Hockey East Coach Power Rankings

[Fishhawk]

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Let me get this straight: getting draft picks is good. Being high in the standings is good. Parker has more draft picks than TIMMAY so he is better in that category. And Parker's team is higher in the standings so he is better in that category. But they're tied in the aggregate???? Dennehy, Umile, and Micheleto all have fewer picks than Jewwy and are lower in the standings, but beat him in the aggregate??? Do you realize that you are a complete, blithering idiot??

I'll explain it...real...slow...so you can understand it. My system is an attempt to reward coaches who accomplish the most (measured by place in standings) with the least talent (measured by lowest # of NHL draft picks). The HEA Coach of the year is often from a team that doesn't win a regular season or tournament championship but was recognized for getting the most out of what he had to work with. Recent examples are Bazin 2012 (finished 2cnd), Dennehy 2010 (finished 6th), Cronin 2009 (finished 2cnd) and Sneddon (finished 3rd) in 2008.

To those that say that the number of NHL draft picks on a roster is not a relevant measure of how much talent a team has I ask you when was the last time a HEA Player of the Year or Rookie of the Year was an undrafted player?

 

[Jon]

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I'm for any system that doesn't give Jerry York yet another trophy - even though he probably deserves it.

And if we're going to regurgitate the same anti-Belichick crying from 6 years ago, can I go back to complaining about Pooley and the Dump and Watch? Ooh, it makes me so angry!

 

[J.D.]

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Fishhawk, I understand what you're saying but your system shouldn't be a true power rankings of coaches. I don't know exactly what to call it, maybe someone else does.

Who does more with less just can't be the only factor IMO.

 

[J.D.]

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FWIW, the last four HE POTY and six of last seven were all undrafted, so, not a great example on your part.

The only POTY who was drafted in the past seven years was Kevin Regan. And even he was only a "lowly" 9th round pick.

 

[ScottK]

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To those that say that the number of NHL draft picks on a roster is not a relevant measure of how much talent a team has I ask you when was the last time a HEA Player of the Year or Rookie of the Year was an undrafted player?

2012 Hockey East Player of the Year Spencer Abbott was undrafted.
2011 Hockey East Player of the Year Paul Thompson was undrafted.
2010 Hockey East Player of the Year Bobby Butler was undrafted.
2011 Hockey East Rookie of the Year Stephane DaCosta was undrafted.
2009 Hockey East Player of the Year Brad Thiessen was undrafted.
2007 Hockey East Player of the Year John Curry was undrafted.
2007 Hockey East Rookie of the Year Teddy Purcell was undrafted.

So much for that argument.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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2012 Hockey East Player of the Year Spencer Abbott was undrafted.
2011 Hockey East Player of the Year Paul Thompson was undrafted.
2010 Hockey East Player of the Year Bobby Butler was undrafted.
2011 Hockey East Rookie of the Year Stephane DaCosta was undrafted.
2009 Hockey East Player of the Year Brad Thiessen was undrafted.
2007 Hockey East Player of the Year John Curry was undrafted.
2007 Hockey East Rookie of the Year Teddy Purcell was undrafted.

So much for that argument.

To add two more:
2006 HE POTY Chris Collins was undrafted.
2004 HE POTY Steve Saviano was undrafted.

General rule of thumb, NHL draft status and future performance means absolutely nothing to a player's college career.

 

[mookie1995]

2012 Hockey East Player of the Year Spencer Abbott was undrafted.
2011 Hockey East Player of the Year Paul Thompson was undrafted.
2010 Hockey East Player of the Year Bobby Butler was undrafted.
2011 Hockey East Rookie of the Year Stephane DaCosta was undrafted.
2009 Hockey East Player of the Year Brad Thiessen was undrafted.
2007 Hockey East Player of the Year John Curry was undrafted.
2007 Hockey East Rookie of the Year Teddy Purcell was undrafted.

So much for that argument.

So fisthawk is NOT a lawyer

 

[Fishhawk]

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I stand (or sit or maybe lie down half conscious is more accurate here) corrected. Just trying to find a way to quantify this instead of just spewing opinions. F' it, I think Bazin's the best.

 

[UncleRay]

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There, going with your gut is usually the best advice with something like this. Playing with numbers you don't understand and not explaining your rationale inevitably ends in confusion.

 

[mookie1995]

I'm for any system that doesn't give Jerry York yet another trophy - even though he probably deserves it.

And if we're going to regurgitate the same anti-Belichick crying from 6 years ago, can I go back to complaining about Pooley and the Dump and Watch? Ooh, it makes me so angry!

Where is my 2013/14 asst coach power ranking?!?

 

[mookie1995]

Mookie still a butt hurt steelers fan...say the name belichick and he loses it

Why is Mookie have a hurt butt? Stillers have won twice since patsies last won. Mookie can't even remember the last time the patsies won?!? Been oh so long ago...

 

[FiveHole12]

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F' it, I think Bazin's the best.

Personally, I don't think crossing the blue line and ripping a 30' shot, and then sending the rebound back to the blue line for another 30' shot, is a formula for long term success. Throw in a lack of team defense and I think success is less likely. But that's just me.

I'll take Jerry... the voters can have everyone else.

 

[all bear]

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Just 2 words

Tim May

 

[Jon]

Why is Mookie have a hurt butt? Stillers have won twice since patsies last won. Mookie can't even remember the last time the patsies won?!? Been oh so long ago...

Jon wants some of what mookie is having.

 

[Thiessen'sBetter]

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Here's another question: for your favorite team, would you rather have 5-10 years of Jerry York or 25-30 years of one of the younger coaches (Leaman/Bazin/Dennehy)?

 

[Onion Man]

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Here's another question: for your favorite team, would you rather have 5-10 years of Jerry York or 25-30 years of one of the younger coaches (Leaman/Bazin/Dennehy)?

York.

As promising as these young coaches seem, none have won anything or proven they can win consistently. Even Blaise MacDonald started hot in 2002 before he fizzled. You always go with the proven winner.

 

[mookie1995]

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Here's another question: for your favorite team, would you rather have 5-10 years of Jerry York or 25-30 years of one of the younger coaches (Leaman/Bazin/Dennehy)?

silly question. 5-10 years is long term. 25-30 will never happen again.

jerry has to be 50/50 to coach even 3 more season. he's just friggin' old (age is probably the only thing that can stop him )

 

[brassbonanza]

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2009 Hockey East Player of the Year Brad Thiessen was undrafted.

Let's also not forget the Hobey winner that year (and who should have won HE POY) was also undrafted.

 

[Thiessen'sBetter]

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Let's also not forget the Hobey winner that year (and who should have won HE POY) was also undrafted.

Don't you mean the HE POTY who should have been the Hobey winner?

Actually, if I had a vote for either I would have voted for Colin Wilson. He was the best player in college hockey that year. I would argue Thiessen was the most valuable, but Wilson was the best.

 

[Thiessen'sBetter]

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silly question. 5-10 years is long term. 25-30 will never happen again.

jerry has to be 50/50 to coach even 3 more season. he's just friggin' old (age is probably the only thing that can stop him )

Fair enough. The more I think about it I have to agree that its not a great question. You would always take York and then hope that when he retires the program is built up to the point that it can attract recruits on its recent results, not just the coach.