your head about. You should be proud and stop wishing that you were us.
What happened to you? Did a Badger football player stuff you in a toilet when they were in West Lafayette beating up on your Boilermakers? I'd wonder if someone from here stole your girlfriend, but of course you'd first have to have... never mind.
Something scarred you and I hope you can reach out and get the help you so clearly need.
Don't get me wrong, Wisconsin's a great place and our hockey program has been more successful than yours, but Minnesota ain't too bad.
Chin up Dubbie!
If UW wants, they can forgo the 1:1 and do what the Gophers are doing. That would be just fine by me
I hate to break it to you, but UW doesn't care about your suggestions or what would be "fine by you."
This whole thing has just been another of your attempts to disparage Wisconsin, hoping desperately that others will agree with you. Your inferiority complex is perplexing considering that Minnesota actually has a decent program. Well, in hockey anyway. As I've said before, top 10 all time or at worst, top 15.
That's nothing to hang your head about. You should be proud and stop wishing that you were us.
What happened to you? Did a Badger football player stuff you in a toilet when they were in West Lafayette beating up on your Boilermakers? I'd wonder if someone from here stole your girlfriend, but of course you'd first have to have... never mind.
Something scarred you and I hope you can reach out and get the help you so clearly need.
Don't get me wrong, Wisconsin's a great place and our hockey program has been more successful than yours, but Minnesota ain't too bad.
Chin up Dubbie!
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
On the contrary, it is you that can't think outside the confines of borders and rivalries and concentrate on what is best for college hockey in general. Which, in turn, is what will ultimately be best for the program you so narrowly follow.
But keep making the same old, tired points. You'll never get that square peg in the hole.
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If you could get past your insecurities you'd realize that being a program asked to do more to help is a good thing because it is considered significant and successful enough to make a difference.
This isn't a UW vs UMN thing, as hard as you've been trying to make it that. It just so happens out of the largest schools in the former WCHA, Wisconsin is doing the least to assist the smaller schools in the former conference.
I find it ironic that a UW fan is complaining about their program getting criticized to a Gopher fan. No program is a bigger lightning rod for criticism (some very much deserved) than Minnesota.
And not sure how long it will take you to realize that I am impervious to petty, unimaginitive criticism from strangers on the Internet, but it is fun watching you hammer away at that peg too. Perhaps that really is the only ammo you have to work with in an intelligent discussion??
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On the contrary, it is you that can't think outside the confines of borders and rivalries and concentrate on what is best for college hockey in general. Which, in turn, is what will ultimately be best for the program you so narrowly follow.
But keep making the same old, tired points. You'll never get that square peg in the hole.
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If you could get past your insecurities you'd realize that being a program asked to do more to help is a good thing because it is considered significant and successful enough to make a difference.
This isn't a UW vs UMN thing, as hard as you've been trying to make it that. It just so happens out of the largest schools in the former WCHA, Wisconsin is doing the least to assist the smaller schools in the former conference.
I find it ironic that a UW fan is complaining about their program getting criticized to a Gopher fan. No program is a bigger lightning rod for criticism (some very much deserved) than Minnesota.
And not sure how long it will take you to realize that I am impervious to petty, unimaginitive criticism from strangers on the Internet, but it is fun watching you hammer away at that peg too. Perhaps that really is the only ammo you have to work with in an intelligent discussion??
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ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
Did you ever stop an think that maybe the reason Wisconsin wanted a Big 10 hockey conference so bad is because they were sick and tired of playing teams like Mankato, Bemidji, and UAA? I think it's fairly obvious that that's exactly part of Barry Alvarez's thought process as this was going down.
So, why the hell would they play them now on a 1:1? I'd be shocked if they even bothered with a 2:1. I'd ask for a 3:1 if I were Wisconsin's AD. If I'm Wisconsin's AD I got exactly what I wanted, more conference games against my school's real rivals.
Ultimately everyone does what's best for themselves and not what's best for everyone else. Sad, but true.
Did you ever stop an think that maybe the reason Wisconsin wanted a Big 10 hockey conference so bad is because they were sick and tired of playing teams like Mankato, Bemidji, and UAA? I think it's fairly obvious that that's exactly part of Barry Alvarez's thought process as this was going down.
So, why the hell would they play them now on a 1:1? I'd be shocked if they even bothered with a 2:1. I'd ask for a 3:1 if I were Wisconsin's AD. If I'm Wisconsin's AD I got exactly what I wanted, more conference games against my school's real rivals.
Ultimately everyone does what's best for themselves and not what's best for everyone else. Sad, but true.
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
It looks like that square peg is going in that hole just fine, if not already in.
It looks like that square peg is going in that hole just fine, if not already in.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Not sure what point you are trying to make because that is exactly what I think Barry and UW were thinking when they pushed so hard for the Big Ten. And I agree with you that UW is just doing what is best for them.
But is it in Minnesota's best interest to give up the revenue from two games at Mariucci to play at the MN Tournament or to agree to play all 4 in-state schools yearly? Is it in UND's best interest to continue to play and support Bemidji?
I understand that UW probably won't change their ways, but that doesn't mean it doesn't warrant criticism. God knows people are quick to criticize Minnesota or North Dakota when they deserve it.
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JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
No, it just gives you the illusion that it will go in, but it never quite fits in all the way in. Rational people just use a round peg
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
All teams in the MN tournament use Minnesota taxpayer money for their campus buildings.
Why don't you guys invite UW in your tournament? Then maybe we can schedule a few home games. I think it is criminal that UW wasn't invited to your tournament. At least, you guys could invite us every 3 or 4 years....geez share some of that revenue with UW.
All teams in the MN tournament use Minnesota taxpayer money for their campus buildings.
Why don't you guys invite UW in your tournament? Then maybe we can schedule a few home games. I think it is criminal that UW wasn't invited to your tournament. At least, you guys could invite us every 3 or 4 years....geez share some of that revenue with UW.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Hockey support in Georgia
Criticize them for what? What do you hope to accomplish with this well thought out criticism of yours? IMO for the criticism to be worth it the person being criticized has to give a flying **** and it's pretty obvious that Wisconsin doesn't care and quite frankly has no reason to care. Minnesota is the only Big 10 school that spoke out against the new conference. The creation of the conference has more to do with what is happening to Bemidji, UAA, MTU, and Mankato than anything else. The entire western NCAA hockey model was based on Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan State being meal tickets for smaller schools. The same model is used in Football and Basketball but I guarantee you Duke isn't going to travel to North Dakota State to play basketball and Alabama isn't going to travel to North Dakota State to play football. So why in the hell should Wisconsin be obligated to travel to Mankato to play hockey?
I don't get it.
Criticize them for what? What do you hope to accomplish with this well thought out criticism of yours? IMO for the criticism to be worth it the person being criticized has to give a flying **** and it's pretty obvious that Wisconsin doesn't care and quite frankly has no reason to care. Minnesota is the only Big 10 school that spoke out against the new conference. The creation of the conference has more to do with what is happening to Bemidji, UAA, MTU, and Mankato than anything else. The entire western NCAA hockey model was based on Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan State being meal tickets for smaller schools. The same model is used in Football and Basketball but I guarantee you Duke isn't going to travel to North Dakota State to play basketball and Alabama isn't going to travel to North Dakota State to play football. So why in the hell should Wisconsin be obligated to travel to Mankato to play hockey?
I don't get it.
JDUBBS1280
MN Hockey Enthusiast
Speaking of square pegs in round holes. I really wish people would stop bringing up taxpayer money because taxpayer money is seldomly ever used to support an athletic program. Programs are almost exclusively asked to be self-sufficient.
The University of Minnesota is in a completely separate university system as the rest of the MN schools, so there are really no tes between the schools or programs in that regard.