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Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
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Thiessen'sBetter
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Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
Not making the HE playoffs (probably) 2 years in a row doesn't really qualify as "pretty good". Still enough talent on those two squads to at least be in the top 8.
Not making the HE playoffs (probably) 2 years in a row doesn't really qualify as "pretty good". Still enough talent on those two squads to at least be in the top 8.
Jon
Say, this is nice.
Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
In my defense, I'm not sure it takes much these days... if I ever feel bad after PC blows yet another late game lead, I just go to the Maine thread. Sigh.
Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
Given who started it, I think it more likely exists purely for the mockery of the NU administration.
And while I'm here... given that he will (presumably) be coming with ND to Hockey East next year, where would you slot Jeff Jackson into this group? Personally, I'd lean toward #2 behind York based on his overall body of work, but recent struggles coaching more talented players might lead me to bump him down a spot or three.
Given who started it, I think it more likely exists purely for the mockery of the NU administration.
And while I'm here... given that he will (presumably) be coming with ND to Hockey East next year, where would you slot Jeff Jackson into this group? Personally, I'd lean toward #2 behind York based on his overall body of work, but recent struggles coaching more talented players might lead me to bump him down a spot or three.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
we sit back and hope the team does ok despite Timmay while at the same time hope they suck so much the AD has to pull the trigger. Its a conundrum.
I think at this point most Maine fans have come to the realization that as long as Timmay is coach Maine will suck. Their isn't a thing we can really do about it unless one of us has mega bucks to influence the AD. So, given that we are all paupers
we sit back and hope the team does ok despite Timmay while at the same time hope they suck so much the AD has to pull the trigger. Its a conundrum.Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
Suck one weekend, okay or surprising the next. Actually, suck most weekends then react to the outrage and put in a decent performance. Its not the suck or the surprise, its the gd inconsistency of it all. Please suck consistently so we can dump you Timmay.
I think at this point most Maine fans have come to the realization that as long as Timmay is coach Maine will suck. Their isn't a thing we can really do about it unless one of us has mega bucks to influence the AD. So, given that we are all paupers
Suck one weekend, okay or surprising the next. Actually, suck most weekends then react to the outrage and put in a decent performance. Its not the suck or the surprise, its the gd inconsistency of it all. Please suck consistently so we can dump you Timmay.
hockeyjunkie10
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Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
There is very little correlation between being an NHL draft pick and being a great college hockey player, so this measure is flawed. Being a good coach involves many different factors. From a fan's perspective, obviously we focus on the W/L statistics, but the recruiting (most of which is done by assistants), skill development, motivation and system implementation aspects are equally important measures in being a good coach. That said, here's what I came up with...
1. Jerry York
2. Norm Bazin
3. Nate Leaman
4. Mark Dennehy
5. Jack Parker
6. Dick Umile
7. Kevin Sneddon
8. Tim Whitehead
9. John Micheletto
10. Jim Madigan
I think 7-9 are flip of a coin, and it's tough to judge Micheletto given the relatively small sample size. Also, I think Norm Bazin could be the best coach in college hockey, but Jerry's body of work is unparalleled and therefore he is unquestionably deserving of the top spot in any "Best Coach" rankings.
There is very little correlation between being an NHL draft pick and being a great college hockey player, so this measure is flawed. Being a good coach involves many different factors. From a fan's perspective, obviously we focus on the W/L statistics, but the recruiting (most of which is done by assistants), skill development, motivation and system implementation aspects are equally important measures in being a good coach. That said, here's what I came up with...
1. Jerry York
2. Norm Bazin
3. Nate Leaman
4. Mark Dennehy
5. Jack Parker
6. Dick Umile
7. Kevin Sneddon
8. Tim Whitehead
9. John Micheletto
10. Jim Madigan
I think 7-9 are flip of a coin, and it's tough to judge Micheletto given the relatively small sample size. Also, I think Norm Bazin could be the best coach in college hockey, but Jerry's body of work is unparalleled and therefore he is unquestionably deserving of the top spot in any "Best Coach" rankings.
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Sure, but when Jerry loses the most games of any coach in history, does he then become the worst coach of all time? Or will he wimp out and retire before he breaks that record?
Sure, but when Jerry loses the most games of any coach in history, does he then become the worst coach of all time? Or will he wimp out and retire before he breaks that record?
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I'd be curious as to what you've seen that makes you think so highly of Bazin? I'm not complaining, just curious.
SteveF
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I understand I guess I meant in comparison to typical Nu hockey under Cronin and crowder
hockeyjunkie10
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Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
From my perspective there are two ways to have a team that wins- one is through recruiting, the other is to win through a combination of the right systems, placing players in the right roles, and motivating them to play to their potential. The second way, if you will, is really what "coaching" is - you take what you have and you maximize the sum of your parts. There are a lot of guys who are good at one of the two (great coaches who can't recruit, or great recruiters who can't coach). Only the truly exceptional coach is both (see: Bill Belichick).
Norm spent the first 15 or so years of his coaching career developing a reputation as a great recruiter, particularly at Colorado College. All of the guys that have come out of the "Mark Taylor Coaching Tree" are great recruiters, and Bazin might be the best of them all. As a head coach, he took Hamilton from last place in the NESCAC to 1st place in just two years. Last year, he took UML from near the bottom of HEA, to the cusp of the Frozen Four, with players that he didn't recruit. Last year's UML team was incredibly in sync, particularly down the stretch. Their synergy, particularly in defensive zone coverage and on the forecheck was incredible to watch. That starts with the coach.
At the end of the day, from my perspective, most guys are "Head Coaches", but Bazin is the CEO of Lowell Hockey. He just has a different approach. His professionalism, attention to detail, thoughtfulness about every decision he makes, coupled with his aforementioned ability to recruit (obviously Lammers is a big part of this, as well) are why I think so highly of him. No more or no less...
From my perspective there are two ways to have a team that wins- one is through recruiting, the other is to win through a combination of the right systems, placing players in the right roles, and motivating them to play to their potential. The second way, if you will, is really what "coaching" is - you take what you have and you maximize the sum of your parts. There are a lot of guys who are good at one of the two (great coaches who can't recruit, or great recruiters who can't coach). Only the truly exceptional coach is both (see: Bill Belichick).
Norm spent the first 15 or so years of his coaching career developing a reputation as a great recruiter, particularly at Colorado College. All of the guys that have come out of the "Mark Taylor Coaching Tree" are great recruiters, and Bazin might be the best of them all. As a head coach, he took Hamilton from last place in the NESCAC to 1st place in just two years. Last year, he took UML from near the bottom of HEA, to the cusp of the Frozen Four, with players that he didn't recruit. Last year's UML team was incredibly in sync, particularly down the stretch. Their synergy, particularly in defensive zone coverage and on the forecheck was incredible to watch. That starts with the coach.
At the end of the day, from my perspective, most guys are "Head Coaches", but Bazin is the CEO of Lowell Hockey. He just has a different approach. His professionalism, attention to detail, thoughtfulness about every decision he makes, coupled with his aforementioned ability to recruit (obviously Lammers is a big part of this, as well) are why I think so highly of him. No more or no less...
northeastern
Registered User
..what a great post for people who 'get it'.
Sure wish Peter Roby (NU AD) & rest of the Athletic admin.. had done their homework. Thnks for posting.
UncleRay
M-A-I-N-E, GooOOO, Blue!
Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
Let me get this straight: getting draft picks is good. Being high in the standings is good. Parker has more draft picks than TIMMAY so he is better in that category. And Parker's team is higher in the standings so he is better in that category. But they're tied in the aggregate???? Dennehy, Umile, and Micheleto all have fewer picks than Jewwy and are lower in the standings, but beat him in the aggregate??? Do you realize that you are a complete, blithering idiot??
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
I missed something. Which of these 'both' scenarios was illegally videotaping & sign stealing?!?
Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
Great post, well thought out. Thank you...
Thiessen'sBetter
Well-known member
Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
I hesitate to give an opinion on this because I like to see a coach's team a couple times in person and witness small adjustments or line-up changes you might not notice on TV. I have a very high opinion of JJ though, and I definitely think he's in that 2-4 range.
I hesitate to give an opinion on this because I like to see a coach's team a couple times in person and witness small adjustments or line-up changes you might not notice on TV. I have a very high opinion of JJ though, and I definitely think he's in that 2-4 range.
Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
To answer this, I thought about what I would think if I heard UMass traded head coaches with a random team in Hockey East. To break the ties within the subgroups, I thought of who I would pick if it was a fantasy coach draft and I have to start a program
Schools I'd trade head coaches with in a heart beat:
BC, Merrimack, UNH
Schools I'm pretty sure I'd trade with but the body of work is too small to judge:
UML, PC
Schools I'm not sure about:
Vermont
Schools I would not want to trade with:
NU, Maine
Schools I'd immediately fire the head coach if I were forced to trade with:
Boston University
1) Dennehy (younger than York, and therefore I think would be around longer)
2) York
3) Umile
4) Bazin
5) Leaman
6) Sneddon
7) TOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! um... I mean Micheletto.
8) Magidan
9) Whitehead
10) Parker
To answer this, I thought about what I would think if I heard UMass traded head coaches with a random team in Hockey East. To break the ties within the subgroups, I thought of who I would pick if it was a fantasy coach draft and I have to start a program
Schools I'd trade head coaches with in a heart beat:
BC, Merrimack, UNH
Schools I'm pretty sure I'd trade with but the body of work is too small to judge:
UML, PC
Schools I'm not sure about:
Vermont
Schools I would not want to trade with:
NU, Maine
Schools I'd immediately fire the head coach if I were forced to trade with:
Boston University
1) Dennehy (younger than York, and therefore I think would be around longer)
2) York
3) Umile
4) Bazin
5) Leaman
6) Sneddon
7) TOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! um... I mean Micheletto.
8) Magidan
9) Whitehead
10) Parker
sterlippo1
Well-known member
Re: Hockey East Coach Power Rankings
seriously, I'm sick of all the worshiping of that cheating sore loser. He isnt even better than Tom Coughlin, obviously
seriously, I'm sick of all the worshiping of that cheating sore loser. He isnt even better than Tom Coughlin, obviously