Hockey East 2020-2021

[The Zlax45]

Zlax I really can't handle your stupidity for much longer. Is it intentional? Are you just trying to get a reaction? In almost all the years you just researched BC played games during the WJC. If you went back even further it's a routine occurrence. BC almost always plays games during the WJC. A lot of times it has been a tournament that York went out of his way to be in knowing full well they would be without a player or two.

I just showed you the last three seasons they did not play in a tournament during Juniors. Routinely means it happens every year.

 

[The Zlax45]

Dallas Stars are now shutdown due to COVID

https://twitter.com/PR_NHL/status/1347601895624495104

 

[J.D.]

Lol. Ok, sorry. That game against Notre Dame was not a "tournament" game but was still a non conference game. Wow, what a difference. I think you should take a look at David Quinn's holiday scheduling philosophy and then get back to me.

 

[The Zlax45]

Easier to isolate? Sure. But there's still only one (1) HEA team that hasn't played a game so far, and everyone else (even the other urban school) seems to have come to grips with this, and soldiered on. If I were a BU fan - and in the past, I was a fan of the program, at least back in the Parker and pre-Parker eras, my "second team" to UNH - I would be a little ticked off and asking some tough questions. Yet all I see on here from BU fans is a bunch of apologists making excuses for the program's laissez-faire approach to the '20/'21 HEA season.

I can absolutely believe the BU administration has the final call on this, and with HEA's "approach" (and I use that term very loosely and sarcastically) I'm sure that stands for each and every other HEA school/program. But again ... when everyone is trying to play, and one (1) team hasn't managed to pull it off after two months into the season, is it just "bad luck" or is it something else? You'd have to be extremely naive or gullible to think it's just down to "bad luck" at this point.

If this happened ten years ago, do you guys seriously think Coach Parker would be sitting this out, or not bucking admin on a daily basis to let his guys play as much as possible ... AND getting his way? Difference between him and Albie is, Parker had clout, earned it and used it. Albie has no clout, and thus has to submit to the whims of the admin. I'm almost tempted to feel badly for him, but who I really feel badly for is his players, who were possibly lied to in order to prevent transfers.

I'm not sure what thread it's on or where, but I posted a contest a couple of months ago asking folks to predict which team would be the last to play an actual game this year. There were pretty much two informed answers: UVM and BU (and my choice was BU). So it's not like this was an unforeseeable, surprise development. This is what BU has become, sadly ...

Since BU Athletics has played a GRAND total of two home games which both came this week (MBB and WBB), it is the standard of the school.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Carvel never specifically called out BU. He said there were teams those didn't have the virus and chose not to play.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which team hasn't reported any positive tests but also hasn't played in almost a month. Also doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they didn't play.

Yes, of course, Jerry York is afraid of playing the iron of Hockey East in late December/early January. Always been that way. It's the only way he's managed to amass those five (5) D-1 National titles there and at BG. Good point (not) rocket scientist.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Since BU Athletics has played a GRAND total of two home games which both came this week (MBB and WBB), it is the standard of the school.

Never said it wasn't. Fact of the matter is, Coach Parker would never have stood for it, AND there's no way the admins would have dared push back on him.

Albie isn't going to be confused for Parker anytime soon ...

 

[jjmc85]

Ok. Enlighten me then. Every team besides BU has played since BC last played. Many of those games-if not all- were not originally scheduled. But somehow, the rest of those teams managed to get games and play.

What was the reason BC took those days off? If it wasn’t covid and it wasn’t because of missing players at the world juniors, what was it?

 

[The Zlax45]

Ok. Enlighten me then. Every team besides BU has played since BC last played. Many of those games-if not all- were not originally scheduled. But somehow, the rest of those teams managed to get games and play.

What was the reason BC took those days off? If it wasn’t covid and it wasn’t because of missing players at the world juniors, what was it?

I would like this answer too

 

[J.D.]

Ok. Enlighten me then. Every team besides BU has played since BC last played. Many of those games-if not all- were not originally scheduled. But somehow, the rest of those teams managed to get games and play.

What was the reason BC took those days off? If it wasn’t covid and it wasn’t because of missing players at the world juniors, what was it?

Who are you asking? You should contact Hockey East. But don't spin Carvel's comments into something they weren't. He was not talking about BC. He was talking about BU.

 

[J.D.]

But this narrative that Zlax wants you to believe that BC avoids playing during the WJC is absurd and proven false if you look at schedules over the last 20 years (I will wait for the Zlax report).

 

[jjmc85]

Carvel said “Other schools decided not to play. It wasn’t that they got the virus, they just decided not to play.”

I’m under the impression BU got the virus. Am I wrong? If not, who decided not to play even thought they didn’t have the virus?

 

[J.D.]

How did BC "decide" not to play? If you want to dig into that, go for it. Here is the link where Carvel specifically talks about BU:

https://twitter.com/gregdcam/status/1346533177758601216?s=19

 

[J.D.]

As far as I know BU has had one positive test and none for players (although that distinction might not have been made). Providence had some COVID issues but they have still proceeded. He was talking about BU.

 

[Chuck Murray]

It so happens the WJC takes place annually at a time when the NCAA D-1 schedule is pretty thin, due to the schools' Winter Break. To try to spin that into BC taking advantage to avoid games while some of their best players are at the WJC is creative, but really nothing else. I think Carvel's comments are pretty clearly targeted, and it's towards the lower end of Comm Ave.

I do wish you guys would stop forcing me to defend BC, it's doing my head in ...

 

[Split-N]

...I do wish you guys would stop forcing me to defend BC, it's doing my head in ...

Ditto!! (Makes me want to go to Confession.)

 

[jjmc85]

How did BC "decide" not to play? If you want to dig into that, go for it. Here is the link where Carvel specifically talks about BU:

https://twitter.com/gregdcam/status/1346533177758601216?s=19

Many of the Hockey East schools decided to schedule games since BC last played. Again most, if not all, of these games were not originally scheduled. I have degrees from two Hockey East schools: UMass and BC. One worked the phone lines and got games most weekends and some weekdays during the time period. If an opponent cancelled on them, they found another opponent.

The second school I have a degree from did not play any games, nor did they schedule games that were cancelled due to the virus that I recall anyway. If I am wrong and they did schedule games that were cancelled on them, let me know. If I am not wrong, then there are two possible options that I see.

1) BC wanted to play games but no one else would play them and/or the conference wouldn’t let them play.
2) BC did not want to play games during this time period.

I am open to a third option if I am overlooking it.

I doubt highly 1) is the case. For other teams, UMass wants to play so badly every weekend that they asked the league permission in early December to play OoC. It doesn’t make logical sense to me that UMass would be ducking BC right now to try to play Quinnipiac. If there is evidence to the contrary, I am open to hearing it.

It also doesn’t make sense to me that UConn or UML or NU or PC or UVM or really any team in the conference would be ducking BC at this time period. Why would they? Are they too afraid to play BC without three of their best players? Seems like BC probably could have gotten a game
scheduled with whoever they wanted during this time period.

Also doesn’t make sense to me that the conference wouldn’t let them play during this tome
period. BC is one of, if not the “flagship” programs
of the conference. Why wouldn’t hockey East want them playing televised games on NESN as often as possible? Is the idea that there’s some weird conspiracy where the new commish is so incompetent he’s trying to prevent one of his best programs from playing?

again, I am open to other explanations, but of the ones I can think of, the only one that makes sense is that BC chose not to play. And if they chose not to play, the question becomes why? And unless I’m missing something, the only reasons I can think why BC chose not to play is because of covid or else because of the world juniors.

I suppose other reasons are possible. I could speculate, but I’d have no evidence to back it up. If you know why they didn’t play, please enlighten me. Based on the evidence I have, the only thing I can think of that fits is they chose not to.

Mind you, I’m not saying I disagree with their decision. I am saying that when I read that Carvel quote, BC came to mind as one of the schools
that chose not to play.

 

[Chuck Murray]

IIRC the BC football team opted to bypass participation in a bowl game in order to spend time with their families at home during the Winter Break.

Maybe Coach York wanted to do the same for his players and their families?

Coach Carvel and his program are at a different place in their existences than Coach York and BC.

One guy and his program are still trying to establish themselves as elite, playing suits that goal.

The other guy and his program don't need to prove anything to anyone at this point ...

 

[J.D.]

This has gotten ridiculous. Carvel clearly talking about BU (he MENTIONED BU) yet this has turned into a referendum on BC and why they haven't played in a few weeks when they weren't scheduled to play and nothing has been reported about BC turning down games after being approached by the league or other teams. So if you want to start an inquest, start with Hockey East. Considering they are absolutely clueless, I doubt you will get very far.

 

[jjmc85]

Chuck, the Christmas thing crossed my mind. If true it means BC chose not to play.

J.D., the quote talks about schools plural. If BU is one of them, there’s still at least one more.

 

[J.D.]

If? He was directly quoted as saying BU. BC didn't have any games scheduled that they decided not to play. If you're saying individual schools are in charge of reaching out and scheduling these on the fly games, that just adds to the point that Hockey East has no clue what they are doing. If Hockey East wanted BC to play additional games and BC declined i would think that would get out. That hasn't been reported.