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Hockey East 2020-2021

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I thought the mask thing was already answered somewhere. Hockey East left it up to individual schools. And I am sorry but the idea of skating up and down the ice with a mask over your mouth and nose is absurd to me. We already know you want the season canceled zlax even though you refuse to say it but they are not wearing masks in college football or basketball. Why should hockey be different in that regard? As far as I know there hasn't been any indication in college football that it is spreading via on field transmission between teams. Unless you think it's some big cover up. Spare me the nonsense about BC not taking the virus seriously because they didn't wear masks while playing the actual game. You can f right off with that.

There are CDC reports that Ice Hockey spread has been documented

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6941a4.htm


They wore them at PC (was it a facility rule? UConn women also wore them at PC) but have not at the other three games.

Would be nice to see Metcalf make a statement instead of being in his cocoon.
 
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I will not try to refute all your upcoming comments simply because I don't have time not because I can't. I am too busy working during this crisis and am often going to sleep by 7pm. However here you are comparing apples and oranges between countries. The United States is a highly mobile country and with densely populated centers much more so than Austrailia and Canada you try to compare us to. South Korea and Taiwan border on China and needed to insulate themselves from the threat that originated from nearby China. The 1% you talk about is now mostly from Amazon, Facebook, and the Silicon Valley billionaires, hardly friends of Trump. That liberal talking point is fast becoming old. Your past votes do not portray your current agenda which is clearly in line with the hate cult that the Democratic Party has become. I am not a Republican either but I do know more about Communism than 99% do. The agendas going through our education system have poisoned most of our youth and likely will lead us somewhat in that direction. It will takes years if not centuries to correct those mistakes. Covid has been a great cover for it too. With all the experts weighing in on what should be done they have failed to enforce the simplest and most effective way to control the spread and that is not mask wearing and social distancing but rather making sure anyone sick is isolated and kept from going out to shop or work. Employers should be encouraging sick calls instead of trying to keep their offices fully staffed. The mask wearing while a good idea is no defense against a true carrier of Covid. Most times there are outbreaks it is because of a single sick person in a crowd of people. You don't need an expert to tell you that.


Wow, lot's to respond to....I guess I'll just take'em in chronological order... :)

BC/HE...first, you're flat out wrong that mask wearing by 95 plus percent of the population, combined with proper social distancing, is THE most effective way to limit the spread prior to a vaccine. Even Trump's own experts are saying that. Still, you then said, "With all the experts weighing in on what should be done they have failed to enforce the simplest and most effective way to control the spread and that is not mask wearing and social distancing but rather making sure anyone sick is isolated and kept from going out to shop or work."

This seems to indicate that you lay the majority of the blame on the science/medical experts for not somehow "forcing" people with symptoms to stay home if they home". Not sure how the scientists/experts are supposed to do that since they're not responsible for passing laws or issuing emergency orders. Also, with 40% being asymptomatic, how do you propose making those folks stay home when they aren't showing symptoms and, there aren't enough tests or, it takes 4-7 days to get results even if they do get tested because they think they may have been exposed?

As for my past votes indicating where my current political beliefs and opinions stand, my point in listing who I'd voted for nationally prior to 2020, was simply to point out that for the vast majority of my adult life, I had essentially been a dyed in the wool Republican. However, when the electorate of this country somehow elected Trump, along with the developing cult following for him despite his obvious lack of ability and character for the job, my eyes became opened to new and better information.

The problem "you guys" have with the Cafe is your positions lack any legitimate credibility and actual proof that your beliefs stand up to any sort of evaluation. Thus, you slide over there every once in awhile to lob a lure in the water to see if anyone bites but, the moment they do your trolling attempt gets shot down so quickly that you turn tail and run. For instance, I challenged Chuck on how he talks out of both sides of his mouth in regards to saying stay at home orders are bad because of the unintended consequences but, when I argue we might need to pause sports for awhile for the betterment of our overall society, he responds by saying the "rest of us" shouldn't have to suffer so, just keep all of the elderly and infirmed locked up in their places of living until we have a vaccine. Notice how he never addressed that specific point? Why? Because he knows he can't. So, he simply pretends it was never brought up and goes straight to an ad hominem attack. Notice also how I never do that. I'll debate you with facts and experience till the cows come home but, I won't personally attack you unless you do it to me first and, usually multiple times.

Finally, I agree with you about employers allowing paid sick leave for Covid. That would definitely help. However, you're simply not correct about the effectiveness regarding mask use. If worn properly, even in the presence of someone shedding virus, there's a very good chance you won't catch it.
 
Let me first say that I’m not even going to touch the COVID components of this, because the dialogue across the entire Forum, primarily in the Café, has been atrocious on all sides. So setting that aside...

(by the way, BC/HE began to touch on this and just beat me to it, but I’ll continue...)

Are you REALLY suggesting that 47% of the country, (the majority of whom folks in the Cafe consider dirt-poor, flyover-country toothless morons) are voting to ensure that people with personal net worths of ~$30M+ continue to get wealthier? Is that REALLY what you are saying? The same 1% that is probably 25-33% Democrat, including the likes of Soros and many Silicon Valley types? Is that seriously your contention?

(disclosure - I’m not a republican by any stretch)


wildcat....YES....I'm ABSOLUTELY saying that the vast majority of those 47% are voting for Trump even though the policies of the Republican Party don't do a damn thing to make their lives better. Jesus "wild", Google what the average education and economic level is for the majority of his base is. The 2017 tax cuts almost all went to the top 5% and corporations. The Republicans are trying to kill Obamacare without anything to replace it and a large percentage of those voters use Obamacare. The Senate Republicans don't want to pass a legitimate second stimulus bill (although I will say Pelosi is being too stubborn about reimbursing states and cities right now. She should wait until after Biden is in to go after that.
 
Let me first say that I’m not even going to touch the COVID components of this, because the dialogue across the entire Forum, primarily in the Café, has been atrocious on all sides. So setting that aside...

(by the way, BC/HE began to touch on this and just beat me to it, but I’ll continue...)

Are you REALLY suggesting that 47% of the country, (the majority of whom folks in the Cafe consider dirt-poor, flyover-country toothless morons) are voting to ensure that people with personal net worths of ~$30M+ continue to get wealthier? Is that REALLY what you are saying? The same 1% that is probably 25-33% Democrat, including the likes of Soros and many Silicon Valley types? Is that seriously your contention?

(disclosure - I’m not a republican by any stretch)

Also, why is it that everyone on here that spouts Republican/Fox Opinion host talking points always says they "aren't Republicans"? Seems odd to me. Why are you embarrassed to just own it? I own my newfound liberalism...
 
No. We will be scolded for even talking about college hockey during a PANDEMIC (have you heard that we are in one?). We can only talk about how people have DIED from COVID.

No, we can and do talk about actual hockey. However, when people like J.D. and others write posts that accuse individual schools or even conferences of basically being "afraid" to play in relation to Covid, what do expect those of us who think it actually is a big deal to do? Not respond? Obviously, when we do we're going to present evidence why J.D.'s comment isn't accurate. Especially when many of us have already lost close friends or loved ones. And, since the right chose to politicize the virus back in early April, there isn't any way for any conversation/ debate about the virus and how it relates to the playing (or not) of sports to not get political fairly quickly. For Christ's sake, quit being such a bunch of snowflakes....
 
I thought the mask thing was already answered somewhere. Hockey East left it up to individual schools. And I am sorry but the idea of skating up and down the ice with a mask over your mouth and nose is absurd to me. We already know you want the season canceled zlax even though you refuse to say it but they are not wearing masks in college football or basketball. Why should hockey be different in that regard? As far as I know there hasn't been any indication in college football that it is spreading via on field transmission between teams. Unless you think it's some big cover up. Spare me the nonsense about BC not taking the virus seriously because they didn't wear masks while playing the actual game. You can f right off with that.


Vast majority of football is obviously played outside. It's the same logic why thousands of people protesting outside didn't set off major spikes in infections. Hockey is now considered THE most challenging sport to play in regards to Covid from the standpoint of how many direct infections are tied to on-ice player involvement, especially on or near the benches. Again, this all sciencey stuff so people like J.D. and Split and Chuck wouldn't understand it.
 
Why specifically did I lose you at UBI? Most of the other industrialized democracies are doing it to a certain degree. Again, is Mark Cuban a socialist?

From World Population Review 2020: "There are currently no countries that have a universal basic income model in place. There are many debates, movements, and discussion for them around the world, and even some experiments..."

I'll agree that there are a number of ongoing experiments, pilot projects, etc., but to state that, "Most of the other industrialized democracies are doing it to a certain degree" is quite a reach. And I don't consider China and Iran to be "industrialized democracies." (China has the "industrialized" part down but fails miserably at democracy.)

Mark Cuban is a man I admire and respect but not all of his opinions and positions align with mine. That doesn't affect my opinion of him or mean I'm going to stick pins in his likenesses. It used to be that people could agree to disagree, move on, and still be friends.
 
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Numbnuts, i believe in science. I believe brassbonanza alluded to this in response to the person who has written numerous letters to get everything shutdown but again we are talking about college hockey here where players are being regularly tested.

We're not talking about little Johnny at the local rink where nobody is being tested in order to play etc. Not that I support shutting down youth hockey either but there is a clear difference between than and trying to proceed with college hockey. But I get it, you and zlax don't want anything involving human interaction to take place right now.
 
No, we can and do talk about actual hockey. However, when people like J.D. and others write posts that accuse individual schools or even conferences of basically being "afraid" to play in relation to Covid, what do expect those of us who think it actually is a big deal to do? Not respond? Obviously, when we do we're going to present evidence why J.D.'s comment isn't accurate. Especially when many of us have already lost close friends or loved ones. And, since the right chose to politicize the virus back in early April, there isn't any way for any conversation/ debate about the virus and how it relates to the playing (or not) of sports to not get political fairly quickly. For Christ's sake, quit being such a bunch of snowflakes....

What have I said that isn't accurate? I am not regurgitating falsehoods about COVID.
 
For college players to be regularly tested and then once cleared to play you make em wear a mask while skating up and down the ice? Yes I think that is stupid. If you wanna make youth players do that just so they can play, so be it i guess.
 
There is a whole lot of stupid on this thread especially from the "muh science" people. Of course, I'm not surprised.

You want to see stupid up-close-and-personal? Check out the Faculty Lounge a/k/a USCHO Cafe.

Numbnuts is the mutant radicalized offspring of the Stalinist socialist "thinking" going on over there.

He's stuck so far up his own rectum that he's gonna need the Jaws of Life to pull him out ...
 
Also, why is it that everyone on here that spouts Republican/Fox Opinion host talking points always says they "aren't Republicans"? Seems odd to me. Why are you embarrassed to just own it? I own my newfound liberalism...

Wow, for a bright guy, you debate like a junior high-schooler....

For the record, I have not voted for an R since GHWB in ‘92. I am a libertarian in the most objectivist way one could be. Have been for 25 years. And, I don’t watch Fox. But, as J.D. says, whenever your ilk are called out, we are called racists or accused of using Fox talking points. No. I was responding to the following direct quote from you:

“However, after the last four years, I acknowledge that I now view the Republican Party as a legitimate cult who only care about protecting the 1%'s ability to maximize their already bloated wealth.”

Do you understand how dumb and sensationalist that SINGLE quote makes you look? And when you got called out for this slice of idiocy, you ran to Obamacare and Pelosi and stimulus and and and...

I’m done with this conversation, and apologize to Split-N. Looking forward to HEA discussion on this thread.
 
I never meant to get political. I even said I think Trump is a moron. But when it turns into being called selfish for being ok with college athletes being routinely tested and playing games in empty arenas, ya that sets me off.
 
You want to see stupid up-close-and-personal? Check out the Faculty Lounge a/k/a USCHO Cafe.

Numbnuts is the mutant radicalized offspring of the Stalinist socialist "thinking" going on over there.

He's stuck so far up his own rectum that he's gonna need the Jaws of Life to pull him out ...


is that the place where the guy has leveraged all his giant learnings from his (sort of) Ivy League education to launch 80K (wait, let me spell that out....) EIGHTY THOUSAND (80,000) posts over that past couple decades?? Asking for a friend...
 
You want to see stupid up-close-and-personal? Check out the Faculty Lounge a/k/a USCHO Cafe.

Numbnuts is the mutant radicalized offspring of the Stalinist socialist "thinking" going on over there.

I do browse the political threads from time to time. Quite the bunch of incels over there. We should just be glad many of them will never reproduce.

Again, I'm not surprised. The dopes on the board have been dopes from Day 1 and I could have picked them out in advance for posting what they do in the pol. threads in the cafe.
 
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